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To say 'No Muslim has ever gone to the authorities' is obviously ridiculous, so no. I'm not saying that.
"The rest fail to denounce their extremists and report illicit activity within their places of worship. " you have really bad short term memory then.
Obviously he was referring to the trend as a whole. They don't denounce their radicalism like we do. Denouncing their own jihadists would go against their religion.
They don't do that as that would make them the targets of the 'jihadis'...
I don't think so.
who denounces them is a target, but no one is more responsible for denouncing them than other Muslims. So, either Muslims are more afraid of the products of their own religion than Westerners are, or their religion doesn't equip them to deal with their own radicals. Either way Islam is the problem, but I choose to believe the latter.
You may not think so but that is actually what happens.
Civilians in most non-wartorn Muslim countries don't own firearms. Only those with military or illegal connections do. All you need is just one accusation and you can end a life or have your own ended in either a riot or planned hit.
If you go against a cleric's (whether connected to terrorists or not) views, all he needs to do is denounce you an infidel and you're looking at jail time and beatings right there.
You go up a big ol' ISIS baddie, tell him he's an asshat and his acts have nothing to do with Islam and he'll gladly kill you, no questions asked.
And it's not even the terrorists. Most Muslims, in a race to prove themselves the most pious, often bring other Muslims down who don't align with their own personal view like for e.g. if you eat or drink in public during Ramadan. Prepare to be glared at, at the very least.
I can go onto Facebook, post photoshops of a dude saying not-even-actually-blasphemous stuff and have him fucked for life. Both by the state and by the public. It has happened a lot. Still keeps happening. There's no real stopping it. Look up Mashal Khan's case for a brief overview.
Islam itself isn't bad. This is coming from me who is, actually, very critical of it. It just needs a lot of reforms to keep up with times.
The problem is the people who blindly follow it thinking what they're doing is right when it most often is not. If anyone tries to reform, he gets quickly shut down.
I was referring more the Muslims in the Western world who have the freedom to speak their mind without retaliation. If ISIS wanted to target them, they'd have to do it the same way they do it to the rest of us, and die afterward.
That's a really crappy situation you have there. I hate to hear about places without free speech, and where people fear their own governments. I don't think there is a reform for Islam like there was for Judaism. Judaism's highest goal is to be perfect like God, and they're neutral on many issues, like war and spousal treatment. So, after they mixed with reformed Christians, it made sense for them to also reform in order to not appear imperfect. However, Islam seems more focused on spreading Islam than perfecting loving-kindness. Furthermore, Islam explicitly promotes warfare in order to achieve that. How do you reform a religion that is inherently violent against reformers? Another Jesus? You have a lot of work. I wish you luck.
Ah, that is so. But, people consider their own lives to be precious. Why speak up against the crimes your people are committing when someone else could do that for you - or take the easy way out: blame the West. Muslims truly are a hypocritical bunch.
I can't speak for ALL of the Muslim countries but what I can do is clarify that us Pakis don't fear our government. Every time the government tries to do push some religious shit quite a lot of us hit he streets in protest.
Pakistan wasn't formed for Muslims. A Muslim majority has a part in it, yes, but it was made to be a democratic country that serves both Muslims and any/all minorities equally. Unfortunately, one of our leaders fucked up a couple of years down the road and we got ourselves an 'Islamic Republic' then. A sad scene.
Thankfully, around half of us have realized that this is bullshit and going back to our old ways. Think Kabul of Afghanistan before the 'jihadis' rose up. It's hard work. Lots of hurdles. Especially since those who raise their voices get treated like how FJ treats those who even show a tiny bit of criticism against Trump.
Though, I clarify that Islam doesn't actually warfare. The Quran was 'revealed' during the Arabian Dark Age. Bloodshed was in the Arabs' blood. Islam started out peacefully. It then had to adopt self-defense because the non-Muslims at the time really wanted to crush the new religion. After tasting success after success, the Muslims got carried away and took to spreading the religion through warfare after the Prophet's death. Self-defense changed to mess-'em-up.
That, in my honest opinion, is when Muslims start going to shit using the new religion as an excuse to do whatever they pleased.
Thank you, though.
If you've got any questions regarding the Islam and it's various fuckery then I'd be glad to answer. I'm quite neutral on most things so you can expect an un-biased explanation of matters. Unless if I state otherwise, that is.
I believe Islam was peaceful in Muhammad's early days, but I understand it took a turn later on, and that has influenced Muslims ever since. And, not only in the Quran, but in the writings about Muhammad's life itself, such as the Hadith, which is where much of the inspiration for extremism comes from.
My curiosity is, I found Christianity to be a marvelous religion. Jesus made sure love was the highest priority, even if it appears weak sometimes. As you can see, I am biased in this, but in light of what I know, I think that even if Islam was reformed that Muslims would still be short of happiness. I think the best outcome for them will be to accept a separate line of Abrahamic religion. You may have objections, but my curiosity is how hard would be for Muslims to go back to the God of Abraham and take a different path?
Sorry about the late reply.
Got pulled into a game and then forgot all about this.
The Hadith have done both good and bad for Muslims.
On the one hand, it's a good source of knowledge and guidance on every day life for Muslims that is entirely optional. You may choose to follow the Hadith but not doing so is not wrong at all. But, on the other hand, clerics and influential Muslim figureheads have abused the Hadith to come out with false teachings that have no place in the religion. Sadly, these false Hadiths have become officialised over time and have become commonly known as false.
The Sunnis are the biggest Islamic sect out there and they are follow the Hadith. Most sects have left the Hadith, or approach it with caution. But, the Sunnis won't stop. The faster the Muslims realize that the Hadith aren't a reliable source of information, the better. I myself am Sunni and realized this just 2 or 3 years ago after common sense hit me.
I can't really be sure about that question.
You see, Islam was introduced as an end to all Abrahamic religions. Muhammad is a direct descendant of Abraham via Ismail (I don't remember his English name). In Islam, it is known that any and all prophets (around 100,000+ of them) shared the same message of Islam. Each one reciting the message of the one before him. It wasn't until Solomon that the message of Islam got a bit complicated. Before him, it was just "Hey, believe in One God, mmmkay?"
After people kept going wrong no matter no many how many prophets came, God decided to get stricter and issue 'revelations' (the Torah, Psalms, Bible, and Quran - there are others too but not mentioned by name nor attributed to any specific prophets). With these came how to live life in order to not be led astray again.
So, with this mindset, Muslims aren't gonna switch to other religions as to them it's basically the same thing in a different package that has gone through its time.
The very few Muslims who do leave Islam tend to become atheists - but that mostly due to personal issues. A light example would be one of my closest friends who confided in me that he is now an atheist. He had family problems as well as uncertainties regarding his future. He felt he was 'abandoned by God', you could say.
If he away lets it known that he left the religion then he will be beat the fuck up.
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