And unlike many people, to believe in something, I would need some sort of proof or sign, no matter how small, of it's existence. I'll disprove God for you right now:

What is the universe made of? Matter, energy and space. Who created these ingredients? They came from the spontaneous "Big Bang." Now, this is the moment that many people say God created everything. However, this is not the case. Space and energy materialized out of nothingness through negative energy, which is like the space left when soil is dug out of a hole. The negative energy is the empty space; the discarded soil is mass and energy.

Stephen Hawking says if the universe adds up to nothing, like the hole in my example, you don't need a God to create nothing.

The Big Bang -- something being created out of nothing -- is explained through quantum mechanics. The universe was once smaller than a proton, and could simply have popped into existence. T

he final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer is the beginning of time. And where did time begin? The Big Bang. Since time began with the Big Bang, there was no previous moment in time for any God to create the Big Bang.

I used to be religious such as yourself in my youth and all throughout high school. College, however, has opened my eyes. Read up on how our planet was created, how the first life began on our planet, evolution etc etc. I am not trying to be a proud dick... I am honestly just trying to educate/enlighten you. If you disregard all of this, that's fine, but then don't question me in my beliefs that the Universe was created when a time-dodging unicorn was punched by a holy mandingo and took a crap so huge that the universe was what resulted.

If you were trying to educate and enlighten me, you would have bothered to do so instead of trying to call me stupid first. I still don't discount God, and I already knew and fully accepted everything you just said.

I don't see anything in that entire paragraph disproving God, because I don't have a defined idea of what proves him to begin with. Disproving any of man's interpretations of proof of God doesn't sway me because I do not believe that any amount of study or logical assumption on the part of man could ever come so much as within ten degrees of absolute zero of what's potentially proof of God. With no reference point of proof, you can't disprove either. I don't need to be told whether or not God exists, I'm not interested in that. I've come to terms with every possibility, and I still will believe in God, whatever end I may meet.

I'm not "proud," I just wish to pass my knowledge on to others that for whatever reason are blinded.
Belief in a god goes back to times when people didn't understand what many things were/how many things worked. When winter came and the crops no longer grew, some sort of sacrifice would have been made to the sun, and then it came back and the crops grew. The people would have associated the sacrifice with the positive outcome, and they wouldn't have dared not do it again because they couldn't risk famine.

In time the sacrifice will have become more sophisticated, and perhaps the idea came about that the sun might be the gift of a god rather than the god itself. This might be a way, or similar to a way, that religion developed.

People would then have assumed that the laws that their ancestors devised came from the god, so the religion would have become even more sophisticated still, providing authority for the laws and fear of a vengeful god if laws were disobeyed, and the same fear would make others stone to death anyone who breached a law to avoid vengeance being visited on the whole community.

There are probably other elements, but it will have gone back to the dawn of civilisation.

And it's become institutionalised, and there are many religions, cults, sects and denominations (including "non-denominational", "not a religion but a personal relationship...", and many others). It's survived because it's become institutionalised, provides a living for some, and is deeply ingrained into traditions and into national, international or intra-national identities. It also helps the government control the masses; that it's still survived is both puzzling and fascinating.

Your first sentence discredits everything you have said/anything else you have to say. Good day sir.

His first sentence discredits nothing, it actually gives him a good amount of credibility because he's obviously willing to accept facts even if it goes against what he believes.

He is making the claim that a god exists... you are given the same leeway in these claims as pixies and unicorns, none.

Without proof the negative position is always the more reasonable. And in this case, there is tons of proof to reaffirm the negative side.

