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#5 - Many people who carry concealed leave the chamber empty. There…  [+] (25 replies) 02/03/2016 on (untitled) +10
#47 - anon (02/03/2016) [-]
I carry with one in the pipe. Over 90% of jams occur while racking a round in. Always carry with one in the pipe and the safety on (if it has it.) Carrying empty is stupid and could cost you or some one else s life or leave you with a critical jam that you won't be able to fix in a situation.
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#9 - zombifier (02/03/2016) [-]
if you're gonna carry, always carry condition 1, that second it takes to chamber a round could save a life

if you're not comfortable carrying at condition 1, then you shouldn't carry, train more instead
#42 - anon (02/03/2016) [-]
that's how I carry.
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#11 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
That whole 'don't point a gun at someone you don't want to shoot' mentality is fucking stupid. It's a cheesey one liner that people take as life advice which is ridiculous. The content above shows WHY it's stupid, there are situations where simply pulling out and pointing an unloaded gun at someone can make them straight up drop their gun and surrender or turn around and run.
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#39 - kingderps (02/03/2016) [-]
I was in the us military and they taught the only point a gun at someone or something you intend to destroy. It's the same concept as "only invest in the stock market what you can afford to lose".

The reason behind this is that if you pull a gun on someone and they decide to fight back, and you can't shoot, they feel threatened for their life, they will likely take yours.

If you are not serious that you will will actually pull the trigger if you need to, do not point the gun.
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#21 - seanconneryz (02/03/2016) [-]
I thought it was "don't point a gun at someone unless you're prepared to shoot". Which is entirely true. Not because you're not "man enough" or some shit. Because you don't know if the other person is absolutely willing to. Same goes for pulling a knife on someone. I might add that the saying probably didn't have scrawny teenagers in mind.
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#23 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
The initial idea of the saying is as a short quip to reinforce the idea that you shouldn't play around with guns and as an extra precaution you should always treat the muzzle as though it's live because sometimes accidents happen and guns will unexpectedly be loaded or the safety will accidentally be off.

However when people learn that phrase without the context of it's actual meaning you get stupid twists on it like the idea that you shouldn't carry an unloaded gun around for self defense because if you don't want to shoot anyone with it you shouldn't point it at someone at all which gets even more twisted to the point of 'you shouldn't carry a gun unless you want to shoot someone'

It's kind of like how the phrase 'sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me' The meaning of that is that you shouldn't let what people say bother you but instead people take the phrase out of context from initial intended meaning and use it as a justification to say whatever stupid shit they want losing their sense of responsbility.
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#25 - seanconneryz (02/03/2016) [-]
To be fair if you're just walking around with an unloaded gun, it's probably not because of that phrase. It's because they're a fucking retard. On the other hand you could bludgeon someone to death if need be. That should be a saying.
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#26 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
Or it's because you're not willing to actually shoot someone and aren't comfortable having a loaded weapon on your person, but in the right scenario (like the one above for example) you would like people to believe you have the ability to shoot them.
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#12 - zombifier (02/03/2016) [-]
if you think it's fucking stupid, i hope you never handle a firearm
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#13 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
why? Because I'm capable of making rational thinking decisions based on the situation at hand like a human being without having to refer to a 'cool sounding' and over simplified rhetoric to guide my every action? I hope you never handle a firearm.
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#16 - HobbsBear (02/03/2016) [-]
You sound like the retard who would run around pointing a loaded gun at someone and then claim "IT"S JUST A PRANK BRO".
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#17 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
Yes because thinking there's a use for unloaded guns as an intimidation factor in a self defense situation is totally the equivalent of running around waving a loaded gun at people.
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#19 - HobbsBear (02/03/2016) [-]
No, because you think that practicing basic gun safety is just "a cheesy one liner". Literally the first thing taught is that even if you know the chamber is empty, even if the gun has never been loaded, even if there's a brick wall in front of you, you don't fucking point a gun at anything you don't want to royally fuck up. Yeah, it's overkill safety, but just look up how many accidental / "it wasn't loaded" discharges there have been. Unless you literally have your dick in the chamber instead of a bullet, just don't point a gun at something you don't want to kill. Is that really that stupid?
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#20 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
No I think summing everything up to a saying or short rehtoric with no regards to the context and intention of said saying then using those one liners as a replacement for common sense is retarded.
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#22 - HobbsBear (02/03/2016) [-]
But the point of that one liner is SPECIFICALLY that it's supposed to apply to all cases, no matter what. Sure, saying things like "you should never swim an hour after eating" could have a ton of exceptions... "...except to save someones life", "except if you wanna impress that girl with a sick jacknife flip", etc. Not pointing at something you don't want to destroy (as I've always heard it) doesn't HAVE any exceptions. In your example of using an unloaded weapon to intimidate, you aren't going to go pulling the trigger willy-nilly, because A) you don't live in a movie, B) that hurts guns, bad touch! and C) there's still a reasonable expectation that it might discharge.
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#24 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
Ok so three thugs break into my store, I don't want to shoot them but I don't want to get robbed and I want to be prepared in case the threat they pose begins to escalate (I.E. they pull out guns)

