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#233 - You know, I used to go to this site a lot. Made it to the top …  [+] (3 new replies) 08/23/2012 on Why the hell not? +6
#238 - anonymous (08/23/2012) [-]
You do realise this guy posted the same shit on 2 different pieces of content? Obviously the faggot wanted to get noticed by idiots who are going to thumb this shit up. As if thousands of other people haven't said the same shit before, there's always someone whining how FJ has changed and this and that. I'm not saying it hasn't changed at all but shit does change, It always will. We can try and mold the change but we cannot stop it.
#253 - anonymous (08/23/2012) [-]
looks like he accidently a word in that first try.
#237 - anonymous (08/23/2012) [-]
Then just leave, no one needs to know you're going. Stop trying to act like you're a fucking hero. Things have changed but there's still gold comments and content here and there. I come to FJ where everything is available to me in one nice package.
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#580 - Alright, finally have a little break from college. Anyway: …  [+] (3 new replies) 09/29/2011 on Atheist qoute 0
User avatar #582 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Although he sees every other possibility that could have happened based off our decisions, he also sees what the future has in store for us. Rather then coming down saying your going to do this then and you are going to do that now, he gave us the gift of free will which ultimately allows us to shape our own future. Just because he knows what the future holds for us docent mean he commanded us to do the acts that led up to that future. the future is not set in stone because we have not made our decisions or chose our actions yet but because he is omniscent he knows how things will turn out anyways. We can not always hope to understand a concept of which that is outside our universe.

The Pythagorean theorem works because that is how god made a part of our universe work. At one point the world said the earth was flat. it was "fact" for a time that the world was flat because it logically made sense to them. any other man that opposed that logic was a fool. well guess what? their logic was wrong. Im not saying the Pythagorean theorem is wrong but much of what we "know" could be wrong

And tell me. if you think I am a fool why do you bother? why doyou insist on keeping an argument on the internet going? why must you waste so much energy on it? do you have nothing else you can waste energy on? You are hypocritical. You cling tothe idea of proving someone wrong no matter how much they really dont care about the argument just because its important for you to be "right" and feel special.I and nearly anyone else in the world would agree that keeping an argument on the internet going for a month is ridiculous. Again, Im fine with my beliefs and yours. I have nothing to prove to a stranger on the internet. Reply back to this all you want with your free will but know that no matter how many times I will see the orange triangle say CaptainObviousMan, I shall not even bother to look anymore. That way I can move on to more important things and you can feel special all u want.
User avatar #583 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Im sorry. I ran out of characters.

Anyways, so have fun replying all you want and believing what you want. Its not my fault you are ignorant of other's beliefs. it ironic how you are just as stubborn as Catholics when it comes to attempting to change other people's beliefs. from this point on I will refuse to look at anything you write so really do feel free to write anything. Goodbye and on a side note, have fun in college and study hard. they say its some of the best years of your life! :)
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#576 - You are under-thinking this. The analogy you made is again mad…  [+] (6 new replies) 09/13/2011 on Atheist qoute 0
User avatar #579 - IamEllis (09/14/2011) [-]
God knew what would happen before it happened when he was creating us with free will. Before him he saw every single possibility of what could happen when we make decisions on what to do with our free will. Example what if you planed on waking up and going to work at 7 A.M. in one scenario you decide with your free will to get out of bed right away and the other you decide to press the snooze button once. because of that one tiny thing, and perhaps a chain of events following, who knows how your life may turn out whether its a tiny outcome or a large outcome. Either way God sees every single scenario, option, and decison we and others could possibly make along with each and every outcome.

or we could be a result of god as well

Your a hypocrite. "Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness" I told you I am fine with my beliefs and that I am fine with what you believe and you continue to argue with the idea of proving me wrong and breaking my faith. apparently its so important to you to break someone's faith to god just because you don't believe him yourself. Your the close minded one. I dont care if you dont believe god. I am willing to drop this ongoing argument at anytime. its going no where. Im still convinced theres a god and your still convinced there isnt one. whats the problem?
User avatar #580 - CaptainObviousMan (09/29/2011) [-]
Alright, finally have a little break from college. Anyway:

How can he see every single possibility AND be omniscient? You see, to be omniscient he need to know everything. But if he only sees possibilities then that infers lack of knowledge. For instance, if I was to roll a dice, I see that it has six possibilities: an equal chance of landing on each number. This is only because I have limited brain capacity. However, if I was omniscient with unlimited knowledge and power, I can correctly calculate the dice's movements and interactions with the air right down to the very atom, leaving only ONE outcome, no possibilities of anything else. And that is where the "free will can't exist with omniscience" thing comes into play. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

That's not being hypocritical. I don't cling to ideas no matter what. I cling to them when all evidence suggests it is valid and correct. Apply this to any other situation: Man says Pythagorean Theorem is correct because it logically makes sense. Another says it is wrong but says he is fine with his own belief and the first man's belief on Pythagorean Theorem, but clarifies that no matter what, he will continue to believe the theorem is wrong. Who is close minded?

And I am curious as to what kind of evidence you have for your conviction.






User avatar #582 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Although he sees every other possibility that could have happened based off our decisions, he also sees what the future has in store for us. Rather then coming down saying your going to do this then and you are going to do that now, he gave us the gift of free will which ultimately allows us to shape our own future. Just because he knows what the future holds for us docent mean he commanded us to do the acts that led up to that future. the future is not set in stone because we have not made our decisions or chose our actions yet but because he is omniscent he knows how things will turn out anyways. We can not always hope to understand a concept of which that is outside our universe.

The Pythagorean theorem works because that is how god made a part of our universe work. At one point the world said the earth was flat. it was "fact" for a time that the world was flat because it logically made sense to them. any other man that opposed that logic was a fool. well guess what? their logic was wrong. Im not saying the Pythagorean theorem is wrong but much of what we "know" could be wrong

And tell me. if you think I am a fool why do you bother? why doyou insist on keeping an argument on the internet going? why must you waste so much energy on it? do you have nothing else you can waste energy on? You are hypocritical. You cling tothe idea of proving someone wrong no matter how much they really dont care about the argument just because its important for you to be "right" and feel special.I and nearly anyone else in the world would agree that keeping an argument on the internet going for a month is ridiculous. Again, Im fine with my beliefs and yours. I have nothing to prove to a stranger on the internet. Reply back to this all you want with your free will but know that no matter how many times I will see the orange triangle say CaptainObviousMan, I shall not even bother to look anymore. That way I can move on to more important things and you can feel special all u want.
User avatar #583 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Im sorry. I ran out of characters.

Anyways, so have fun replying all you want and believing what you want. Its not my fault you are ignorant of other's beliefs. it ironic how you are just as stubborn as Catholics when it comes to attempting to change other people's beliefs. from this point on I will refuse to look at anything you write so really do feel free to write anything. Goodbye and on a side note, have fun in college and study hard. they say its some of the best years of your life! :)
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#575 - It seems you are the one that can't grasp this concept. Your s…  [+] (1 new reply) 09/13/2011 on Atheist qoute 0
User avatar #577 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Really so what you are saying is that the human race will just live on forever and ever? At some point the universe itself is bound to end, thus ending the human and all other races with it, if we are not all gone by then. Any scientist know the universe will end. many not for many many years, but it eventually will.

You are missing the point. like I said the purpose of life is a life of purpose. what purpose would we have if we were just poofed here knowing everything? What point would there be in our existence? If I had a choice of just knowing what love feels like or actaully being in love, clearly I would choose the second option.

The fact is though that It was I who experienced those memories and not the clone. I do not see how your bit about the clone with the same neurons aids your argument.