You are the type of person who really gives atheism a bad name, you should accept the fact that he believes in something (Assuming he does) and be happy that he is willing to accept facts to an extent and isn't shoving his beliefs down everyone's throat. You not accepting that is making you no better than the people you set out to destroy. An argument against atheism or against religion is stupid, you can't prove god doesn't exist and they can't prove he does, it ends with people just going back and forth not getting anywhere, which holds everyone back and not just religious zealots. It's religious zealots (I mean the really militant people, the following you down the street preaching people) and militant atheists (saying somebody is stupid for believing in something) like you that divide people and make the world a bad place. The problem isn't religion, it's people who divide each other based on anything, race, religion, size, weight, anything. In the end we are all humans and the only thing holding us back is us, not some book that was written 2000+ years ago, it only holds us back if everyone follows it unquestioningly, which most don't. Religion doesn't stop you from doing anything, you don't have to worry about being executed for refuting it anymore and that allows scientific advancement, which is good. Also, by denying entirely that god exists without proof that he doesn't is actually counter productive, you forgo any type of scientific method and stomp around saying you're right, prove to me that you're right: Prove to me that god doesn't exist. You can't? Then it doesn't mean he doesn't exist it means he PROBABLY doesn't exist, it means that we have no scientific proof one way or another. I don't believe in anything but you're worse than any religious zealot, at least they have the excuse that they were blinded by extreme faith growing up, but you? You're just an elitist dick.

He is free to believe whatever he wants in his life, as is anybody, and I respect that. But when a ridiculous claim is made, such as that a God exists, the burden of proof lies with the person who is making said claim.

There is more than enough proof that refutes the existence of God.

"He is free to believe whatever he wants in life" as long as you don't think it's wrong.
People need to start thinking more along the lines of "He is free to believe whatever he wants as long as he doesn't force it upon me". Saying he believes in god doesn't count as forcing it upon you.

Am I wrong in thinking that people like you behave this way exclusively because you enjoy making people like me look stupid? I can't think of any other reason why,other than pride thinking that believing one way is the only way, and that anyone who disagrees is inferior.

A better phrase would be that I don't want proof of God. I don't want faith out of obligation, and proof would give me that. I want the free will to choose him or not. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the glorious magnitude of his creation and every tiny particle that makes it function from start to finish.

What you just said to me now discredits anything you could have told me, you proud dick.

And unlike many people, to believe in something, I would need some sort of proof or sign, no matter how small, of it's existence. I'll disprove God for you right now:

What is the universe made of? Matter, energy and space. Who created these ingredients? They came from the spontaneous "Big Bang." Now, this is the moment that many people say God created everything. However, this is not the case. Space and energy materialized out of nothingness through negative energy, which is like the space left when soil is dug out of a hole. The negative energy is the empty space; the discarded soil is mass and energy.

Stephen Hawking says if the universe adds up to nothing, like the hole in my example, you don't need a God to create nothing.

The Big Bang -- something being created out of nothing -- is explained through quantum mechanics. The universe was once smaller than a proton, and could simply have popped into existence. T

he final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer is the beginning of time. And where did time begin? The Big Bang. Since time began with the Big Bang, there was no previous moment in time for any God to create the Big Bang.

I used to be religious such as yourself in my youth and all throughout high school. College, however, has opened my eyes. Read up on how our planet was created, how the first life began on our planet, evolution etc etc. I am not trying to be a proud dick... I am honestly just trying to educate/enlighten you. If you disregard all of this, that's fine, but then don't question me in my beliefs that the Universe was created when a time-dodging unicorn was punched by a holy mandingo and took a crap so huge that the universe was what resulted.

If you were trying to educate and enlighten me, you would have bothered to do so instead of trying to call me stupid first. I still don't discount God, and I already knew and fully accepted everything you just said.

I don't see anything in that entire paragraph disproving God, because I don't have a defined idea of what proves him to begin with. Disproving any of man's interpretations of proof of God doesn't sway me because I do not believe that any amount of study or logical assumption on the part of man could ever come so much as within ten degrees of absolute zero of what's potentially proof of God. With no reference point of proof, you can't disprove either. I don't need to be told whether or not God exists, I'm not interested in that. I've come to terms with every possibility, and I still will believe in God, whatever end I may meet.

