Fencing is exceedingly violent? How is fencing any more violent compared to more archaic styles while using weapons like two handed swords?

Also, as I have said when a weapon is too light the weight will simply mess with your movements, making them too fast and unbalanced. At least that is the case for me as I use the weapon as counterweight for advanced maneuvers, momentum conservation, and stance recovery. It is a chore to use a weightless weapon two handed as it doesn't allow for any smooth transition between attacks.

Also, I will have to disagree with the notion that using fencing techniques would lead you to losing at arm. I mean yes Anakin did that to Dooku at the start of episode 3, but then again, Dooku did the same to Anakin episode earlier.

Any swordman worth their salt is going to learn how to parry in a manner as to keep their opponents from cutting off their arms and fingers, and In my opinion, fencing is actually much safer than using the weapon as longsword, because it revolves around staying behind your weapon at all times.

''And no, if your two handed argument were valid the katana and longsword would only be used in one hand or both not swap from one to both, there are situations that benefit one or two handed styles, and restricting yourself to just one or the other gimps you in the situations where you need the other because you don't practice it.''

Except that longsword is in a category of swords too heavy for comfortable one handed usage, unless the user is strong enough, and katana is a sword without pommel with blade heavy balance. Both of them are weapons not suited better for one handed usage than for two handed usage. Lightsaber on the other hand is a flashlight with a beam sticking out of it, weighting practically nothing, with pommel heavy balance.

''Numerous styles focus on speed and precision, one of the most over hyped japanese styles is about killing your opponent with the drawing of your blade, something i think would be extremely effective with lightsabers, but yet again its far too violent to be adopted by the jedi.''

Even If I were to ignore the fact the jedi would have to ambush their target at the lenght of their lightsabers to utilize something like that, what I have meant was continuous focus on speed and precision, not sudden attacks meant to quickly end the fight.

In fact, Iaijutsu is focused on element of surprise and quick elimination of your opponent, not switching between active defense and aggressive offense like fencing is. Besides I am not even sure if there would be any point in using Iaijutsu techniques without having any scabbard to speak of.

''Japanese styles are like dance routines, and the person who dances best wins far more often than not, which i cant say for fencing, sure it happens more often than not, but not as much as with japanese styles. In japanese culture a double is a sign of extremely even matches, yet i see doubles happen between good fencers against bad fencers all the time.''

The problem is that modern fencing is done with foil, a wobbly weapon too hard to follow properly and use properly, which is the reason for doubles to happen so often really. Give both fencers a backsword and you will see their control and reaction times will improve dramatically, if only because the blade is solid (allowing for better parrying and blocking), and more easily visible.

''Japan having a story of someone beating the shit out of a bunch of robbers with nothing but a boats oar, because rather than need a balanced blade with quillons of this length, a guard of this diameter and a pommel this heavy to be the most effective''

I am almost positive that person (If this is true at all, as Japan also has stories of people cutting solid rocks in half) used the oar as polearm, rather than sword. If you tried to use something as heavy and unbalanced as that as sword, I can guarantee it would end badly, especially if the person in question is outnumbered.

Well, I will have to disagree with you there. Fencing has gotten prominent because it made plate armor effectively useless, while also allowing the fencer practically to dance around anyone encased in heavy armor, delivering quick and effective attacks while making it pretty much impossible for the opposition to do the same.

What you see nowadays is people using foils and toys like that, but the fact is that by the time fencing became widespread, weapons associated with that style were fairly light, rigid, and extremely pointy, sort of like lightsabers that are practically same, except they can also cut and can cut damn well.


The main appeal with longsword is that it allows for wide range of movements and techniques, while having enough weight and balance to be used both against fast, and heavy opponents. But When you have a melee weapon that weights practically nothing, while being able to cut practically through anything and everything, the only remaining desirable attributes are speed and mobility, pretty much two attributes where fencing style excels.

I agree fencing style is not the best of any style, because with every combat discipline, there is a weapon type best suited for it, but it is most certainly best style for usage with light-saber in my opinion, as it focuses on speed, mobility, and simple and fast movements.

Also, the argument that two handed grip is is more controllable is only true if the weapon is too heavy to be used one handed without any problems. If it is, then using both hands is downright uncomfortable, since it doesn't keep any residual energy from your attack to allow easier stance recovery, or continuation of attack, something I prefer to call flow, which is extremely important, as most weapons styles including kendo have great deal of focus on utilizing the weight and residual energy in their techniques.

I mean try to take a light knife with long handle and swing it a couple of times one handed, then try swinging it with both hands afterwards.

Fencing is exceedingly violent? How is fencing any more violent compared to more archaic styles while using weapons like two handed swords?

