How dare you. Laugh out loud.

Your taste buds get boners for dead cows.

Oh I'm so sorry I used language deemed inappropriate for those under the 10th grade, did I offend baby's delicate sensibilities?

No, I'm not saying meat eaters are pedophiles just because I used them both in the same context you fucking moron.

I'm saying MORALLY they are similar. Both are examples of humans taking advantage of a weaker being and using it against their will for disgusting self serving purposes, I'm not saying that if you enjoy a bloody flank of a murdered animal that you are raping a baby, and I'm not saying that one is worse than the other.

As someone who was sexually abused as a child I don't see the problem with comparing the two.

You may not get a boner at the playpen but if you did I see no reason why you wouldn't act on it if you already don't have an issue with taking advantage of something weaker then you for your own purpose.

You're being ridiculous. It's not like it's socially unacceptable to eat meat, it's not taking advantage of anything.

You're dumb as a fucking rock aren't you? What else could possibly have one point have been socially acceptable in the United States, but was still taking advantage of others... hmm.. FUCKING SLAVERY.

This isn't as bad in the sense that it's not our fellow man, but much worse in the sense that they are being MURDERED.

Basically what I'm saying is to fuck off and worry about yourself... let people make their own choices.

Lol you're calling me dumb? People have been eating meat for years... It's .natural that humans eat meat, we wouldn't be eating it if we weren't supposed to. It's not like people have the urge to eat meat and are too weak to fight it, they eat it because they want to, and it's delicious.

I don't feel bad after eating a burger. You're blowing things out of proportion and comparing it to terrible things to support your argument. That's what stupid people do.

Meat provides things that are good for you, yeah, you can get them with veggies and other things too... but it's still good for you, and fucking delicious.

Go ahead and be pissed that people are eating cows, no one will ever stop. You'll just keep being angry and I'll just keep laughing while I wipe the steak sauce from my cheeks.

You're the one that replied to my comment you fucking dipshit I didn't seek you out and insult you did I? No, so how again am I not letting you make your own choices? By having an opinion independent of yours?

I realize this. You fucking dipshit, and I've already said it, twice. I fucking get that people eat meat. ACTUALLY read the fucking thread before you fucking post.

Yet, AGAIN I will repeat myself I don't have an issue with animals eating other animals, or humans eating animals. Unlike many of my vegetarian counterparts I understand the circle of life and have no issue with killing for survival, I have no issues with animal testing, hunting to keep wild populations down, underdeveloped parts of the world keeping small amounts of livestock to sustain a clan. All of that is just survival.

Its just the force breeding and mass production to meet first world standards on animal carcass demand that really repulses me. It's a highly inefficient system that in addition to being shocking cruel to its victims is destroying our planet and our depleting precious resources shit tons of grain and water go to feed the force bred livestock, resources that could sustain HUMANS in underdeveloped countries without their own resources.

Meat makes you fucking fat. I bet you're 300 fucking pounds sitting there. And you should feel bad, because in addition to it being murder its goddamn horrible for the planet and all of the inhabitants.

Lol calm down. I said you were being ridiculous because you were... I never insulted you. I'm also not going to read through this whole fucking thread.

And yeah, go ahead and call me fat Lol. If people get fat from eating meat it's because they were pathetic losers to begin with; like all fat people are.

Keep raging though bud, I'm going go eat some chicken Marsala. I don't give a fuck how the animal died Rofl, as long as they taste delicious.

Inb4 "I'm not even mad" you're fucking pissed... I can tell by how you flipped out on me, grow up kid, and quit worrying about other people. If it bothers you so much, do something about it other than bitch on FJ.

Once again, you. replied. to. me. Not the other way around. And I was asking for a debate. I'm not going to get mad over the internet but I will insult you and be blunt. I'm just stating the facts sorry if it's not in as flowery as terms as you're obviously accustomed.

Oh yeah... the fact is that I'm a stupid dipshit right? You're awfully closed minded. You should grow up before looking to "debate" with people on the internet.

