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#3 - moshthun (12/09/2013) [-]
Copy pasted from tumblr, because I didn't feel like explaining all this shit again.
The Eagles are part of what’s called The Arda. Along with the Ents*, the Eagles are not effected by the tidings of the humans, the elves (to a degree, the elders of the first age imbued them with life - but the elders were essentially demigods in their own right) or the dwarves. They simply do not care. For why would they? The eagles have no agenda that is compromised by Sauron’s oppression.
The eagles are arrogant. Their pride would keep them from simply delivering people into Mordor like a taxi. Furthermore, Gwaihir (the Eagle lord**) is a Maia spirit (the same rank of Valar as Gandalf) and hence, after the fall of Morgoth, is bound by Valar law to not deceive fellow Valar; and hence would have had to tell Gwaihir that he has the one ring - there is nothing stopping the other eagles from just stealing the ring for their selves and coveting it at their eerie.
The only reason they help Gandalf is because Gwaihir owes him a favour. The only obligation the eagles have to help anyone else is to Radagast the Brown (of the Istari, the same order that Gandalf, pre-descent Saruman, and the two blue wizards Alatar and Pallando) because he basically gave Thorondor and the other eagles the rank of Maia, by essentially instructing the early Maia on how to morph into them. Gwaihir owed Gandalf a small favour, not winning the entire war.
#4 - moshthun (12/09/2013) [-]
The main reason that the eagles didn’t help more is this: The Maia (Minor Valar - the Valar are the LOTR Deities) are there to guide. Gandalf is a Maia, he is a teacher to the people of middle earth; and, just as a teacher doesn’t take your exams for you, he didn’t fight their fights for them. Gandalf was so powerful*** he was forbidden from challenging Sauron directly and, along with the other Istari, forbidden from dominating the people of middle earth. He could’ve stood outside the gates of Minas Tirith, farted and every orc there (including the Witch King of Angmar - his supposed equivalent) would have dropped dead. Same principle applies to Gwaihir, he can only guide, he couldn’t win the war for them.
*The ents only get involved because half of them have been exterminated by Saruman lawl.
**Strictly speaking, Gwaihir is the Windlord and Thorondor was the original Eagle Lord in the first age. But it’s third age now so, hey ho.
***Incidentally Gandalf, or Olorin The Wise as he was known before passing to Middle Earth was actually more powerful than Saruman (as stated by Manwe.) The only reason Saruman was head of the order was due to Gandalf’s modesty and the fact that Saruman and the then Gorthaur (Sauron) both studied under Aule. Hence he was more familiar with the types of weaponry that would be used against them.
#6 - anonymous (12/09/2013) [-]
It didn't seem like Gandalf was holding back against the witch king when they went head to head, and his staff was shattered into a million peices?
#31 - anonymous (12/10/2013) [-]
im about 75% sure that didnt happen in the book, and was peter jackson wanting to film an awesome scene
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