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#318 - No one earns depression or self-hatred and it's people like yo… 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
#163 - Aside from you deciding what bravery implies, I will take that…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
User avatar #164 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
good we agree on something, let's stop before we fuck that up again
#159 - "I was able to get over that **** , anyone ca… 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
#158 - Well first of all, I searched "bravery" and then &qu…  [+] (3 new replies) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
User avatar #162 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
Well arguing definitions is getting us nowhere. How about arguing context.

Bravery implies that there was an inevitable decision that needed to be made and you went through with the decision without fear.

A soldier knows that the country needs him, a cancer patient knows he needs treatment, you don't know you need to cut. You choose to cut and may "feel" like you have no options. However, cutting isn't like a medication. It doesn't cure your illness. It wasn't part in parcel with your issues. You chose to cut. You indulged in cutting. It wasn't bravery at all. Now, I won't be cruel and call it cowardice, but I won't allow you to cheapen the strength required to be brave when you ascribe it to what can best be described as being too weak to seek the more difficult path to treatment.

Would it not have required more bravery NOT to cut? To endure without release? To have had to seek out alternative methods despite the strong urge to self harm. Self harm is succumbing to weakness, not overcoming it. Just because you went through it doesn't mean it is something worth praising.

The best I can say is stopping is brave. That's it. I'll give you that stopping is plenty brave. You find yourself at an inevitable, fear inducing decision, and you make the choice that arguably would lead to more pain without flinching.

That is bravery.
#163 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Aside from you deciding what bravery implies, I will take that. It does require bravery to stop. I personally have never cut, so I can't give my opinion on whether or not it is indulging to cut, but I will say that stopping is brave. Yes.
User avatar #164 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
good we agree on something, let's stop before we fuck that up again
#153 - Fun fact, I actually googled the definition of bravery and fea…  [+] (5 new replies) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
User avatar #155 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
really, well so did I. Those lines I pasted were all the definitions given when I did "define: brave"
#158 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Well first of all, I searched "bravery" and then "courage." Second, the third definition that you gave is the definition of the verb.

The other two definitions of the actual noun say nothing about enduring pain WITHOUT fear. They just say that one must endure it. Which is what I said exactly.
User avatar #162 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
Well arguing definitions is getting us nowhere. How about arguing context.

Bravery implies that there was an inevitable decision that needed to be made and you went through with the decision without fear.

A soldier knows that the country needs him, a cancer patient knows he needs treatment, you don't know you need to cut. You choose to cut and may "feel" like you have no options. However, cutting isn't like a medication. It doesn't cure your illness. It wasn't part in parcel with your issues. You chose to cut. You indulged in cutting. It wasn't bravery at all. Now, I won't be cruel and call it cowardice, but I won't allow you to cheapen the strength required to be brave when you ascribe it to what can best be described as being too weak to seek the more difficult path to treatment.

Would it not have required more bravery NOT to cut? To endure without release? To have had to seek out alternative methods despite the strong urge to self harm. Self harm is succumbing to weakness, not overcoming it. Just because you went through it doesn't mean it is something worth praising.

The best I can say is stopping is brave. That's it. I'll give you that stopping is plenty brave. You find yourself at an inevitable, fear inducing decision, and you make the choice that arguably would lead to more pain without flinching.

That is bravery.
#163 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Aside from you deciding what bravery implies, I will take that. It does require bravery to stop. I personally have never cut, so I can't give my opinion on whether or not it is indulging to cut, but I will say that stopping is brave. Yes.
User avatar #164 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
good we agree on something, let's stop before we fuck that up again
#152 - Generalizing the entire population based on your sole experien…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
#157 - castial (12/02/2013) [-]
Not generalizing the entire population just sharing my thoughts on it. not saying its how it works for everyone
#159 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
"I was able to get over that shit, anyone can"

Anyone implies everyone.
#148 - I never defined bravery as the endurance of pain without fear.…  [+] (7 new replies) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
User avatar #150 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
You aren't the one who is allowed to define bravery. The English language defines bravery. The English language defines bravery most simply as "the endurance of pain without fear".

ready to face and endure danger or pain

endure or face (unpleasant conditions or behaviour) without showing fear

You can't just ignore the language and make up your own definition.
#153 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Fun fact, I actually googled the definition of bravery and fear. Stop assuming that I just created my own definition of a word to back up my argument.
User avatar #155 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
really, well so did I. Those lines I pasted were all the definitions given when I did "define: brave"
#158 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Well first of all, I searched "bravery" and then "courage." Second, the third definition that you gave is the definition of the verb.

