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#186 - Point taken. I will read more closely next time. Yes Zionism w… 07/17/2014 on [freedoms intensify] +1
#166 - Do you really take Hamas at face value? I mean they are practi… 07/17/2014 on [freedoms intensify] 0
#110 - Of course I meant Hamas when I said the "exterminate the … 07/17/2014 on [freedoms intensify] 0
#109 - Just to inject this into the discussion. Hamas has said that i…  [+] (5 new replies) 07/17/2014 on [freedoms intensify] +1
User avatar #177 - metalmind (07/17/2014) [-]
If you read closely, you'll see that I said:
"Not to say that [they] aren't scum".
It's a double negative. Please read more closely.
And by far most Palestineans are not members of the Hamas, and I think would like to live in peace with the Israelis, who have taken most of their lands and are well on the way of taking the other lands.
The Israelis have dislocated millions of Palestineans.
They have forced some of them them to live in an area with a population density of 5046people/km², a population density around 13236% that of Israel.
User avatar #186 - GhostofBillyMays (07/17/2014) [-]
Point taken. I will read more closely next time. Yes Zionism was a mistake. I said that already. The point I was making was that the people who are actually running the show and making decisions FOR the Palestinian people are Hamas members. It's a dual government with Hamas and Abbas. The Palestinians did not deserve to be displaced, but I don't believe that the Israelis are worse. The reason Zionism happened was because Jewish people were persecuted throughout the entire world. Both have committed crimes. However if you look at the motive of the governments one says "The security and prosperity of the Jewish people" and the other is "Death to the Jews". People can't just allow this to become some sort of tit for tat which one is worse scenario. It needs to be shown that MOST people in both Israel and Palestinian territories want a two state solution. If Hamas stays in power I can guarantee there will be no solution that doesn't involve killing as many Jews as possible.

I sympathize with both the Palestinian people, and the Jewish people. There are just some shit governments in power and both the Palestinians and Israel need to get off of their cycle of revenge bombings and work out a peaceful solution. It's childish behavior they are participating in.
#133 - anonymous (07/17/2014) [-]
It's a wide organization, of course different opinions come forth. However, they have stated that ''exterminating the jews'' isn't a common tenet of theirs. They do however wants to exterminate the State of Israel.

User avatar #166 - GhostofBillyMays (07/17/2014) [-]
Do you really take Hamas at face value? I mean they are practically a declared terrorist organization. Also I can't take Mahmoud Abbas seriously. He can't create a government with a group with a long history of radical antisemitism and then within the next few days say that the holocaust was bad. It is slimy to do that. I don't believe that Zionism was the correct course of action to begin with, but I doubt Hamas is looking for a stable solution that doesn't involve Islamic domination and the spilling of Jewish blood.
User avatar #110 - GhostofBillyMays (07/17/2014) [-]
Of course I meant Hamas when I said the "exterminate the Jews" quotation, not the Palestinians who have the rights to their land.
#13 - *angry reply* 07/08/2014 on Europe Stronk 0
#12 - This post made my eyes rain.. 06/28/2014 on jack 0
#268 - The difference is that the owner is a physical being. The dog …  [+] (1 new reply) 06/19/2014 on Confirmation Bias 0
User avatar #269 - malific (06/19/2014) [-]
Given. As I said in one of my previous comments, I'm not really pushing for true or untrue. My whole point is you can't produce evidence of a god not existing and thus the comic is simply a false premise.

the rest of it is just... critical thinking I guess you could call it, about how a being such as man and a being such as god would relate to one another, or even be ABLE to relate to one another.

As to physical being, yes the ant knows the boot, but what about 100 generations of ants later when the the boot is on a shoe rack? The dog can relate to it's owner, but it can't relate to an economy, yet that economy still exists.