You were butthurt. Don't lie. You insulted me in caps over nothing, a sheer sign of an aching ass. You can stop replying if you have nothing constructive to say.

It's funnyjunk, 1 in the morning and I'm arguing with a stupid bitch I see no reason to be cordial. That seems to be the entire basis of your argument
"LOL MEAT B GUD HUR DUNT CUR IF FLESH HURRR U SO MAD CAUS U JUS MAD"

If you have anything outside of that to say feel free. Otherwise I will keep insulting you. Until I get bored and just go read some motherfucking Harry Potter like a boss.

That's the main reason people eat it. 'cause they can and it's delicious and good for you. What the fuck other reason would people have for eating something? Your only argument is that it's wrong. Sack the fuck up and quit being such a pussy, you'll never get laid that way. Make sure you're not a fucking retard before you call people stupid Lol... brb going to popey's lol.

You rageoholic. You're probably so stressed out because you haven't had a decent meal.

Inb4 you get laid all the time... we can all tell you don't. Btw, I fucked your dead grandmother.

Dude, why do you think its cute to say shit like, "K AM GUN ATE ANIMUL NAO", not actually an argument. "K am gon go masterbate on your mothers face now," Do you feel more or less inclined to continue our discussion? Is that actually an argument? Nope.

I thought the argument that it destroys our planet, depletes our resources, and is unbelievably monstrous was a pretty good backbone for why it was wrong, but apparently "R OT DULUSHUS" is just as good, so I'm just going to say, it's corpse and it tastes like corpse, There a taste argument, yours is now invalid and all that remains are my real ones.

Yeah but those are lies Lol. It's not destroying or depleting anything Lol, it's not like there is a shortage on cows, or chickens, or pigs. I say I'm going to go eat animals now because you're a little bitch and obviously get butthurt over things like that.

The fact that you don't like how it tastes is not an argument as to why people shouldn't eat it, retard. People eat it because they find it delicious.

Plants are not animals. You meat eaters can say it as much as you want but that doesn't make it an argument. Plants do not have brains, so they have no desire to live and could not feel pain even if they had nerve endings which they do not.

And seriously guys? I thought we where having a debate here not a thumbdown party fuck yall niggas I'm thumbing you all down too if you can't be cordial and not thumb me down for taking an unpopular side in a debate.

plants don't have a desire to live ? plants grow in the direction the sun is in and their roots grow according to where water is they do have a desire to live or else there would be none and how would you know that plants cant feel anything your not a plant they might have a different chemical structure for feeling in fact they do how would a Venus flytrap know when to close if it couldn't feel the fly?

Yea actually I do know because I passed 7th grade science, a venus fly trap reacts to stimulus by an electrical potential of the leaf, it sends a signal to the midrib, and the plant reacts by snapping shut, simlar to the reaction of a hair standing up on your arm do to stimulus. The reaction of a plant growing towards light is not a conscious decision on the part of the plant, it is just reacting to stimulus, much like human hair.

And if your argument is that plants might be people to because we don't know (which we fucking do because they DON'T HAVE NERVE ENDINGS OR BRAINS) so we can't avoid being monsters ever, then that's pathetic. Why don't we all just fucking kill each other then? EVERYTHING WE DO IS ALREADY MONSTROUS I DON'T SEE WHY IT MATTERS IF I RAPE THIS CHILD I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT CAN FEEL PAIN JUST BECAUSE IT IS RESPONDING TO MY STIMULUS.