Also, as I have said when a weapon is too light the weight will simply mess with your movements, making them too fast and unbalanced. At least that is the case for me as I use the weapon as counterweight for advanced maneuvers, momentum conservation, and stance recovery. It is a chore to use a weightless weapon two handed as it doesn't allow for any smooth transition between attacks.

Also, I will have to disagree with the notion that using fencing techniques would lead you to losing at arm. I mean yes Anakin did that to Dooku at the start of episode 3, but then again, Dooku did the same to Anakin episode earlier.

Any swordman worth their salt is going to learn how to parry in a manner as to keep their opponents from cutting off their arms and fingers, and In my opinion, fencing is actually much safer than using the weapon as longsword, because it revolves around staying behind your weapon at all times.

''And no, if your two handed argument were valid the katana and longsword would only be used in one hand or both not swap from one to both, there are situations that benefit one or two handed styles, and restricting yourself to just one or the other gimps you in the situations where you need the other because you don't practice it.''

Except that longsword is in a category of swords too heavy for comfortable one handed usage, unless the user is strong enough, and katana is a sword without pommel with blade heavy balance. Both of them are weapons not suited better for one handed usage than for two handed usage. Lightsaber on the other hand is a flashlight with a beam sticking out of it, weighting practically nothing, with pommel heavy balance.

''Numerous styles focus on speed and precision, one of the most over hyped japanese styles is about killing your opponent with the drawing of your blade, something i think would be extremely effective with lightsabers, but yet again its far too violent to be adopted by the jedi.''

Even If I were to ignore the fact the jedi would have to ambush their target at the lenght of their lightsabers to utilize something like that, what I have meant was continuous focus on speed and precision, not sudden attacks meant to quickly end the fight.

In fact, Iaijutsu is focused on element of surprise and quick elimination of your opponent, not switching between active defense and aggressive offense like fencing is. Besides I am not even sure if there would be any point in using Iaijutsu techniques without having any scabbard to speak of.

''Japanese styles are like dance routines, and the person who dances best wins far more often than not, which i cant say for fencing, sure it happens more often than not, but not as much as with japanese styles. In japanese culture a double is a sign of extremely even matches, yet i see doubles happen between good fencers against bad fencers all the time.''

The problem is that modern fencing is done with foil, a wobbly weapon too hard to follow properly and use properly, which is the reason for doubles to happen so often really. Give both fencers a backsword and you will see their control and reaction times will improve dramatically, if only because the blade is solid (allowing for better parrying and blocking), and more easily visible.

''Japan having a story of someone beating the shit out of a bunch of robbers with nothing but a boats oar, because rather than need a balanced blade with quillons of this length, a guard of this diameter and a pommel this heavy to be the most effective''

I am almost positive that person (If this is true at all, as Japan also has stories of people cutting solid rocks in half) used the oar as polearm, rather than sword. If you tried to use something as heavy and unbalanced as that as sword, I can guarantee it would end badly, especially if the person in question is outnumbered.

*If it isn't, then using both hands is downright uncomfortable*

Arming swords do have weight to them though, considerably more than lighsaber handle can ever have. The thing is, one handed usage allows of much greater deal of mobility and freedom of movement, since you dont have to switch stance sides to ensure your other hand will not end up limiting the range of your motion, which is my biggest irk when using two handed weapons.

I understand that there are certain reasons, but judging from how they moved while dueling in the movie, it seems extremely unreasonable to use kendo stance, techniques and moves, while using something as unbalanced and hilt centered like light saber. The weapon is practically begging to be used for quick repeated lunges and wrist focused light slashes, since there is practically zero weight behind the blade.

But well, rule of cool applies I suppose. I mean, movies like those, they aren't probably made with demography like us in mind.

Well, I will have to disagree with you there. Fencing has gotten prominent because it made plate armor effectively useless, while also allowing the fencer practically to dance around anyone encased in heavy armor, delivering quick and effective attacks while making it pretty much impossible for the opposition to do the same.

What you see nowadays is people using foils and toys like that, but the fact is that by the time fencing became widespread, weapons associated with that style were fairly light, rigid, and extremely pointy, sort of like lightsabers that are practically same, except they can also cut and can cut damn well.


The main appeal with longsword is that it allows for wide range of movements and techniques, while having enough weight and balance to be used both against fast, and heavy opponents. But When you have a melee weapon that weights practically nothing, while being able to cut practically through anything and everything, the only remaining desirable attributes are speed and mobility, pretty much two attributes where fencing style excels.

I agree fencing style is not the best of any style, because with every combat discipline, there is a weapon type best suited for it, but it is most certainly best style for usage with light-saber in my opinion, as it focuses on speed, mobility, and simple and fast movements.