heaven is a different plane than of this universe that our minds cant comprehend. Ive already said that. Many problems are created out of the free will god has given us. I do believe in hell but I think only the lowest of low go there. for example, people who have no remorse for things such as murder out of cold blood. A babys death creates balance. there is sorrow and happiness, death and life. because this was the demise of the infant it learns that upon its death as it ascends into heaven as we all do when we die. This was the purpose of the infant
#358 - Yes? What do you need help with, citizen? 09/13/2011 on Isabel +5
#572 - Choices aren't real choices if there is no possibility of an a…  [+] (8 new replies) 09/13/2011 on Atheist qoute 0
User avatar #574 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Apparently you cant grasp this concept. You thinking it over way to much. The future that god sees is because of the choices that WE are going to make. We base those choices upon our past experience, emotions, and more. The course of history and the future of this universe is written for god the way it is because of the choices that us and our ancestors make/made. If an artist (God) was painting on a blank canvas and he decided to put a random blob of paint down (us), he would clearly know that the blob of paint, undisturbed, is going to seep down the canvas and make a trail. After he decided to make the blob, he looks at the trail that the paint made. Although he knew it was going drip, he allowed the blob of paint to roll and make any awkward shaped trail it wanted. now standing back at his work, he can see the way that the tail came out to be.
User avatar #576 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
You are under-thinking this. The analogy you made is again made moot by the fact God is supposedly all-knowing. An artist with the powers of God would not just know the paint will trail down. He would know the exact shape of the trail right down to the very atom BEFORE it even happens. This predictability means the blob of paint's "random" path is not actually random. Without randomness, there is no choice. Choice is defined as at least two options with a certain probability of one or the other happening. However, if only one option has a 100% chance of occurring and all others have 0%, there is no choice. No choice no free will. Even the pure mathematical principle that govern this universe would mean everything that happens could've only happened that way, there was no other option or choice. The ONLY reason randomization, choice and free will are still concepts used today is because humans lack the mental capacity for predictions with so many variables. But God shouldn't.

Whoa, whoever said "man's creation of a computer simulation". For all we know there could be another universe in which the physical laws make it possible to easily create an advanced computer simulation, and our universe is merely the result of one of those simulations created by another race.

Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness. I am willing to accept anything as long as the evidence and logic holds.
User avatar #579 - IamEllis (09/14/2011) [-]
God knew what would happen before it happened when he was creating us with free will. Before him he saw every single possibility of what could happen when we make decisions on what to do with our free will. Example what if you planed on waking up and going to work at 7 A.M. in one scenario you decide with your free will to get out of bed right away and the other you decide to press the snooze button once. because of that one tiny thing, and perhaps a chain of events following, who knows how your life may turn out whether its a tiny outcome or a large outcome. Either way God sees every single scenario, option, and decison we and others could possibly make along with each and every outcome.

or we could be a result of god as well

Your a hypocrite. "Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness" I told you I am fine with my beliefs and that I am fine with what you believe and you continue to argue with the idea of proving me wrong and breaking my faith. apparently its so important to you to break someone's faith to god just because you don't believe him yourself. Your the close minded one. I dont care if you dont believe god. I am willing to drop this ongoing argument at anytime. its going no where. Im still convinced theres a god and your still convinced there isnt one. whats the problem?
User avatar #580 - CaptainObviousMan (09/29/2011) [-]
Alright, finally have a little break from college. Anyway:

How can he see every single possibility AND be omniscient? You see, to be omniscient he need to know everything. But if he only sees possibilities then that infers lack of knowledge. For instance, if I was to roll a dice, I see that it has six possibilities: an equal chance of landing on each number. This is only because I have limited brain capacity. However, if I was omniscient with unlimited knowledge and power, I can correctly calculate the dice's movements and interactions with the air right down to the very atom, leaving only ONE outcome, no possibilities of anything else. And that is where the "free will can't exist with omniscience" thing comes into play. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

That's not being hypocritical. I don't cling to ideas no matter what. I cling to them when all evidence suggests it is valid and correct. Apply this to any other situation: Man says Pythagorean Theorem is correct because it logically makes sense. Another says it is wrong but says he is fine with his own belief and the first man's belief on Pythagorean Theorem, but clarifies that no matter what, he will continue to believe the theorem is wrong. Who is close minded?

And I am curious as to what kind of evidence you have for your conviction.






User avatar #582 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Although he sees every other possibility that could have happened based off our decisions, he also sees what the future has in store for us. Rather then coming down saying your going to do this then and you are going to do that now, he gave us the gift of free will which ultimately allows us to shape our own future. Just because he knows what the future holds for us docent mean he commanded us to do the acts that led up to that future. the future is not set in stone because we have not made our decisions or chose our actions yet but because he is omniscent he knows how things will turn out anyways. We can not always hope to understand a concept of which that is outside our universe.

