They aren't terrorists in their own country, they are the police. I fough them myself remember?

I've seen enough of their violence and their hatred, which is why I say what I say.
I dont blame malala for the deaths of those little girls, but she does carry some responsibility, when she doesnt provide proper security for the schools, or public support.

There is a time and place for everything, and girls going to school, is not very popular in taliban controlled territory right now. It will get you killed.

When you have that knowledge first hand, but continue to put young people at risk, you're doing something bad, but dont get me wrong, its probably with the best of intentions. It's just misplaced.

Her schools are being burned to the ground and the girls studying there are being kidnapped, raped and murdered.

I don't disagree with her western values, but seeing up close the mindless violence it is leading to, I can only urge them to not go any further before things settle down

What is she is doing, is a death sentence to those girls.

As I said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Ok so the biggest flaw in ur argument is that you think it's her fault that people act violently. These girls want educations, shes helping provide them. That's all she's doing directly. The violence comes from the people shes speaking out AGAINST. Claiming the actions of her opposition are her fault is not only stupid, it's blindly blaming a girl for the acts of terrorism that she herself lived through.

tl;dr: blame the terrorists not the girl you moron

They aren't terrorists in their own country, they are the police. I fough them myself remember?

I've seen enough of their violence and their hatred, which is why I say what I say.
I dont blame malala for the deaths of those little girls, but she does carry some responsibility, when she doesnt provide proper security for the schools, or public support.

There is a time and place for everything, and girls going to school, is not very popular in taliban controlled territory right now. It will get you killed.

When you have that knowledge first hand, but continue to put young people at risk, you're doing something bad, but dont get me wrong, its probably with the best of intentions. It's just misplaced.

Just because you're an activist and human rights advocate doesn't make you a good person.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I know it's harsh, but it's my honest opinion.

yeah but she's not some neo-progressive, wasn't all she wants is for girls to have education in the middle east?

To her countrymen, she is. Listen, I understand that the western values she represent seems good and honest in you guys mind, but if you go there and see how much destruction and conflict it leads to, you'd change your mind.

The Afghan people have to change A LOT MORE before her ideas will lead to anything but more conflict, in a country that desperately needs a chill pill.

You're a fucken idiot.

No, her progressive thinking has lead to several deaths. Everyone knows that the taleban are targeting those who follow and listen to her. Her schools are burnt and those studying there are raped and murdered.

Progressive thinking is good, but in a warzone, it'll get you, and a lot of other people killed.
THAT is the situation, and i'd rather see girls oppressed than find them lying in a ditch, face down in a pool of their own blood.

There's a time and a place for everything, but if you encourage behavior that'll get people killed, you're doing something bad in my opinion.

Bad things are happening to those girls and women anyway. Better to try and change things then to do nothing and still get punished. Either way, I'd rather not continue this debate, if you would agree to that.

fine with me

No, I just don't think Malala is doing anything to save other people, I think she's doing it for self interest.
She's not subtle about it, in fact she lives in Birmingham because of it.

And she was awarded a nobel prize, which I disagree with.

I think you might be a Taliban or something...

I fought the Taliban.

And somehow this girl isn't a hero to you for standing up?

No. She is a security risk. All I want is for people to stop killing each other.
Fuck education, fuck religion I dont give a shit.
So long as you don't murder little girls.

43 of my colleagues lost their lives because of these fucking taliban soldiers. Hundreds of girls have been killed in taliban controlled territory for studying. It is definitely not worth it.

Not right now at least.

How on earth is she a security risk? To who? And what's not worth it, that she actually fights for her rights? I'm not getting your argument man. I think you're forgetting what she's actually accomplished and the hope that she inspires to people around the world.

And she absolutely deserved that Nobel Peace Prize.

I just dont see at as a peaceful action, i see it as escalating yet another conflict, this is actually one of the reasons the taliban has so much support, because muslims in these areas dont believe in western ideals and women rights.

Is it a peaceful inspiration, or an escalation of conflict? I believe it is the ladder.

Well, that's basically like telling Martin Luther King, Jr. that what he stood up for was wrong. It wasn't his peaceful demonstrations that caused violence, the violence already existed where he lived and he stood up against hit for his freedoms. Malala's stance is no different.

And women's rights aren't "western" values, they're universal values. Malala's Pakistani, I doubt she`s framing her fight in that context, to bring western values to Pakistan. She's probably thinking more of women's rights elsewhere in Asia, like Malaysia for example where Muslim women have much more political and economic authority than they do in most of the Middle East.

Except when MLK was an activist in a peaceful country.
That region of pakistan is so unstable that what Malala is doing is basically provoking a war. And her girl schools are situated in taliban controlled areas mainly. Not in Malaysia, that I could agree with.

America was absolutely not a peaceful country when MLK was around (that's one of the reasons he stood up in the first place - against lynchings, against segregation, etc) and I'd also argue that it never has been in its entire history given its involvement in atrocities all over the world, Latin America, Asia, the Middle East, you name it. I'm sorry but you can't claim to argue this from a moral perspective. Because the morals you seem to advocate are that she should just "stay in her place". It's apathetic, regressive, and unconducive to any efforts for real change.

So? It's not like their intention was to get everybody fucking murdered. The girl just wanted to open a god damn book and learn.

The girls aren't bad for wanting to be educated, it's the Taliban's fault for being fucken assholes.

I agree 100% which is why I wanted to fight the bastards
But this girl doesn't ensure safety for the girls attending her schools. And when she preaches for a better tomorrow, but end up with girls dying by the hundreds, she has done wrong in this world.
Which is why I stated, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Who said I'm being "offended on someone's behalf"?

I'm simply pointing out someone's blatantly idiotic statements. Whether or not they're directed at me is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that his words are fucken retarded.

I still don't understand what you mean
She spoke out against something and nearly was murdered for it. Despite that she still advocates for education rights and talks about change through peace. Her foundation does exactly what she advocates for; Helping girls get educations by founding schools. How is she not "saving people"?

Also Like what in human history has ever been done without self interest? MLK was totally in it for personal reasons yknow.

Her schools are being burned to the ground and the girls studying there are being kidnapped, raped and murdered.

I don't disagree with her western values, but seeing up close the mindless violence it is leading to, I can only urge them to not go any further before things settle down

What is she is doing, is a death sentence to those girls.

As I said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Ok so the biggest flaw in ur argument is that you think it's her fault that people act violently. These girls want educations, shes helping provide them. That's all she's doing directly. The violence comes from the people shes speaking out AGAINST. Claiming the actions of her opposition are her fault is not only stupid, it's blindly blaming a girl for the acts of terrorism that she herself lived through.

tl;dr: blame the terrorists not the girl you moron

They aren't terrorists in their own country, they are the police. I fough them myself remember?

I've seen enough of their violence and their hatred, which is why I say what I say.
I dont blame malala for the deaths of those little girls, but she does carry some responsibility, when she doesnt provide proper security for the schools, or public support.

There is a time and place for everything, and girls going to school, is not very popular in taliban controlled territory right now. It will get you killed.

When you have that knowledge first hand, but continue to put young people at risk, you're doing something bad, but dont get me wrong, its probably with the best of intentions. It's just misplaced.

r u dim thats why i said sometimes
and this happens to be one of those times

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