I'm not "proud," I just wish to pass my knowledge on to others that for whatever reason are blinded.
Belief in a god goes back to times when people didn't understand what many things were/how many things worked. When winter came and the crops no longer grew, some sort of sacrifice would have been made to the sun, and then it came back and the crops grew. The people would have associated the sacrifice with the positive outcome, and they wouldn't have dared not do it again because they couldn't risk famine.

In time the sacrifice will have become more sophisticated, and perhaps the idea came about that the sun might be the gift of a god rather than the god itself. This might be a way, or similar to a way, that religion developed.

People would then have assumed that the laws that their ancestors devised came from the god, so the religion would have become even more sophisticated still, providing authority for the laws and fear of a vengeful god if laws were disobeyed, and the same fear would make others stone to death anyone who breached a law to avoid vengeance being visited on the whole community.

There are probably other elements, but it will have gone back to the dawn of civilisation.

And it's become institutionalised, and there are many religions, cults, sects and denominations (including "non-denominational", "not a religion but a personal relationship...", and many others). It's survived because it's become institutionalised, provides a living for some, and is deeply ingrained into traditions and into national, international or intra-national identities. It also helps the government control the masses; that it's still survived is both puzzling and fascinating.

good luck pointing out that sane rational people can have spiritual beliefs and not have it completely ruin and rule their lives. this site is mostly dominated by 14-20 year olds who take pride in their rabid and militant lack of beliefs and mistake nihilism for atheism. they're easy to spot because everything they say to attack a rational and calm religious person's beliefs could easily be said about their own. somehow they feel that, without any proof, their belief system is superior to yours and deny any other view points that threaten their religion of atheism. the difference between their "religion" and most other fundamentalists are that most standard fundemenalists demand that their followers wear funny head coverings of some type! :)

Lol yeah. They all got a damned hat.

Nope, but it does make you ignorant since you're answering questions mankind has yet to answer with "God." You have absolutely zero proof to back up the existence of a God.

* disprove or prove
*westboro is one word

I do not need to disprove the existance of God (even though modern science basically does just that). When a ridiculous claim is made, such as that a God exists, the burden of proof lies with the person who is making said claim.

There is more than enough proof that refutes the existence of God.

Dude, I already apologized and made terms with the guy, relax.

Perhaps God(s) created everything so that it would progress on its own? Perhaps he/she/it/them/etc. tossed a bunch of little rocks, light, and energy into the vast nothingness of the universe and marveled at how it expanded and evolved, the miracle of life taking place all around.

Perhaps on one lone rock, living organisms grew, and one of those species grew into intelligent machines. Maybe, just maybe, God(s) became a tool we used to try and help others grow old with a sense of morality and justice. But one day, we began to take advantage of such a belief, our own hubris dictating that we could justify murder, theft, and destruction when in the name of said God(s).

We are animals and, like every other animal, must kill, claim, and survive. However, we grew past those basic instincts and into intelligence. It gave us the ability to do more than survive - it allowed us to prosper. But with that, a darkness grew within our hearts. The evil of sin took hold, and we tried to deny and justify its existence within ourselves so that we could find a means of coping with our true, ugly selves. THAT'S why people think religion is "wrong", that the concept of a God is "wrong". But be honest - are you actually fighting to prove to the world that we can overcome the corruption of our own hearts if we put the effort into it; or are you feeding into the own anger of your soul because you can see it all for what it truly is, but wish you could share in that blind faith?

I grew up in a religious house. I believe in my personal idea of a God, but it differs from how others view God. I believe that everyone's God, gods, higher-power, or lack there of are real to each of them. Who cares - as long as they are productive and kind.

What you are referring to is deism, the belief that God exists but does not interact with Earth/lets everything play its course by itself. While also wrong, it's perhaps one of the most respectable types of religion. It's the only religion that really makes sense since all questions, other than how time began, have more or less been addressed by science.