Also, the argument that two handed grip is is more controllable is only true if the weapon is too heavy to be used one handed without any problems. If it is, then using both hands is downright uncomfortable, since it doesn't keep any residual energy from your attack to allow easier stance recovery, or continuation of attack, something I prefer to call flow, which is extremely important, as most weapons styles including kendo have great deal of focus on utilizing the weight and residual energy in their techniques.

I mean try to take a light knife with long handle and swing it a couple of times one handed, then try swinging it with both hands afterwards.

Fencing is exceedingly violent? How is fencing any more violent compared to more archaic styles while using weapons like two handed swords?

Also, as I have said when a weapon is too light the weight will simply mess with your movements, making them too fast and unbalanced. At least that is the case for me as I use the weapon as counterweight for advanced maneuvers, momentum conservation, and stance recovery. It is a chore to use a weightless weapon two handed as it doesn't allow for any smooth transition between attacks.

Also, I will have to disagree with the notion that using fencing techniques would lead you to losing at arm. I mean yes Anakin did that to Dooku at the start of episode 3, but then again, Dooku did the same to Anakin episode earlier.

Any swordman worth their salt is going to learn how to parry in a manner as to keep their opponents from cutting off their arms and fingers, and In my opinion, fencing is actually much safer than using the weapon as longsword, because it revolves around staying behind your weapon at all times.

''And no, if your two handed argument were valid the katana and longsword would only be used in one hand or both not swap from one to both, there are situations that benefit one or two handed styles, and restricting yourself to just one or the other gimps you in the situations where you need the other because you don't practice it.''

Except that longsword is in a category of swords too heavy for comfortable one handed usage, unless the user is strong enough, and katana is a sword without pommel with blade heavy balance. Both of them are weapons not suited better for one handed usage than for two handed usage. Lightsaber on the other hand is a flashlight with a beam sticking out of it, weighting practically nothing, with pommel heavy balance.

''Numerous styles focus on speed and precision, one of the most over hyped japanese styles is about killing your opponent with the drawing of your blade, something i think would be extremely effective with lightsabers, but yet again its far too violent to be adopted by the jedi.''

Even If I were to ignore the fact the jedi would have to ambush their target at the lenght of their lightsabers to utilize something like that, what I have meant was continuous focus on speed and precision, not sudden attacks meant to quickly end the fight.

In fact, Iaijutsu is focused on element of surprise and quick elimination of your opponent, not switching between active defense and aggressive offense like fencing is. Besides I am not even sure if there would be any point in using Iaijutsu techniques without having any scabbard to speak of.

''Japanese styles are like dance routines, and the person who dances best wins far more often than not, which i cant say for fencing, sure it happens more often than not, but not as much as with japanese styles. In japanese culture a double is a sign of extremely even matches, yet i see doubles happen between good fencers against bad fencers all the time.''

The problem is that modern fencing is done with foil, a wobbly weapon too hard to follow properly and use properly, which is the reason for doubles to happen so often really. Give both fencers a backsword and you will see their control and reaction times will improve dramatically, if only because the blade is solid (allowing for better parrying and blocking), and more easily visible.

''Japan having a story of someone beating the shit out of a bunch of robbers with nothing but a boats oar, because rather than need a balanced blade with quillons of this length, a guard of this diameter and a pommel this heavy to be the most effective''

I am almost positive that person (If this is true at all, as Japan also has stories of people cutting solid rocks in half) used the oar as polearm, rather than sword. If you tried to use something as heavy and unbalanced as that as sword, I can guarantee it would end badly, especially if the person in question is outnumbered.

*If it isn't, then using both hands is downright uncomfortable*

Depends on what weapon you use. Something tip heavy like an axe or a mace? Yeah. But a flashlight with weightless beam sticking out of it? Hell no. Balance of a weapon is important thing to consider when using it, and if lighsabers actually existed, those using them as rapier would have incredible advantage over those who use them like two handed swords, simply because rapier style is focused on speed and precision, fields where lighsabers absolutely squander any opposition.

Strength becomes completely irrelevant with a weapon that can effortlessly cut plates of steel like paper.

I mean, I understand it looks cool from cinematic point of view to swing them like baseball bats, but those weapons are completely unfit for two handed usage.

Arming swords do have weight to them though, considerably more than lighsaber handle can ever have. The thing is, one handed usage allows of much greater deal of mobility and freedom of movement, since you dont have to switch stance sides to ensure your other hand will not end up limiting the range of your motion, which is my biggest irk when using two handed weapons.

I understand that there are certain reasons, but judging from how they moved while dueling in the movie, it seems extremely unreasonable to use kendo stance, techniques and moves, while using something as unbalanced and hilt centered like light saber. The weapon is practically begging to be used for quick repeated lunges and wrist focused light slashes, since there is practically zero weight behind the blade.