The other two definitions of the actual noun say nothing about enduring pain WITHOUT fear. They just say that one must endure it. Which is what I said exactly.
User avatar #162 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
Well arguing definitions is getting us nowhere. How about arguing context.

Bravery implies that there was an inevitable decision that needed to be made and you went through with the decision without fear.

A soldier knows that the country needs him, a cancer patient knows he needs treatment, you don't know you need to cut. You choose to cut and may "feel" like you have no options. However, cutting isn't like a medication. It doesn't cure your illness. It wasn't part in parcel with your issues. You chose to cut. You indulged in cutting. It wasn't bravery at all. Now, I won't be cruel and call it cowardice, but I won't allow you to cheapen the strength required to be brave when you ascribe it to what can best be described as being too weak to seek the more difficult path to treatment.

Would it not have required more bravery NOT to cut? To endure without release? To have had to seek out alternative methods despite the strong urge to self harm. Self harm is succumbing to weakness, not overcoming it. Just because you went through it doesn't mean it is something worth praising.

The best I can say is stopping is brave. That's it. I'll give you that stopping is plenty brave. You find yourself at an inevitable, fear inducing decision, and you make the choice that arguably would lead to more pain without flinching.

That is bravery.
#163 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Aside from you deciding what bravery implies, I will take that. It does require bravery to stop. I personally have never cut, so I can't give my opinion on whether or not it is indulging to cut, but I will say that stopping is brave. Yes.
User avatar #164 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
good we agree on something, let's stop before we fuck that up again
#146 - I completely disagree. I don't know you or if you've self-harm…  [+] (13 new replies) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot 0
#149 - castial (12/02/2013) [-]
I've done all of it, I've hated myself with every fiber of my being, I hurt myself, starved myself, dragged a knife across my neck just breaking the skin enough to bleed, its not bravery. Those men and women who go and put their lives on the line, thats bravery, the other is merely the need for empathy to be constant, you have to just be done with all the bullshit, look at yourself and think is this really what I am going to do with my life, sit here in self loathing for no fucking reason. I was able to get over that shit, anyone can
#152 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Generalizing the entire population based on your sole experience is what causes problems like this in the first place. Whoever made this thought that they were more brave than soldiers because they self-harmed. They made a generalization based upon their one experience and applied it to a group of people.
#157 - castial (12/02/2013) [-]
Not generalizing the entire population just sharing my thoughts on it. not saying its how it works for everyone
#159 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
"I was able to get over that shit, anyone can"

Anyone implies everyone.
User avatar #147 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
you just redefined brave again.

You were scared. You had fear. You just said so. Braver = enduring pain WITHOUT fear.
#148 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
I never defined bravery as the endurance of pain without fear. Bravery is defined as the act of doing something with courage. And furthermore, courage is defined as the ability of doing something that frightens one. Don't put words in my mouth. Yes I was scared. Yes I dealt with it. Yes I'm still dealing with it. Yes I'm still scared. It doesn't mean I'm any less brave for being scared.
User avatar #150 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
You aren't the one who is allowed to define bravery. The English language defines bravery. The English language defines bravery most simply as "the endurance of pain without fear".

ready to face and endure danger or pain

endure or face (unpleasant conditions or behaviour) without showing fear

You can't just ignore the language and make up your own definition.
#153 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Fun fact, I actually googled the definition of bravery and fear. Stop assuming that I just created my own definition of a word to back up my argument.
User avatar #155 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
really, well so did I. Those lines I pasted were all the definitions given when I did "define: brave"
#158 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Well first of all, I searched "bravery" and then "courage." Second, the third definition that you gave is the definition of the verb.