The Pythagorean theorem works because that is how god made a part of our universe work. At one point the world said the earth was flat. it was "fact" for a time that the world was flat because it logically made sense to them. any other man that opposed that logic was a fool. well guess what? their logic was wrong. Im not saying the Pythagorean theorem is wrong but much of what we "know" could be wrong

And tell me. if you think I am a fool why do you bother? why doyou insist on keeping an argument on the internet going? why must you waste so much energy on it? do you have nothing else you can waste energy on? You are hypocritical. You cling tothe idea of proving someone wrong no matter how much they really dont care about the argument just because its important for you to be "right" and feel special.I and nearly anyone else in the world would agree that keeping an argument on the internet going for a month is ridiculous. Again, Im fine with my beliefs and yours. I have nothing to prove to a stranger on the internet. Reply back to this all you want with your free will but know that no matter how many times I will see the orange triangle say CaptainObviousMan, I shall not even bother to look anymore. That way I can move on to more important things and you can feel special all u want.
User avatar #583 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Im sorry. I ran out of characters.

Anyways, so have fun replying all you want and believing what you want. Its not my fault you are ignorant of other's beliefs. it ironic how you are just as stubborn as Catholics when it comes to attempting to change other people's beliefs. from this point on I will refuse to look at anything you write so really do feel free to write anything. Goodbye and on a side note, have fun in college and study hard. they say its some of the best years of your life! :)
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#571 - No, it's not. Life is a series of chemical reactions. It does …  [+] (12 new replies) 09/13/2011 on Atheist qoute 0
User avatar #573 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Everything dies. Eventually the earth itself will die out. Life and death are intertwined so perhaps they are considered the same thing when compared to the opposite thing, The afterlife.

So they are apathetic to the bigger picture. If that's how they chooses to use their free will, so be it.

What if you tried to teach an infant all categories of mathematics, all of the earths foreign languages, and sciences? It wouldn't end well. the purpose of life is a life of purpose. I wouldn't want god to just poof me into heaven with knowledge of everything. I want to experience it all. nature, music, love, ect. I think of life as our childhood and when we go into heaven is when we are truly mature. We as humans are flawed now but when we go to heaven since it must be utopia beyond our comprehension, then I am sure those flaws are lifted from us. and once again, heaven is a different plane. we can have free will with no suffering. And your wrong. You may not be able to know if god truly exists but I do.

I'm pretty sure that gods creations of the universe is far more advanced than mans creation of a computer simulation. Perhaps god made our universe the way it is so that we wouldn't become horribly confused, so that we can examine problems with log and mathematical solutions. If we are not meant to go into heaven until we die, mixing two planes probably wouldn't be good for us.

Once again, keep arguing if you wish, but you cant break my faith.



User avatar #575 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
It seems you are the one that can't grasp this concept. Your statements are all "poetic". Not objective or grounded on logic. So let's do this step by step: Life is complex chemical reactions. Death is the end of those chemical reactions. There is no law stating the chemical reactions MUST end. In fact some organisms of this earth are immortal so long as it's free from harm.

Uh, or course an infant can't handle all of it because they have a limited capacity for retaining information. BUT if humans where created by an all-powerful being, an infant could've been made that was capable of understanding everything.

"I want to experience it all". You clearly didn't read what I said clearly. Everything you did in your life prior to this moment is all preserved in memory. You probably learned a lot from it and can personally say you've experienced it. But again, if I was to make an exact copy of you including the arrangement of neurons in your brain, the second copy will be equally experienced as you and equally convinced he did all those things. One popular conundrum is that if someone constantly planted memories into you, you'll can never know what you did for real even if it was just a second ago. Yet, you will still have the experience and knowledge from those memories.

