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#72 - questionableferret (12/10/2014) [-]
Problem is studies like these:
Prove that even if they can do the work and have proven their worth they're still getting unfairly skipped over for employment.
In a sane, fair world I'd be against affirmative action too but the problem is people in the black community can't get jobs so they can't earn money so they can't get away from the poisonous cultural elements that give those societies bad names so their kids end up being born into those societies meaning they just keep growing and there's no chance of them shrinking outside of the government literally going in and evicting them and spreading them all around the place which nobody would be too happy with.
Affirmative action is to help get blacks work, but more than anything it's to try and fix the broken communities, stereotypes, etc. that fill the whole culture of the US.
(I mean, it's not like those poisonous stereotypes are levied only against black people. Areas of poverty in other countries see very similar forms of behaviour and discrimination, even when the majority of people living there are white. You gotta fight the poverty, not the poor people, y'know?)
#103 - lean (12/10/2014) [-]
What comes in to question are whether the laws in place produce results from their good intentions. Creating laws that do not get results are pointless dead weight. How about harsher penalties for discrimination, and funding for a group that monitors and investigates claims, instead of laws granting rights to specific groups that create favor for or against races? All men are created equal should apply to all men and women, not just to some who therefore create laws "protecting" these "victimized" "unfortunate" races. Are so called "minority" races less worthy? Do they by dint of their very nature come at a lower value or worth than the "superior" white race? If that answer is yes- you are a racist and your world view is skewed. If that answer is no- than why do they have or need specialized laws to help them and only them? Workplace Discrimination is illegal. Enforce it. Don't stereotype and categorize an entire race of people as "less fortunate needs help" because all it does is stigmatize that race in society. Poor laws with good intentions are far less useful that laws with good results.
#183 - questionableferret (12/11/2014) [-]
I can see where you're coming from but the fact is that workplace discrimination is awful and it does exist but to enforce it on the scale that is necessary would not fix the problem, because at the end of the day you're still forcing people to hire people they wouldn't initially want to hire, only this time you're also fiscally penalising the businesses or taking away their workers to be put in prison so they need to find new recruiting agents, which you could argue would only worsen discrimination in the workplace without tackling the root cause of the discrimination in the first place.
Atop that, it would be far more expensive to enforce that and whilst it could be enforced it would require budget-reallocation.
And it's not like you an just drop the scheme because if you do that the problem doesn't get any better and yet more black people are put back into the ghetto with no means of climbing out of it.
Affirmative action's not a pretty solution, but it's the best one that can be managed at the moment. Equality is all fine and good but you can only have equality in legislation if the people are treated equally, and that is just overwhelmingly not the case in the USA, which is saddening.
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