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|#18 - As well as forcing advertisement into people minds. So the com…||07/07/2014 on The Mass Media||0|
|#15 - CS? [+] (1 new reply)||07/07/2014 on The Mass Media||0|
|#11 - "Private property" is a concept invented by the soci… [+] (23 new replies)||07/07/2014 on The Mass Media||-2|
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#35 - allamericandude (07/07/2014) [-]
"If i own a gun, should i be allowed to shoot you whenever i want without your permission?"
Shooting people has nothing to do with the concept of private property. No, I can't shoot you. But you can't take my gun away from me if I own it. That's the point of private property.
"Then explain me why companies should be allowed to rub advertisement all over your face without asking you if they can do so?"
That's like asking "Why should someone be allowed to talk to me if I didn't ask them to?" The answer: Because you can choose to ignore them.
Don't like ads on TV? Turn it off. Don't like ads on the web? Turn it off or use Adblock, duh . Don't like ads on billboards? Don't read them. But of course no one's going to do that. Our society and its culture of entitlement thinks that we shouldn't have to use effort to make our own lives better--someone else should do it for us.
#30 - adu (07/07/2014) [-]
What kind of bullshit false comparison even is that? Either you're being intellectually dishonest right now, or you lack any concept or recognition of logical fallacies.
A more likely comparison would be, "If I owned a car that you didn't like, should I be able to drive it where you can see it?"
Ask yourself this: what logical limitations can we impose on advertisers?
Every advert comes from a place of personal ownership of resources and property. That being said, any law that applies to a business, must also apply to an individual; if it were otherwise, the loopholing would make the change useless.
So suddenly, nobody is allowed to advertise in public space anymore. What then? They advertise inside private space only. But what is this limited to? Billboards? Bus ads? That's only a petty fraction of advertisements. What even counts as an advertisement? If nobody is allowed to advertise in public space, what does that mean for free speech? What does that mean for what you're allowed to do with your own property? That band T-shirt you like can no longer be worn, because it's a form of advertising. That poster you hang in your livingroom is visible from the street; you need to take it down. That radio station you're listening to is playing an ad too loud, and those around you don't consent. Turn it off. That bumper sticker you have for the politician, event, or activity you like needs to be removed. Do you see how this doesn't work? Do you see how this cripples every freedom of every individual and enterprise?
Fuck that. You don't need to ask for permission to do something with your own god damn property. And you don't have to justify to other people why you make the decisions you make. This applies to collectives just as much as it does individuals.
People need to learn not to be such edgy thin-skinned motherfuckers.
#33 - Customer Services (07/07/2014) [-]
The concept of advertisement is not psychologically harmful, but the WAY it is used nowadays is. You can't deny it, do you? Let's take for example the whole "Photoshoped women in advertisement can affect young girl self-esteem" thing. There is nearly no limitations imposed to the advertisers, as long that their advertisement are socially acceptable, doesn't break laws, etc... The point i want to come to is that "enterprise freedom" is used in a abusive, and potentially harmful way, for the simple purpose of always making more fucking money, without giving a single shit of the social consequences.
People usually don't understand that one's freedom stops where other's people freedom begin.
It is quite ironic that you talk about intellectual dishonesty while you are defending people that doesn't care however the fuck up everybody, including you, as long as the money keep flowing for them.
#34 - adu (07/07/2014) [-]
Explain how it can be harmful, in terms that can't apply to the private property of an individual. How is a billboard more harmful in depicting an unrealistic woman, when there are posters, car decals, tattoos, Tshirts, movies, shows, and videogames? They do the exact same, all at the consent of the consumer that bought them, but are visible in public space to those who do not consent. You're right about one thing, the freedoms of one person should stop at the point where they start infringing on the freedoms of others. Freedom of expression is a right held by businesses and individuals alike, and shouldn't be infringed on for the sake of the self esteem of a passerby.