The other two definitions of the actual noun say nothing about enduring pain WITHOUT fear. They just say that one must endure it. Which is what I said exactly.
User avatar #162 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
Well arguing definitions is getting us nowhere. How about arguing context.

Bravery implies that there was an inevitable decision that needed to be made and you went through with the decision without fear.

A soldier knows that the country needs him, a cancer patient knows he needs treatment, you don't know you need to cut. You choose to cut and may "feel" like you have no options. However, cutting isn't like a medication. It doesn't cure your illness. It wasn't part in parcel with your issues. You chose to cut. You indulged in cutting. It wasn't bravery at all. Now, I won't be cruel and call it cowardice, but I won't allow you to cheapen the strength required to be brave when you ascribe it to what can best be described as being too weak to seek the more difficult path to treatment.

Would it not have required more bravery NOT to cut? To endure without release? To have had to seek out alternative methods despite the strong urge to self harm. Self harm is succumbing to weakness, not overcoming it. Just because you went through it doesn't mean it is something worth praising.

The best I can say is stopping is brave. That's it. I'll give you that stopping is plenty brave. You find yourself at an inevitable, fear inducing decision, and you make the choice that arguably would lead to more pain without flinching.

That is bravery.
#163 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Aside from you deciding what bravery implies, I will take that. It does require bravery to stop. I personally have never cut, so I can't give my opinion on whether or not it is indulging to cut, but I will say that stopping is brave. Yes.
User avatar #164 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
good we agree on something, let's stop before we fuck that up again
#125 - Ok I just want to bring up the fact that these are two totally…  [+] (21 new replies) 12/02/2013 on this post pissed me off a lot +13
User avatar #316 - lesrin (12/02/2013) [-]
cutting your self is a disgrace and you earned what your feeling, your right, life is hard for you in your 1st country, in your warm bed with a roof over your head, you know what? no your undermining everything your soldiers, your country and your parents are doing for you. your parents love you, you have friends and you cut yourself and make them feel like shit cus your life is hard, boooohoooo, like hoenstly, yes life is hard, yes shit sucks, you think i havent though wow this sucks, you think soldiers getting shot at dont think wow fred got shot this shit sucks, every single person here and every person reading this, weve all been hurt, i had a gf of 2 years that i was in love with head over heels, bought her a diamond ring, she slept with a bunch of other guys cheated on me, then told dirty lies after she left, shit sucks, did i cut? no i cried got the fuck over it moved on, lifes hard, cant take it? then fuckin leave, life doesnt have time for someone who cant even get to 20 without giving up

tldr im an asshole but this is the truth
#318 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
No one earns depression or self-hatred and it's people like you who make them not want to get help.
#278 - anonymous (12/02/2013) [-]
As someone who both studies psychiatric issues extensively in his grad school program, and has MDD and a plethora of anxiety issues as well as a history suicidal behavior on rare occasion, I can and will say that while depression is a legitimate thing, and people may want to kill themselves, the people who self-harm without the intent to actually end themselves are fuckin' retards who just want to follow a trend. You can go through life feeling shitty without slicing yourself up. Most of those twats ARE doing it for attention. Most. I understand that a minority of them have serious psychological disturbances, which they probably need to be medicated for, but that's not a normal thing, even for someone with serious depression.
User avatar #288 - Sanko (12/02/2013) [-]
But don't some do it because it releases stress or something? That may be complete bs, I just remember hearing about it.
User avatar #140 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
it's not brave to deal with self esteem issues. It's sad, it's worthy of sympathy, it's tragic, but it's not brave. You can't just arbitrarily redefine words to suit your own opinion of what they should mean. There is nothing about dealing with low self esteem that exemplifies being willing to endure pain without fear. You endure the pain but fear isn't even in the equation. Fear is irrelevant to those who self harm. Either that or their fear is completely disconnected from their pain, and let me tell you, they do fear quite a bit.
#146 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
I completely disagree. I don't know you or if you've self-harmed or starved yourself, or hated yourself so much you just want to stop existing, or all of the above, but I have. And let me tell you, living with that is one of the scariest things you can live with. Finding the courage to wake up the next day and put on a fake smile to get through the day is absolutely one of the bravest things I, as a person, have ever done. And yes I can use words however I'd like, hence the point of writing in general. If you've gone through any of that and you're still here, you don't value how actually brave you are.
#149 - castial (12/02/2013) [-]
I've done all of it, I've hated myself with every fiber of my being, I hurt myself, starved myself, dragged a knife across my neck just breaking the skin enough to bleed, its not bravery. Those men and women who go and put their lives on the line, thats bravery, the other is merely the need for empathy to be constant, you have to just be done with all the bullshit, look at yourself and think is this really what I am going to do with my life, sit here in self loathing for no fucking reason. I was able to get over that shit, anyone can
#152 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Generalizing the entire population based on your sole experience is what causes problems like this in the first place. Whoever made this thought that they were more brave than soldiers because they self-harmed. They made a generalization based upon their one experience and applied it to a group of people.
#157 - castial (12/02/2013) [-]
Not generalizing the entire population just sharing my thoughts on it. not saying its how it works for everyone
#159 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
"I was able to get over that shit, anyone can"