As long as humans are emotional beings, you will find among us those who subscribe to comforting myths, particularly those which are conveniently unfalsifiable.

You believe in God based on his desirability, not his validity.

So who is to say it's wrong?
I can agree that I believe in God because the idea of having a grand figure regarding us at all moments is humbling, yes. I believe he left me to decide my fate, and that is motivation for me to do what's right because I feel that if I don't do the right thing, I will be disappointing him.

Now let's say that 80% of the people who believe in God do the same thing I do. They go about their daily lives, making small but helpful contributions to strangers, society, the less fortunate, etc. Why does someone feel the need to tell them their God is "wrong" or "fake" if that's what gets them through the day? It's relative to walking up to a stranger on the street and telling them that their life is nothing, they work towards nothing, and every action they do and word they say puts forth absolutely no contribution to society.

And yet people call us wrong?
I understand there are people out there who take it to the extreme. I know people who recruit people into our religion and then never speak to them again when they have converted, them believing that their job is done. There are people who believe in no God but don't disrespect those that do and keep their beliefs quietly to themselves.

But why do we have to be part of those stereotypes? Why can't we just say, "You know what, it may not make a difference as a whole, but I WON'T BE THAT PERSON. I don't have to be, and I don't WANT to be."

So long as they are a nice, progressive member of society, I agree. I just feel that there should not be people in the 21st century that still live their life by backwards teachings that are 2000+ years old and make absolutely no sense today.

I can respect that much, at least. Although I wouldn't necessarily call it backwards (still sounds a tad bit insulting), I know that a lot of people believe that religion could stand to be more modernized.

There's difficulty in that though because, when you look at the big picture, plenty of religions have already deviated quite a ways from their origin. Put a bit of research into it and you'll find that a lot of old techniques, practices, and beliefs have been altered or removed altogether. A lot have things have been added.

Religion is hardly outdated, though people haven't come to embrace the new generation's ideals of tolerance to the extent that some have. But that's a whole different bag. Maybe this conversation will have had some impact and you will at least consider making distasteful comments so quickly in the future.

We can agree to disagree. I honestly did not intend for my comments to be insulting, but if you viewed them that way, I apologize. I will try to change the way I approach people when I disagree with them, especially when it comes to religion. Have a good night, friend!

Someone's needed to say something like this for a long time:
1. Attempting to convert is fine; but don't force it. If they decline, be polite and continue on. Conversion isn't God's work - doing good is all it takes.
2. Don't discriminate peoples' beliefs. As long as they are a nice, progressive member of society, they're on the right path AS WELL AS their own path - give them props.

One day, we will overcome the idea that religion separates us as individuals. Let's move forward, accept that people are going to do what they think is right, and not try to force ourselves upon them. Don't be a douchebag who crams religion down someone's throat. Don't be that asshole who claims religion to be corrupt. Just find our own path and continue on.

Let's do what's right and just be happy, productive people. :)

I don't look for proof of God, I don't need any. I also don't accept the word "God" as the answer to all of science's or life's questions. If he made everything, there is nothing wrong with discovering exactly how or why, down to the last detail.

Your first sentence discredits everything you have said/anything else you have to say. Good day sir.

His first sentence discredits nothing, it actually gives him a good amount of credibility because he's obviously willing to accept facts even if it goes against what he believes.

He is making the claim that a god exists... you are given the same leeway in these claims as pixies and unicorns, none.

Without proof the negative position is always the more reasonable. And in this case, there is tons of proof to reaffirm the negative side.

