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#121 - Well you have the freedom to live but you also have the respon…  [+] (5 new replies) 01/22/2016 on A stuff comp 0
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#123 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
I have no responsible or liable to anything i can do whatever i want to anything i dont have no rights there's no right or wrong. Lives don't matter we all die somehow. Nothing is the only thing that lives forever.
#146 - anon (01/22/2016) [-]
except by living in a society you adhere to a social contract and by pledging allegiance to a government you chose to follow its sovereignty and thus its rules. So you can say that you can do whatever you want, but you come off sounding like an ignorant idiot. If the land you live on belongs to a country and you are surrounded by people who generally agree they are in a society, then you have rules to follow.
If you dont like those rules, you can move to another society.
If you dont like societies you can go live on your own in the middle of buttfuck nowhere.
But if you want to say you dont have rules to follow, while taking advantage of all the benefits society has to offer then you are a lowly ungrateful hypocrite of a parasite who is actually following rules otherwise he would be dead or in jail.
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#167 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
And ur point is?
#127 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
gud4u
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#128 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
lol i like that
#119 - What Muslim inaction? There isn't a country in the Middle East…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/22/2016 on A stuff comp +2
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#175 - youregaylol (01/23/2016) [-]
"in some way or another" could mean killing one person who you consider a terrorist.

Still doesn't address the inherent barbarism inherent in islamic countries, sorry.
#178 - Jowi (01/23/2016) [-]
Do you even know all the islamic countries?
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#183 - youregaylol (01/23/2016) [-]
Do you even know how to make a valid argument?
#118 - But it's the literal definition of your Rights is that you are…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/22/2016 on A stuff comp 0
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#120 - twiceasfun (01/22/2016) [-]
Yeah I think you truly are owed liberty and such, but the right to arms is one such thing that people aren't owed but America has decided people can have. Personally, I think it should be treated more as a privilege than a right
#116 - There are sex slaves everywhere 01/22/2016 on A stuff comp +1
#113 - It's pretty sad if people actually believe the world owes them…  [+] (17 new replies) 01/22/2016 on A stuff comp 0
#154 - anon (01/22/2016) [-]
Here is my take on that.
Civilized society has agreed that these are basic rights that everyone should have and we try to make sure everyone has them.
In reality, you only have the rights that you can defend. Thus, being born with no rights and being unable to defend any, you depend on others to preserve those rights for you. However, some people dont have that benefit so they dont get it.
The world doesnt owe you anything. Protecting those rights is something we agreed to do as a society.
Its semantics, but basically the world is by nature a cruel place. However, we are nice and try to make it less cruel.
#131 - AnonymousDonor (01/22/2016) [-]
the problem is that, like most people, you're misconstruing idealism with reality


the world owes you absolutely nothing
you are entitled to absolutely nothing

the proof is simply in the world around you. forgive the cliches, but look at the starving children in Africa, or the war-torn Middle East, or the slums of any major national city, where people have to fight tooth and nail just to barely survive with their lives intact
--people that don't have the luxury to whine about their gender because they're too busy focusing solely on where their next meal is coming from

if something is owed by 'the world' to people, it would be owed to all people, would it not?
so if there is something that you believe everyone is entitled to, and you see even one person that has no possibility of access to it, then obviously it is not a universal law, is it?


make no mistake, there are universal laws regarding what you do and do not deserve
--chief among these is that, in order to actually be entitled to anything, you must earn it by putting through the hard work
of course even that is misunderstood, because you people project all your greed into your expectations and dont bother to realize that the only thing you will ever be owed by the universe is the wisdom that is gained from channeling all your energy into something, regardless of the material outcome

it is this wisdom that your ancestors employed when they earned the money and status to allow a better life for their progeny, so that you can have the luxury to sit on your ass at a computer screen and spread your ignorance across the internet

entitlement will never be other than a misconstrued form of earning something


there is nothing without cause and effect
just being alive doesn't entitle you to shit
its what you do with that life that matters
#134 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
Ok well you can spin it as cynically as you like but at the end of the day the right to life and freedom are U.N. codes not rights dished out by anyone nation.
You are in fact owed your life and liberty by the world, whether the world adheres to it or not is an entirely different matter
#135 - AnonymousDonor (01/22/2016) [-]
then in what sense is it entitlement?



to be told you are owed something yet never even have the possibility of access to it

not only makes the concept completely hollow and devoid of meaning
but it is the saddest and cruelest joke there is


if you want to make someones life better, you dont teach them that they are a special snowflake that deserves a lot of cheap ideals
you teach them that nothing worth having comes without work, effort, and pain, and you teach them to create meaning for themselves


as i said before, youre misconstruing idealism for actual charity
you're no better than the billions who think liking a Facebook page will put food on a starving child's table
#141 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
Jesus.... It's got nothing to do with teaching people that they are a special snowflake and poverty and suffering around the world has nothing to do with how hard you work.

This is the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights
www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

These are the rights of all people across the world and although not legally binding are supposedly adhered to by all nations for their citizens.
There are many nations, charities and NGOs that spend a lot of time, money and resources into preventing the breach of these rights.
If you think things are dark now when most of these breaches are carried out in 3rd world nations or by criminal organisations then be glad we don't live in an era where this state sponsored slavery across every continent. Where feudalism was the main system of government and the kind of "entitlement" that existed was that the nobility owned the land and the people by the will of God(s) and therefore nothing could be done to change that. Be glad we don't live in a world where the entitlement of the greatest armies was to go forth and invade and occupy the lands and slaughter the lands of others simply they were more powerful.
If any of those things happened now in the west there would be political uproar. The fact that it happens in the world at all is still considered an abhorrence to pretty much everybody.

