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#43 - I don't know, I was born in 1993 and remember quite a lot abou…  [+] (2 new replies) 01/08/2014 on 90s Kids 0
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#67 - xolotyl (01/08/2014) [-]
yeah
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#58 - bodox (01/08/2014) [-]
no
#82 - The irony is that they are the only males that could deal wi… 01/08/2014 on FML 0
#196 - It clearly says British accentS. You know, the plural? 01/04/2014 on (untitled) 0
#61 - I saw the thumbnail and legit thought that science had created… 01/04/2014 on yessssss 0
#195 - Nah, it seems like you understand perfectly. 01/04/2014 on who the fuck put sugar in... +9
#585 - Okay. Still though, things are either true or are they aren't.…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/04/2014 on Kid is smarter than the... 0
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#586 - alfrebecht (01/05/2014) [-]
Yes, that is what I said earlier.
#581 - Yes, an atheist disbelieves in god. The definition of "di…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Kid is smarter than the... 0
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#583 - alfrebecht (01/03/2014) [-]
Alright, I've said what I believe to be true about the English language, so we're just going to have to disagree.
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#585 - HonkIfIDriveWell (01/04/2014) [-]
Okay. Still though, things are either true or are they aren't. What you "believe to be true" about the definition of words is kind of irrelevant, especially when the factual definitions are readily available.
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#586 - alfrebecht (01/05/2014) [-]
Yes, that is what I said earlier.
#577 - Sorry, but that's rubbish. Yes, there are atheists who do say …  [+] (5 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Kid is smarter than the... 0
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#578 - alfrebecht (01/03/2014) [-]
Ok, see I understand what you're saying, but the great thing about the English language is it doesn't care about your opinion about it.

An Atheist MUST disbelieve god, it's what the word means.

To reword something I've said before: if you take a man, put him in a society, and make no religion, such that that man does not have an opinion on God, he is not an atheist. He cannot be an atheist until religion exists in his society and he chooses, not only not to associate with it, but to believe it's wrong.

This is not a debate about correctness or procedure, just definition.
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#581 - HonkIfIDriveWell (01/03/2014) [-]
Yes, an atheist disbelieves in god. The definition of "disbelief" in this instance is "the inability or refusal to believe something is true".

The "inability" part covers anyone with no knowledge or understanding of the subject.

So yes, seeing as that atheist simply means "not a theist", and being a theist requires active belief in god, the hypothetical man you mentioned, having never heard of god, would indeed be functionally an atheist.


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#583 - alfrebecht (01/03/2014) [-]
Alright, I've said what I believe to be true about the English language, so we're just going to have to disagree.
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#585 - HonkIfIDriveWell (01/04/2014) [-]
Okay. Still though, things are either true or are they aren't. What you "believe to be true" about the definition of words is kind of irrelevant, especially when the factual definitions are readily available.
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#586 - alfrebecht (01/05/2014) [-]
Yes, that is what I said earlier.
#462 - "Intellectual decision that there is no god." …  [+] (7 new replies) 01/02/2014 on Kid is smarter than the... 0
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#573 - alfrebecht (01/02/2014) [-]
I don't know where you're getting your info, but it's not right.

Atheism is an active disbelief. A person who has never been taught any religion, for instance, would not be an atheist.

All an agnostic is is someone without set religious beliefs <or> someone who doesn't believe in a certainty of god or the absence of such. So saying the word is useless is just bizzarre.
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#577 - HonkIfIDriveWell (01/03/2014) [-]
Sorry, but that's rubbish. Yes, there are atheists who do say "there is no god" but it's not a requirement. Disbelief =/= Belief in lack of.

There's no special word for people who don't believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy, because not believing in those things doesn't generate any controversy and doesn't require a term.

It's only logical to disbelieve something until it's supported by evidence.

In a court of law, the crime must be evidenced before the defendant can be considered responsible. Innocent until proven guilty. The thing didn't happen unless it can be proven to have happened.

Atheism is just a result of that same principle, much like the scientific method when it comes to testing any hypothesis. Nothing is true until it is.
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#578 - alfrebecht (01/03/2014) [-]
Ok, see I understand what you're saying, but the great thing about the English language is it doesn't care about your opinion about it.

An Atheist MUST disbelieve god, it's what the word means.

To reword something I've said before: if you take a man, put him in a society, and make no religion, such that that man does not have an opinion on God, he is not an atheist. He cannot be an atheist until religion exists in his society and he chooses, not only not to associate with it, but to believe it's wrong.

This is not a debate about correctness or procedure, just definition.
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#581 - HonkIfIDriveWell (01/03/2014) [-]
Yes, an atheist disbelieves in god. The definition of "disbelief" in this instance is "the inability or refusal to believe something is true".

The "inability" part covers anyone with no knowledge or understanding of the subject.

So yes, seeing as that atheist simply means "not a theist", and being a theist requires active belief in god, the hypothetical man you mentioned, having never heard of god, would indeed be functionally an atheist.


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#583 - alfrebecht (01/03/2014) [-]
Alright, I've said what I believe to be true about the English language, so we're just going to have to disagree.
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#585 - HonkIfIDriveWell (01/04/2014) [-]
Okay. Still though, things are either true or are they aren't. What you "believe to be true" about the definition of words is kind of irrelevant, especially when the factual definitions are readily available.
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#586 - alfrebecht (01/05/2014) [-]
Yes, that is what I said earlier.
#453 - It's more of a widespread assumption. A theory actually has to… 01/02/2014 on Kid is smarter than the... 0