You are the type of person who really gives atheism a bad name, you should accept the fact that he believes in something (Assuming he does) and be happy that he is willing to accept facts to an extent and isn't shoving his beliefs down everyone's throat. You not accepting that is making you no better than the people you set out to destroy. An argument against atheism or against religion is stupid, you can't prove god doesn't exist and they can't prove he does, it ends with people just going back and forth not getting anywhere, which holds everyone back and not just religious zealots. It's religious zealots (I mean the really militant people, the following you down the street preaching people) and militant atheists (saying somebody is stupid for believing in something) like you that divide people and make the world a bad place. The problem isn't religion, it's people who divide each other based on anything, race, religion, size, weight, anything. In the end we are all humans and the only thing holding us back is us, not some book that was written 2000+ years ago, it only holds us back if everyone follows it unquestioningly, which most don't. Religion doesn't stop you from doing anything, you don't have to worry about being executed for refuting it anymore and that allows scientific advancement, which is good. Also, by denying entirely that god exists without proof that he doesn't is actually counter productive, you forgo any type of scientific method and stomp around saying you're right, prove to me that you're right: Prove to me that god doesn't exist. You can't? Then it doesn't mean he doesn't exist it means he PROBABLY doesn't exist, it means that we have no scientific proof one way or another. I don't believe in anything but you're worse than any religious zealot, at least they have the excuse that they were blinded by extreme faith growing up, but you? You're just an elitist dick.

He is free to believe whatever he wants in his life, as is anybody, and I respect that. But when a ridiculous claim is made, such as that a God exists, the burden of proof lies with the person who is making said claim.

There is more than enough proof that refutes the existence of God.

"He is free to believe whatever he wants in life" as long as you don't think it's wrong.
People need to start thinking more along the lines of "He is free to believe whatever he wants as long as he doesn't force it upon me". Saying he believes in god doesn't count as forcing it upon you.

Am I wrong in thinking that people like you behave this way exclusively because you enjoy making people like me look stupid? I can't think of any other reason why,other than pride thinking that believing one way is the only way, and that anyone who disagrees is inferior.

A better phrase would be that I don't want proof of God. I don't want faith out of obligation, and proof would give me that. I want the free will to choose him or not. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the glorious magnitude of his creation and every tiny particle that makes it function from start to finish.

What you just said to me now discredits anything you could have told me, you proud dick.

And unlike many people, to believe in something, I would need some sort of proof or sign, no matter how small, of it's existence. I'll disprove God for you right now:

What is the universe made of? Matter, energy and space. Who created these ingredients? They came from the spontaneous "Big Bang." Now, this is the moment that many people say God created everything. However, this is not the case. Space and energy materialized out of nothingness through negative energy, which is like the space left when soil is dug out of a hole. The negative energy is the empty space; the discarded soil is mass and energy.

Stephen Hawking says if the universe adds up to nothing, like the hole in my example, you don't need a God to create nothing.

The Big Bang -- something being created out of nothing -- is explained through quantum mechanics. The universe was once smaller than a proton, and could simply have popped into existence. T

he final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer is the beginning of time. And where did time begin? The Big Bang. Since time began with the Big Bang, there was no previous moment in time for any God to create the Big Bang.

I used to be religious such as yourself in my youth and all throughout high school. College, however, has opened my eyes. Read up on how our planet was created, how the first life began on our planet, evolution etc etc. I am not trying to be a proud dick... I am honestly just trying to educate/enlighten you. If you disregard all of this, that's fine, but then don't question me in my beliefs that the Universe was created when a time-dodging unicorn was punched by a holy mandingo and took a crap so huge that the universe was what resulted.

If you were trying to educate and enlighten me, you would have bothered to do so instead of trying to call me stupid first. I still don't discount God, and I already knew and fully accepted everything you just said.

I don't see anything in that entire paragraph disproving God, because I don't have a defined idea of what proves him to begin with. Disproving any of man's interpretations of proof of God doesn't sway me because I do not believe that any amount of study or logical assumption on the part of man could ever come so much as within ten degrees of absolute zero of what's potentially proof of God. With no reference point of proof, you can't disprove either. I don't need to be told whether or not God exists, I'm not interested in that. I've come to terms with every possibility, and I still will believe in God, whatever end I may meet.