#44 - Customer Services (07/07/2014) [-]
So for you making money > Psychological well being of people? If you answer positively, i will know it's not worth arguing with you anymore. By the way, "self esteem" have a major influence on your self-confidence, which partly, but significantly define how successful you will become in your beloved capitalism business society (Think i'm bullshitting? Try to find a good C.E.O with no self-confidence at all). By influencing negatively the self-esteem of psychologically sensitive people, you are restraining their potential of becoming sucessful and accomplished member of the society. Tell me how that is not harmful?.
#73 - adu (07/07/2014) [-]
A person's self-esteem is their own choice. Your self esteem has the power to change your environment, not the other way around. Advertisements don't tell anyone they're worthless, they don't tell anyone they're stupid or ugly, those are things people tell themselves. Why? Because they choose to. They choose to have low self esteem. Whenever I see a buff gentleman in advertising, I think "I'm not as fit as that guy, but I don't have to be, because that's not how I define my self worth."
People that lose self-esteem over seeing pretty and attractive people on advertisements are as thin-skinned as women who cry rape at every compliment and passing glance.
#75 - Customer Services (07/07/2014) [-]
If you actually think that's you're in total control of everything you're exposed too and that you have the power to "choose" what is gonna influence you, you're 100% wrong. Many thing you will hear, see, taste, smell, or touch in your life will influence, even in ways you could imagine, without you can even know it. It's the same way for advertising. You can cheer yourself up as in your example, but any personnality / neuropsycholgy specialized scholar will tell you that many parts of the brains that influence your behavior / personnality / etc... doesn't work that way.
Source: 3 Years as a psychology student. Trust me, things we clearly know about the human brain are a droplet in an ocean of what we ignore.
#76 - adu (07/07/2014) [-]
Ever take a philosophy course in that training? Because you should probably know what the words "appeal to authority" mean.
And yes, things can build up, but it's not everyone's irrevocable fate to become the victim, and it's not the government's place to tell us what we can say or advertise. Regardless if there is any substantial, quantifiable effect, it's not something worth trashing personal liberties for.
#17 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/07/2014) [-]
Not being able to shoot whoever you want is just a concept invented by our society.
#16 - targaryren (07/07/2014) [-]
because they own the space were it belongs
now of course I don't think all advertisement is appropriate, but it can hardly be compared to shooting someone
I mean...sure even I feel bad about myself when I see some ads, big deal
doesn't give you the write to damage and steal with something someone else owns
besides, lots of stuff is just a concept invented by society, doesn't make it any more or less legitimate
#23 - Customer Services (07/07/2014) [-]
I see your point, but we apparently both agree on the fact that mass advertising can be a bad thing, right? Therefore, ethically talking, how bad is it to damage something that can be considered to you? (Through, we could also hypothetically speak about not using any illegal ways). The point is i'm not okay with mass advertising Thanks ADblock.
#32 - adu (07/07/2014) [-]
Advertising can in no way be damaging to anyone except for psychologically. If you honestly think that advertisements are psychologically damaging, then your'e getting into a self-victimization mindset of tumblr proportions. If something makes you feel bad or inadequate, either work to become better, or realize that your goals in life are different. Just because you'll see things that you want to be, but aren't, doesn't give you privileges.
#19 - Maroon (07/07/2014) [-]
I think everyone in this convo completely missed the point of the post. It's not about societal constructs or what the fuck ever, it's simply about the overbearing reach corporations have into our personal lives and their constant desire for even more. Just look at all the underhanded ways they are using just to screw you over harder: ridiculous copyright laws, trademarking common fucking words in the English language, constant attempts to take control of the internet. I could go on but I'm lazy.
#13 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/07/2014) [-]
dude this is the first time the CS really says anything useful
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#97 - bluemagebrilly (06/26/2014) [-]
Minato and Kushina surviving also would have kept Danzo from getting Shisui's eye, because Minato would have probably just out right killed Danzo for that, unlike Sarutobi who just let him do it. That alone would have let them deal with the Uchiha with Shisui's "control the clan head" plan, or Minato could have simply dealt with it diplomatically.
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Cool. I had heard there was more to the whole itachi kills everyone thing but not sure how it tied together. I watched Naruto on CN as a kid and when puberty hit i started watching the subs online. Not very far at all. Netflix original series have hijacked my anime life. Thanks for the info guy!
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