It's basically just all food for thought.
#266 - Seriously? Again you are putting humans and god in the same si…  [+] (3 new replies) 06/18/2014 on Confirmation Bias 0
User avatar #267 - malific (06/18/2014) [-]
I'll address the first line first since that's pretty important.

NO ONE in the texts claim to know the mind of God the claim is to "carry the word of God" and "spread his message."

I don't understand you saying 'again' It's the first time I's used the ant and boot metaphor.

I used the ant and boot metaphor to make it kind of simple for you to understand and because it's a quote from popular media, It's an apt representation since the ant is incapable of conceiving everything the boot represents.

But try this: A pet and their owner. Do you think the pet is at all capable of understanding why the owner leaves for hours at a time. Do you think it can fathom the idea of a store for it's food, or that a plant right down the road (I live near a farm) is turned into that food through various complex machinations or physical and economical nature?

A pet has no ability to understand it nor the capability to even know the existence of it. And that's with only a 75% diference in our DNA. Relate that to Human and a god. It's not possible for us to understand what a god is or does, we only have our own interpretations of it in the base area we can comprehend.

No, I said in essence salvation is repenting for your sins. Basically in saying you're sorry. That salvation is then provided by god.

It's a closed circle, If you don't believe in god, you don't believe in salvation from your sins. You don't even believe in sins, just right, wrong, and making amends for past deeds, thus you don't need god nor the salvation provided.

Religious people are no more self centered than normal people. Being self centered is human. It's also scientifically the natural way for non-hive based animals. Of course it would be thought that everything would be designed for us, we're dominant on our planet and at the time believed everything that existed was on our planet. Again it's a matter of interpreting something we can't understand into means and measures we're capable of comprehending.
User avatar #268 - GhostofBillyMays (06/19/2014) [-]
The difference is that the owner is a physical being. The dog knows that the owner exists, and the ant knows that this boot exists. The point is, no one knows whether a god exists or not and to assume that there is one based on old texts written by men seems a bit naive.

It doesn't matter what the boot or owner represent. It's a matter of whether the actual being exists or not, especially one that cares about who you sleep with and what foods you eat. Selectively picking information to support a pre-determined conclusion is bound to have faulty information.
User avatar #269 - malific (06/19/2014) [-]
Given. As I said in one of my previous comments, I'm not really pushing for true or untrue. My whole point is you can't produce evidence of a god not existing and thus the comic is simply a false premise.

the rest of it is just... critical thinking I guess you could call it, about how a being such as man and a being such as god would relate to one another, or even be ABLE to relate to one another.

As to physical being, yes the ant knows the boot, but what about 100 generations of ants later when the the boot is on a shoe rack? The dog can relate to it's owner, but it can't relate to an economy, yet that economy still exists.

It's basically just all food for thought.
#231 - Jesus has about as much proof that he lived as Socrates much b…  [+] (5 new replies) 06/16/2014 on Confirmation Bias 0
User avatar #264 - malific (06/18/2014) [-]
>,< Shit... I made a nice wall text then accidently hit cancel.. I'll sum up.

"The ant has no quarrel with a boot." Loki - The Avengers

This is a very good statement about a mortal's relationship to a god. But it doesn't measure the true reality of that situation. The ant has no concept of what the boot really is.

The ant sees a large object. All it sees is the bottom. And the imprint it leaves behind.

Imagine if the boot has LEDs in it. The ant would be confused as hell as to what those were because it can't control light.

It also has no idea or even the ability to conceive of what that boot represents. The person who designed it, the assembly line it was build on, the economy and money that fueled it's creation. All concepts completely alien and beyond the ability of an ant.

Religious texts are that. Recording events that were perpetrated by a being that is simply beyond the comprehension of a human. The messages changes because our ability to comprehend evolves.

And naturally because they were written by men, they are used be men. And man is nothing if not a power hungry egotistical asshole that believes everything is about him.

That's my sum up, Now here's something I also look at religion as. It's a police force.