Anyone implies everyone.
User avatar #147 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
you just redefined brave again.

You were scared. You had fear. You just said so. Braver = enduring pain WITHOUT fear.
#148 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
I never defined bravery as the endurance of pain without fear. Bravery is defined as the act of doing something with courage. And furthermore, courage is defined as the ability of doing something that frightens one. Don't put words in my mouth. Yes I was scared. Yes I dealt with it. Yes I'm still dealing with it. Yes I'm still scared. It doesn't mean I'm any less brave for being scared.
User avatar #150 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
You aren't the one who is allowed to define bravery. The English language defines bravery. The English language defines bravery most simply as "the endurance of pain without fear".

ready to face and endure danger or pain

endure or face (unpleasant conditions or behaviour) without showing fear

You can't just ignore the language and make up your own definition.
#153 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Fun fact, I actually googled the definition of bravery and fear. Stop assuming that I just created my own definition of a word to back up my argument.
User avatar #155 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
really, well so did I. Those lines I pasted were all the definitions given when I did "define: brave"
#158 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Well first of all, I searched "bravery" and then "courage." Second, the third definition that you gave is the definition of the verb.

The other two definitions of the actual noun say nothing about enduring pain WITHOUT fear. They just say that one must endure it. Which is what I said exactly.
User avatar #162 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
Well arguing definitions is getting us nowhere. How about arguing context.

Bravery implies that there was an inevitable decision that needed to be made and you went through with the decision without fear.

A soldier knows that the country needs him, a cancer patient knows he needs treatment, you don't know you need to cut. You choose to cut and may "feel" like you have no options. However, cutting isn't like a medication. It doesn't cure your illness. It wasn't part in parcel with your issues. You chose to cut. You indulged in cutting. It wasn't bravery at all. Now, I won't be cruel and call it cowardice, but I won't allow you to cheapen the strength required to be brave when you ascribe it to what can best be described as being too weak to seek the more difficult path to treatment.

Would it not have required more bravery NOT to cut? To endure without release? To have had to seek out alternative methods despite the strong urge to self harm. Self harm is succumbing to weakness, not overcoming it. Just because you went through it doesn't mean it is something worth praising.

The best I can say is stopping is brave. That's it. I'll give you that stopping is plenty brave. You find yourself at an inevitable, fear inducing decision, and you make the choice that arguably would lead to more pain without flinching.

That is bravery.
#163 - ChocolateBubblegum (12/02/2013) [-]
Aside from you deciding what bravery implies, I will take that. It does require bravery to stop. I personally have never cut, so I can't give my opinion on whether or not it is indulging to cut, but I will say that stopping is brave. Yes.
User avatar #164 - Sethorein (12/02/2013) [-]
good we agree on something, let's stop before we fuck that up again
#131 - iwasonaboat (12/02/2013) [-]
I think they should all just die and eliminate their inferior genes from the gene pool.

Problem solved.
User avatar #141 - alecsucks (12/02/2013) [-]
survival of the fitess....
#31 - I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is an amniotic sac … 04/20/2013 on Oh wow, WTF 0

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