Do you understand what entitlement means? It doesn't mean what you have or what you get or even what you deserve. It is by definition what you are owed.
Just because it is not given to all men by those who rule them does not mean that the right is not extended to them.
Do you think those living in the slums of Rio don't think they have a right to life?
What about the child labourers in east Asia? Should they be told that they have absolutely no entitlement?
You speak of hard work, what about those who can't? The disabled, the crippled and the maimed? They can only be seen as a drain on society so should they be told they have no rights?

It's easy for you to sit there and say "Hurr durr the world aims to fuck you up and you should just accept that you idealist" when you sit there and I assume live in at least moderate comfort.

But to say that those who are oppressed have no right to freedom or life is to do the work of the foremen of the sweat shops or the despots that rule without challenge. You break their hopes tell the oppressed they have nothing to aspire to.
Even if it is just an "idealist" message saying that these rights are extended to people is to show them that they don't have to accept life as it is and can take action to improve their lot in life.

The world is improving every day in many ways. People like you that stand there and say things are terrible and always will be are one of the major problems with the world. It's not that you're actively resisting but you're just not willing to give one about it
#149 - AnonymousDonor (01/22/2016) [-]
the world is improving because people bust their ass to make it happen
not just because someone tells them its better

my whole argument was idealism vs action

idealism isnt bad - certainly not always
but it should only be used as a guide; a means to an end

but you're sittin here appearing to argue it as an end in itself
because you're still spouting ideals-based arguments as if i gave a shit

but again, my point was to stress the maximum importance of action over ideals
because rampant idealism leads to sedentary, self-entitled children who whine until they get their way because they feel they're owed something without ever having to work for it


now if you excuse me, i have to go actually do something at the local community center
or for all you know i'm lying and i'll just sit on my ass and beat off - what do you care?

cuz telling people the world owes them homes and food is the same as them having it right?
#158 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
Idealism is the cause of literally every political movement ever. The thought that idealism plays no role is stupid.
Every decision we make every day is based on what our ideal outcome would be. Sadly that decision is usually a "lesser of two evils" option... but that's another matter.

Without Idealism there is no action for or against anything because nobody cares.
If there was no idealism in 14th Century England we wouldn't have begun to see the end of feudalism. Without idealism in the Colonies we wouldn't have begun the end of imperialism and the colonial age.

I never once claimed that idealism is the be all and end all. I said that work has to be done. But the starting point is people having the awareness that life can be better. That's what idealism is. The knowledge that the world can be a better place to live.
The Communist Manifesto was a book written that contained mere words and messages but created global action to make the world suit their ideals

Saying to people that they have rights isn't mockery, it's not telling them to just sit back and relax. It's a message that they don't have to accept the shackles that bind them.

Ideals may be all these people have for fuck sake
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#117 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
Ya real freedom thats why there's cops to put humans in cages eight wheres the freedom in that
#121 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
Well you have the freedom to live but you also have the responsibility to not infringe the rights of others. Infringe and you should have your freedoms taken away
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#123 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
I have no responsible or liable to anything i can do whatever i want to anything i dont have no rights there's no right or wrong. Lives don't matter we all die somehow. Nothing is the only thing that lives forever.
#146 - anon (01/22/2016) [-]
except by living in a society you adhere to a social contract and by pledging allegiance to a government you chose to follow its sovereignty and thus its rules. So you can say that you can do whatever you want, but you come off sounding like an ignorant idiot. If the land you live on belongs to a country and you are surrounded by people who generally agree they are in a society, then you have rules to follow.
If you dont like those rules, you can move to another society.
If you dont like societies you can go live on your own in the middle of buttfuck nowhere.
But if you want to say you dont have rules to follow, while taking advantage of all the benefits society has to offer then you are a lowly ungrateful hypocrite of a parasite who is actually following rules otherwise he would be dead or in jail.
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#167 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
And ur point is?
#127 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
gud4u
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#128 - puckisthis (01/22/2016) [-]
lol i like that
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#115 - twiceasfun (01/22/2016) [-]
At first, I thought you were making a good point, now I'm not sure if you were just leading into that joke. Either way, the point is true enough. You aren't owed nothing at all, just way less than some people believe they are entitled to. More it's society that owed you things instead of the world, but that's just me nitpicking word usage
#118 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
But it's the literal definition of your Rights is that you are owed those things. It's just the eventually you have to back it up with the responsibility of not infringing the rights of others and working to make the world a better place

I threw in the America thing as a sort of joke. Some of them truly believe they are owed the right to own guns.
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#120 - twiceasfun (01/22/2016) [-]
Yeah I think you truly are owed liberty and such, but the right to arms is one such thing that people aren't owed but America has decided people can have. Personally, I think it should be treated more as a privilege than a right
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#205 - ok m80  [+] (1 new reply) 01/22/2016 on dude..staahp +1
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#206 - youregaylol (01/22/2016) [-]
It's alright, just apologize and I'll forgive you.
#203 - No you took it to mean a guy leading a girl on. The original c…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/22/2016 on dude..staahp +1
#204 - youregaylol (01/22/2016) [-]
Yes, and that comment was in response to this "She is a bitch though, should've just said she wasn't interested right away, not lying about being busy."

That comment, the comment that started this thread, was about leading people on. The whole following convo was about leading people on. The person who I responded to was talking about leading people on.

Just stop, you're not clever and you're not fooling anyone.
#205 - Jowi (01/22/2016) [-]
ok m80
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#206 - youregaylol (01/22/2016) [-]
It's alright, just apologize and I'll forgive you.
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