Assume for a moment, that The Bible is true. Just pretend if you need to. Now imagine you want power (probably less hard to do). You want to devise a plan to control the populace based on the Bible. What do?

Claim that YOU are the only gateway to salvation. (Something the bible very clearly states you get by just repenting and believing Christ died for your sins.) Claim that You are able to deny people heaven via excommunication. Simultaneously use the knowledge of the existence of an all seeing all knowing enforcer to keep the populace well behaved, making sure they know they'll pay for it after they die even if they aren't caught.

Bang. you are now the Catholic Church, and God is your law enforcer.
User avatar #266 - GhostofBillyMays (06/18/2014) [-]
Seriously? Again you are putting humans and god in the same situation as an ant and a boot. Maybe not the right metaphor to use if you want to convince people.

And you said in essence that salvation can be had by believing that god sent a son down, his mother was a virgin, he healed the blind with a wave of his hand, and he walked on liquid water. Let's say all of that was true, and I'd say that it is a greater leap to believe that then believe that none of it actually happened, it still wouldn't prove that he was the son of God.

I would say the religious are the self-centered people because they believe that Universe was designed by God with them in mind. The arrogance of people saying "Oh, don't mind me, I'm just on a mission for a supernatural deity".

One more thing, if God is something we can't comprehend, then how can anyone claim to know the mind of this God?

User avatar #267 - malific (06/18/2014) [-]
I'll address the first line first since that's pretty important.

NO ONE in the texts claim to know the mind of God the claim is to "carry the word of God" and "spread his message."

I don't understand you saying 'again' It's the first time I's used the ant and boot metaphor.

I used the ant and boot metaphor to make it kind of simple for you to understand and because it's a quote from popular media, It's an apt representation since the ant is incapable of conceiving everything the boot represents.

But try this: A pet and their owner. Do you think the pet is at all capable of understanding why the owner leaves for hours at a time. Do you think it can fathom the idea of a store for it's food, or that a plant right down the road (I live near a farm) is turned into that food through various complex machinations or physical and economical nature?

A pet has no ability to understand it nor the capability to even know the existence of it. And that's with only a 75% diference in our DNA. Relate that to Human and a god. It's not possible for us to understand what a god is or does, we only have our own interpretations of it in the base area we can comprehend.

No, I said in essence salvation is repenting for your sins. Basically in saying you're sorry. That salvation is then provided by god.

It's a closed circle, If you don't believe in god, you don't believe in salvation from your sins. You don't even believe in sins, just right, wrong, and making amends for past deeds, thus you don't need god nor the salvation provided.

Religious people are no more self centered than normal people. Being self centered is human. It's also scientifically the natural way for non-hive based animals. Of course it would be thought that everything would be designed for us, we're dominant on our planet and at the time believed everything that existed was on our planet. Again it's a matter of interpreting something we can't understand into means and measures we're capable of comprehending.
User avatar #268 - GhostofBillyMays (06/19/2014) [-]
The difference is that the owner is a physical being. The dog knows that the owner exists, and the ant knows that this boot exists. The point is, no one knows whether a god exists or not and to assume that there is one based on old texts written by men seems a bit naive.

It doesn't matter what the boot or owner represent. It's a matter of whether the actual being exists or not, especially one that cares about who you sleep with and what foods you eat. Selectively picking information to support a pre-determined conclusion is bound to have faulty information.
User avatar #269 - malific (06/19/2014) [-]
Given. As I said in one of my previous comments, I'm not really pushing for true or untrue. My whole point is you can't produce evidence of a god not existing and thus the comic is simply a false premise.

the rest of it is just... critical thinking I guess you could call it, about how a being such as man and a being such as god would relate to one another, or even be ABLE to relate to one another.

As to physical being, yes the ant knows the boot, but what about 100 generations of ants later when the the boot is on a shoe rack? The dog can relate to it's owner, but it can't relate to an economy, yet that economy still exists.

It's basically just all food for thought.
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