But well, rule of cool applies I suppose. I mean, movies like those, they aren't probably made with demography like us in mind.

Well, I will have to disagree with you there. Fencing has gotten prominent because it made plate armor effectively useless, while also allowing the fencer practically to dance around anyone encased in heavy armor, delivering quick and effective attacks while making it pretty much impossible for the opposition to do the same.

What you see nowadays is people using foils and toys like that, but the fact is that by the time fencing became widespread, weapons associated with that style were fairly light, rigid, and extremely pointy, sort of like lightsabers that are practically same, except they can also cut and can cut damn well.


The main appeal with longsword is that it allows for wide range of movements and techniques, while having enough weight and balance to be used both against fast, and heavy opponents. But When you have a melee weapon that weights practically nothing, while being able to cut practically through anything and everything, the only remaining desirable attributes are speed and mobility, pretty much two attributes where fencing style excels.

I agree fencing style is not the best of any style, because with every combat discipline, there is a weapon type best suited for it, but it is most certainly best style for usage with light-saber in my opinion, as it focuses on speed, mobility, and simple and fast movements.

Also, the argument that two handed grip is is more controllable is only true if the weapon is too heavy to be used one handed without any problems. If it is, then using both hands is downright uncomfortable, since it doesn't keep any residual energy from your attack to allow easier stance recovery, or continuation of attack, something I prefer to call flow, which is extremely important, as most weapons styles including kendo have great deal of focus on utilizing the weight and residual energy in their techniques.

I mean try to take a light knife with long handle and swing it a couple of times one handed, then try swinging it with both hands afterwards.

Fencing is exceedingly violent? How is fencing any more violent compared to more archaic styles while using weapons like two handed swords?

Also, as I have said when a weapon is too light the weight will simply mess with your movements, making them too fast and unbalanced. At least that is the case for me as I use the weapon as counterweight for advanced maneuvers, momentum conservation, and stance recovery. It is a chore to use a weightless weapon two handed as it doesn't allow for any smooth transition between attacks.

Also, I will have to disagree with the notion that using fencing techniques would lead you to losing at arm. I mean yes Anakin did that to Dooku at the start of episode 3, but then again, Dooku did the same to Anakin episode earlier.

Any swordman worth their salt is going to learn how to parry in a manner as to keep their opponents from cutting off their arms and fingers, and In my opinion, fencing is actually much safer than using the weapon as longsword, because it revolves around staying behind your weapon at all times.

''And no, if your two handed argument were valid the katana and longsword would only be used in one hand or both not swap from one to both, there are situations that benefit one or two handed styles, and restricting yourself to just one or the other gimps you in the situations where you need the other because you don't practice it.''

Except that longsword is in a category of swords too heavy for comfortable one handed usage, unless the user is strong enough, and katana is a sword without pommel with blade heavy balance. Both of them are weapons not suited better for one handed usage than for two handed usage. Lightsaber on the other hand is a flashlight with a beam sticking out of it, weighting practically nothing, with pommel heavy balance.

''Numerous styles focus on speed and precision, one of the most over hyped japanese styles is about killing your opponent with the drawing of your blade, something i think would be extremely effective with lightsabers, but yet again its far too violent to be adopted by the jedi.''

Even If I were to ignore the fact the jedi would have to ambush their target at the lenght of their lightsabers to utilize something like that, what I have meant was continuous focus on speed and precision, not sudden attacks meant to quickly end the fight.

In fact, Iaijutsu is focused on element of surprise and quick elimination of your opponent, not switching between active defense and aggressive offense like fencing is. Besides I am not even sure if there would be any point in using Iaijutsu techniques without having any scabbard to speak of.

''Japanese styles are like dance routines, and the person who dances best wins far more often than not, which i cant say for fencing, sure it happens more often than not, but not as much as with japanese styles. In japanese culture a double is a sign of extremely even matches, yet i see doubles happen between good fencers against bad fencers all the time.''

The problem is that modern fencing is done with foil, a wobbly weapon too hard to follow properly and use properly, which is the reason for doubles to happen so often really. Give both fencers a backsword and you will see their control and reaction times will improve dramatically, if only because the blade is solid (allowing for better parrying and blocking), and more easily visible.

''Japan having a story of someone beating the shit out of a bunch of robbers with nothing but a boats oar, because rather than need a balanced blade with quillons of this length, a guard of this diameter and a pommel this heavy to be the most effective''

I am almost positive that person (If this is true at all, as Japan also has stories of people cutting solid rocks in half) used the oar as polearm, rather than sword. If you tried to use something as heavy and unbalanced as that as sword, I can guarantee it would end badly, especially if the person in question is outnumbered.

*If it isn't, then using both hands is downright uncomfortable*