We know for a fact that other mammals and avians feel pain, respond to stimulus and react in grief and horror when themselves or their loved ones are being murdered, so don't make excuses like "plants are people too" can I please get a real argument?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odgldsDVDis

any body can become an expert on a topic from being on google for 35 minutes and in order to be stimulated you have to feel something a plant might not need a brain or nerves to feel stuff your thoughts are made up of chemical mixtures and electrical impulses a plant also has chemical mixtures and electrical impulses it could just be carrying out the action in a different way

No, it could not. And yes the google thing is true, give it a shot or take a course in Anatomy and Biology, you sound like a 12 year old with down syndrome, divinecreator, saying that plants feel pain and thoughts and desires just because you imagine they might would be just as relevant as me saying "You better not eat meat because the fat blue fairy doesn't approve and will rape you in the mouth every night, you don't know that she doesn't, you aren't the blue fairy are you? Her genitals may be different from humans so you might not remember it" That is what you fucking sound like. Stop it, work with reality here and I will do you the courtesy of doing the same.

Again, the argument that picking a plant is just as bad as murdering an animal so we should keep murdering animals is BULLSHIT.

Think about it this way, you are arguing that if I go and pick a tomato from a plant that I have murdered that Independent tomato? Correct? So it is just as moral for you to go and stop and kittens head in. Okay, but the kitten doesn't grow a new head does it? Does it continue to grow? The plant continues to grow and thrive after having the parasitic tomato fruit removed and grows MANY in its place, the tomato would have just continued to grow until it was no longer suited for human consumption then it would have been dropped from the plant and more would have continued to grow, like, human, hair. Fruits are a body product of the plant, so even if the plant WAS alive and aware (WHICH IT IS NOT) would it be "murder"? Is it murder when you lose a hair on your head? Would you be more inclined to pick a rose for your girl or take a puppy and slam it against the wall until it died? Well why not? YOU ARE MURDERING THAT ROSE ANYWAY SO WHY DON'T YOU KILL THAT PUPPY? Why did you pick the tomato and not stomp the kitten?

did i say picking a plant is just as bad no i just came up with a THEORY that plants might be able to feel pain notice how I say COULD and MAYBE in my comments and the tomato fruit is just holding the seeds for the tomato plant so that more plants can grow basically the tomato fruit is the plants jizz if you jerked off the kitty it wold make more semen and not end up killing it :) thanks for saying i sound like a 12 yr old retard by the way just because you cant mentally grasp what i'm saying and i can tell that by your flawed and insane sounding rhetoric

http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2450196/Ownage/

GO TO THE LINK

Gasses released from cutting a plant, same exact thing as animal screaming in pain from being murdered.

Food crops are a renewable resource, they don't actually feel pain or have a desire to live because they don't have brains, so even if they had nerve endings or vocal cords they would not function. So, can you think of a real argument please?

the animals don't scream in pain, that's just PETA propaganda.

Have you ever seen No Country for Old Men?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odgldsDVDis, You're right they clearly are enjoying it and their brains, nerve endings, and vocal cords are clearly just the imaginative work of PeTA

you realize that the people in that video are all members of peta right? Peta is a borderline terrorist organization that tries to get its way with shock and awe no matter how many animals it kills needlessly. http://petakillsanimals. com/

the compressed air canister the villain from No Country for Old Men carries around in the beginning of the movie was stolen from a slaughterhouse. They put the hose up against the cows head and push a button, then the compressed air pushes a small metal rod through the cows skull and into its brain. The cows are dead before they even know which way to fall.

Peta acquires live dolphins and hundreds of chickens cows and pigs, records themselves killing them in a factory like setting, then makes videos using former Beatles to convince people not to eat the cows that where killed kindly like in your movie.

Seems legit, since you have clearly NOT just pulled that right out of your ass please send me a few of the articles that you discovered this shocking fact in, this should be no issue since you CLEARLY are not making this up and this sounds HIGHLY illegal in the united states so NATURALLY there would be many many articles about such an event, I'm sure google is just broken and refuses to find such an article for me.