That's a case where I don't want to shoot someone but I do want to have my gun pointed at them.
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#28 - HobbsBear (02/03/2016) [-]
And here's why you don't do that unless you wouldn't mind giving one of them "summer brains" -- some are here, some are there!

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#29 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
A. If you buy the gun and it's unloaded, never load the gun and never buy bullets there's no chance of your gun 'accidentally' being loaded. If you wanted to keep an unloaded gun on hand solely for intimidation purposes it's far from impossible for you to ensure it's always unloaded.

B. What I'm saying is NOT that you should go swinging your gun around like an maniac pointing it at whoever you want willy nilly. Far from that what I'm saying is you should be able to assess the situation and make reasonable choices without needing to resort to a rule of thumb for everything.

C. The situation in this post is NOTHING like the situation that I just described. This isn't 'why you should never point a gun at someone you don't want to shoot' this is 'why you shouldn't put point a gun with the safety off at someone and pull the trigger for absolutely no reason'
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#30 - HobbsBear (02/03/2016) [-]
Last reply, then I'm hittin the sack.

A) You can never be 100% sure. That's the point of the saying.

B) If you're so sure your gun isn't loaded, why NOT go swinging your gun around willy nilly? The "don't point" rule is a rule, not a rule of thumb. It's like "Don't murder". You just don't do it.

C) The guy was cleaning the gun, was certain the gun was unloaded, and he accidentally discharged it. Some guns you need some strength to pull, some guns could go off if you sneezed at it.

Long story short, why take the chance of killing someone, when you could just as easily keep your gun aimed at their feet?
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#31 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
A. You definitely can be 100% sure as per the scenario I just presented. In the scenario I just presented there's no way you're gun is ever going to be 'accidentally' loaded because bullets don't just magically spawn.

B. If you go around swinging your gun around Willy Nilly even if you're absolutely sure it isn't loaded, you're liable to get yourself shot and scare people which is a good reason for starters.

C. the article straight up says “he thought the gun was unloaded but did admit to intentionally pointing it at her, placing it on fire and pulling the trigger,”
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#14 - zombifier (02/03/2016) [-]
I'm a firearm instructor, those rules are in place for a reason
going against that rule could get you or someone else shot
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#15 - amuzen (02/03/2016) [-]
Yeah that rule is in place for a reason, the reason is so that you don't accidentally shoot someone you don't want to and to discourage reckless muzzle control. Not because every time you pick up a gun you should want to shoot somebody.

You start taking that shit out of context start treating it like the rule is absolute that's where it becomes wrong because there are in fact situations where having a gun that's not capable of killing anyone around can be very beneficial as pointed out before.
#10 - Griffino (02/03/2016) [-]
I'll give you one reason: the hilarity when a bad guy gets ahold of it and he tries to squeeze off a round with the chamber empty as the good guy retrieves his weapon.
#6 - anon (02/03/2016) [-]
The only reason is because he or she is afraid it's gonna go off all by itself.