I'm not "proud," I just wish to pass my knowledge on to others that for whatever reason are blinded.
Belief in a god goes back to times when people didn't understand what many things were/how many things worked. When winter came and the crops no longer grew, some sort of sacrifice would have been made to the sun, and then it came back and the crops grew. The people would have associated the sacrifice with the positive outcome, and they wouldn't have dared not do it again because they couldn't risk famine.

In time the sacrifice will have become more sophisticated, and perhaps the idea came about that the sun might be the gift of a god rather than the god itself. This might be a way, or similar to a way, that religion developed.

People would then have assumed that the laws that their ancestors devised came from the god, so the religion would have become even more sophisticated still, providing authority for the laws and fear of a vengeful god if laws were disobeyed, and the same fear would make others stone to death anyone who breached a law to avoid vengeance being visited on the whole community.

There are probably other elements, but it will have gone back to the dawn of civilisation.

And it's become institutionalised, and there are many religions, cults, sects and denominations (including "non-denominational", "not a religion but a personal relationship...", and many others). It's survived because it's become institutionalised, provides a living for some, and is deeply ingrained into traditions and into national, international or intra-national identities. It also helps the government control the masses; that it's still survived is both puzzling and fascinating.

love that song

expanded medicare
ended dont ask dont tell
ended the preexisting condition bullshit and expanded medicare (may not have been good for you but it was good for my family my mother hasnt had health insurance in 20 years)
improved foreign policy (burma is actually talking to us or are they called myanmar now?)
and the economy is in recovery (three typical indicators we use as toward the health of the economy are GDP growth unemployment and inflation rates all of which are in a better spot than they were before he started)

this isn't to say he is without his faults
allowing the massacre in syria for so long being the one off the top of my head
but to say he has done nothing is unfair and untrue

Problem with the Syrian conflict was China basically said to the US "Help them, and it's an act of war against us". Plus, I think Obama might be trying to break the cliché that America has of being the big bad world police. It's horrible that innocents are suffering, but you know... Your boys can't be everywhere at once.

Bro I didn't like Bush either. Frankly I haven't liked any of our recent presidents. Every single one of them have made stupid decisions that are not in my favor, but their own and big business and lobbyists.

Obama hasn't hardly done shit for me in his four years. Name ONE thing I should be glad about.

expanded medicare
ended dont ask dont tell
ended the preexisting condition bullshit and expanded medicare (may not have been good for you but it was good for my family my mother hasnt had health insurance in 20 years)
improved foreign policy (burma is actually talking to us or are they called myanmar now?)
and the economy is in recovery (three typical indicators we use as toward the health of the economy are GDP growth unemployment and inflation rates all of which are in a better spot than they were before he started)

this isn't to say he is without his faults
allowing the massacre in syria for so long being the one off the top of my head
but to say he has done nothing is unfair and untrue

Problem with the Syrian conflict was China basically said to the US "Help them, and it's an act of war against us". Plus, I think Obama might be trying to break the cliché that America has of being the big bad world police. It's horrible that innocents are suffering, but you know... Your boys can't be everywhere at once.

I mean, spend more money financing research to produce alternative energies, clean products, etc. Not throw money at problems.

EVERY PROBLEM CAN BE FIXED WITH GOVERNMENT SPENDING!

Lolol if anything, we need to STOP spending money. That would fix most of our problems.

Actually yes. The oil companies are what control the world. Not the government. The oil controls the government. And what are the oil companies doing? Spending money to stop environmentally healthy cars, and houses and stuff. Oil is the reason for all those problems you listed. And instead of just making their own energy (which the government is more than capable of doing) they spend how much money on oil? How much money on WAR for oil?

the oil companies are at fault for the entire world today pretty much. But there's nothing we can do to the oil companies because they're owned by single minded people, that don't need the consent of an entire county to do what ever the hell they want.

**Ninotori rolls 74** hell, i'll do it again for shits n giggles.

dont be.

i make my own cream.

I'm suddenly curious.

dont be.

post to pastebin, that site won't let me view without an account cause of "mature content"