Don't believe everything you see in movies, There are MANY other methods of murder but I assume you are refering to Captive bolt stunning – A “pistol” is set against the animal’s head and a metal rod is thrust into the brain.Shooting a struggling animal is difficult, and the rod often misses its mark, but just because you saw it in a movie doesn't mean that it's the only way.. theres also Electric stunning – Current produces a grand mal seizure; then the throat is cut. According to industry consultant Temple Grandin, PhD, “Insufficient amperage can cause an animal to be paralyzed without losing sensibility.” and of course, still practiced Ritual slaughter – Animals are fully conscious when their carotid arteries are cut. This is supposed to cause unconsciousness within seconds, but because of blood flow through the vertebral arteries in the back of the neck, some animals can remain conscious as they bleed for up to a minute.18 Additionally, Temple Grandin, PhD notes “Unfortunately, there are some plants which use cruel methods of restraint such as hanging live animals upside down.”19 This can cause broken bones as the heavy animal hangs by a chain attached to one leg.

1. Too lazy to find the specific article, but this site should give you a general idea about how hypocritical and destructive peta can be http://petakillsanimals. com/

2. Just because you saw it on the internet doesn't mean its true. Do you really think a slaughter house would let an animal rights group onto their property to film them tormenting livestock? If peta filmed them in secret then made the video, they would either have been sued for slander or the slaughter houses would've been closed for animal cruelty.

3. Then there is the lack of any logic. The chickens are too overweight to stand AND they're under fed? (also, did you notice that after the part when they cut the tip of the beaks off, none of the other chickens they showed were missing beaks?) If disease were as rampant as that video suggests, the FDA would close the operation down in under a month. They would want the animals as calm as possible before slaughter because excitement and fear release large amounts of hormones which makes the meat go sour, not to mention how inefficient it is to shackle a full-grown pissed-off/terrified cow then pick it up and carry it to slaughter.

4. Just because there are Many other methods of slaughter, doesn't mean that they are widely used. Remember, you can always count on corporations to minimize spending and maximize efficiency. Why waste time and money paying dozens of people to kill a couple of animals an hour when one person with the proper equipment and basic training can do triple the work in half the time with practically no cleanup. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr00arV2XIw&feature=related (How often does that miss?)

5. They didn't show any cows being killed in No Country for Old Men. I brought it up because I couldn't remember what captive bolt stunning was called and i was hoping you had seen the movie and would have an idea of how quick and painless captive bolt stunning can be.

Hereya go. Happened to stumble upon this one while derping around on facebook which has no affiliation with peta might as well link it. If this doesn't effect you now you aren't only brainless you're heartless as well.
http://www.meatvideo.com/

Meat is made of BODIES, HOW THE HELL IS THAT NOT REPULSING YOU. It is a BODY PART. A biological breathing thinking screaming shitting live bleeding body, just ew. As advanced animals in the first world we should have evolved past such barbaric and frankly repulsive acts by now.

haha yeh i no i dont realy mind vegy people i just gave you that link for a joke. in fact i respect there love for animals

AND in addition to that, many plants have evolved to taste good so that they can survive better. Can you meat eaters say that about your meat? Sure, you may think it tastes great, but think about it. It's all in how you cook it, and what spices you use. Also, spices are plants. So you're making your meat taste like plants.

Certain spices that are good on meat are not good on plants.

But spices (Usually) come from plants. That's what I was saying

They're plants. Many of them evolved to taste good. Berries? Fruit? They taste good so that animals will eat them. Plants don't have brains. They don't feel pain. They don't have feelings. They don't have senses. Even if you were to grow them in the same conditions that cows are kept in, plants wouldn't know, and it doesn't effect them. Tell me of an animal that tries to be eaten. And not like parasites, that want to be in your body. those don't count.

Watch that video sparkleeme posted and tell me that animals don't feel pain. You can tell yourself that it's all fake shit posted by PETA, but that's just to make yourself feel better. That shit's real. If you can't handle that, you have no place arguing.

If you can give me ACTUAL examples of REAL animals that WANT and TRY to be eaten. or examples of REAL plants that we eat that DO feel pain and DO have senses, then you have an argument. Otherwise, stop.

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I thumb'd you up.

Favor returned.

That's the only point I see wrong in most vegetarian arguments.