So, it is true. Free will DOESN'T have to come with suffering. You can free will and good but not evil. In which case, why is this universe not created like that? If heaven just make problems go away, why create problems? So people can go to hell when they could've been in heaven from the beginning? If you don't believe in hell, why make us go through hell on earth, when we're all just going to end up in heaven? What about a baby who dies? It didn't experience a life of purpose or learn right from wrong. Would it be denied entry to heaven? If it's allowing into heaven, doesn't it make your "Placed on this earth to learn right from wrong" idea incorrect? You're beliefs have too many inconsistencies.
User avatar #577 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Really so what you are saying is that the human race will just live on forever and ever? At some point the universe itself is bound to end, thus ending the human and all other races with it, if we are not all gone by then. Any scientist know the universe will end. many not for many many years, but it eventually will.

You are missing the point. like I said the purpose of life is a life of purpose. what purpose would we have if we were just poofed here knowing everything? What point would there be in our existence? If I had a choice of just knowing what love feels like or actaully being in love, clearly I would choose the second option.

The fact is though that It was I who experienced those memories and not the clone. I do not see how your bit about the clone with the same neurons aids your argument.

heaven is a different plane than of this universe that our minds cant comprehend. Ive already said that. Many problems are created out of the free will god has given us. I do believe in hell but I think only the lowest of low go there. for example, people who have no remorse for things such as murder out of cold blood. A babys death creates balance. there is sorrow and happiness, death and life. because this was the demise of the infant it learns that upon its death as it ascends into heaven as we all do when we die. This was the purpose of the infant
User avatar #572 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
Choices aren't real choices if there is no possibility of an alternate choice. Ex: a falling vase has no free will, it has to obey the law of gravity and hit the ground unless an outside force intervenes. Likewise, a person would have no free will, he has to obey the predictable, mathematical laws of chemistry and physics in his body, brain and environment, unless a hypothetical outside God intervenes.
User avatar #574 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Apparently you cant grasp this concept. You thinking it over way to much. The future that god sees is because of the choices that WE are going to make. We base those choices upon our past experience, emotions, and more. The course of history and the future of this universe is written for god the way it is because of the choices that us and our ancestors make/made. If an artist (God) was painting on a blank canvas and he decided to put a random blob of paint down (us), he would clearly know that the blob of paint, undisturbed, is going to seep down the canvas and make a trail. After he decided to make the blob, he looks at the trail that the paint made. Although he knew it was going drip, he allowed the blob of paint to roll and make any awkward shaped trail it wanted. now standing back at his work, he can see the way that the tail came out to be.
User avatar #576 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
You are under-thinking this. The analogy you made is again made moot by the fact God is supposedly all-knowing. An artist with the powers of God would not just know the paint will trail down. He would know the exact shape of the trail right down to the very atom BEFORE it even happens. This predictability means the blob of paint's "random" path is not actually random. Without randomness, there is no choice. Choice is defined as at least two options with a certain probability of one or the other happening. However, if only one option has a 100% chance of occurring and all others have 0%, there is no choice. No choice no free will. Even the pure mathematical principle that govern this universe would mean everything that happens could've only happened that way, there was no other option or choice. The ONLY reason randomization, choice and free will are still concepts used today is because humans lack the mental capacity for predictions with so many variables. But God shouldn't.

Whoa, whoever said "man's creation of a computer simulation". For all we know there could be another universe in which the physical laws make it possible to easily create an advanced computer simulation, and our universe is merely the result of one of those simulations created by another race.

Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness. I am willing to accept anything as long as the evidence and logic holds.
User avatar #579 - IamEllis (09/14/2011) [-]
God knew what would happen before it happened when he was creating us with free will. Before him he saw every single possibility of what could happen when we make decisions on what to do with our free will. Example what if you planed on waking up and going to work at 7 A.M. in one scenario you decide with your free will to get out of bed right away and the other you decide to press the snooze button once. because of that one tiny thing, and perhaps a chain of events following, who knows how your life may turn out whether its a tiny outcome or a large outcome. Either way God sees every single scenario, option, and decison we and others could possibly make along with each and every outcome.

or we could be a result of god as well

Your a hypocrite. "Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness" I told you I am fine with my beliefs and that I am fine with what you believe and you continue to argue with the idea of proving me wrong and breaking my faith. apparently its so important to you to break someone's faith to god just because you don't believe him yourself. Your the close minded one. I dont care if you dont believe god. I am willing to drop this ongoing argument at anytime. its going no where. Im still convinced theres a god and your still convinced there isnt one. whats the problem?
User avatar #580 - CaptainObviousMan (09/29/2011) [-]
Alright, finally have a little break from college. Anyway:

How can he see every single possibility AND be omniscient? You see, to be omniscient he need to know everything. But if he only sees possibilities then that infers lack of knowledge. For instance, if I was to roll a dice, I see that it has six possibilities: an equal chance of landing on each number. This is only because I have limited brain capacity. However, if I was omniscient with unlimited knowledge and power, I can correctly calculate the dice's movements and interactions with the air right down to the very atom, leaving only ONE outcome, no possibilities of anything else. And that is where the "free will can't exist with omniscience" thing comes into play. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

That's not being hypocritical. I don't cling to ideas no matter what. I cling to them when all evidence suggests it is valid and correct. Apply this to any other situation: Man says Pythagorean Theorem is correct because it logically makes sense. Another says it is wrong but says he is fine with his own belief and the first man's belief on Pythagorean Theorem, but clarifies that no matter what, he will continue to believe the theorem is wrong. Who is close minded?

And I am curious as to what kind of evidence you have for your conviction.






User avatar #582 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Although he sees every other possibility that could have happened based off our decisions, he also sees what the future has in store for us. Rather then coming down saying your going to do this then and you are going to do that now, he gave us the gift of free will which ultimately allows us to shape our own future. Just because he knows what the future holds for us docent mean he commanded us to do the acts that led up to that future. the future is not set in stone because we have not made our decisions or chose our actions yet but because he is omniscent he knows how things will turn out anyways. We can not always hope to understand a concept of which that is outside our universe.

The Pythagorean theorem works because that is how god made a part of our universe work. At one point the world said the earth was flat. it was "fact" for a time that the world was flat because it logically made sense to them. any other man that opposed that logic was a fool. well guess what? their logic was wrong. Im not saying the Pythagorean theorem is wrong but much of what we "know" could be wrong

And tell me. if you think I am a fool why do you bother? why doyou insist on keeping an argument on the internet going? why must you waste so much energy on it? do you have nothing else you can waste energy on? You are hypocritical. You cling tothe idea of proving someone wrong no matter how much they really dont care about the argument just because its important for you to be "right" and feel special.I and nearly anyone else in the world would agree that keeping an argument on the internet going for a month is ridiculous. Again, Im fine with my beliefs and yours. I have nothing to prove to a stranger on the internet. Reply back to this all you want with your free will but know that no matter how many times I will see the orange triangle say CaptainObviousMan, I shall not even bother to look anymore. That way I can move on to more important things and you can feel special all u want.
User avatar #583 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Im sorry. I ran out of characters.

Anyways, so have fun replying all you want and believing what you want. Its not my fault you are ignorant of other's beliefs. it ironic how you are just as stubborn as Catholics when it comes to attempting to change other people's beliefs. from this point on I will refuse to look at anything you write so really do feel free to write anything. Goodbye and on a side note, have fun in college and study hard. they say its some of the best years of your life! :)
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I never said anything about shitting though...
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Sorry, was watching doctor who. Forgot to check FJ...
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i say, this smells like a sequel
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Then that mustn't be very good wine, my sir.
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User avatar #569 - IamEllis (09/12/2011) [-]
Death is necessary no matter how much space we have to live in. Its a part of life. And in the after life i'm sure there is an infinite amount of space

Really? Not a single person on earth is mature? not you or I? I will admit there are many cruel, nasty people out their but its all a part of free will. some people use it for good, and others for evil, but both of these things need to exist to have balance

No matter how you look, at it, its still free will. 10 years from now if you were to go hiking and you took the path to the right rather than the path to the left that is still your choice. God didnt force you to take that path. it was just what YOU are going to choose but you havent had to stumble across those options yet because it is still in the future to come.

Most Catholics would say that god puts us on this earth so that we can learn about jesus as our savior and only then we will be acepted into heaven, and other bullshit reasons. Even I know thats flawed. I beileve that we are placed on this earth to learn right from wrong. we need to learn about the balance of good and evil, sadness and happiness. It is how we learn to work together in one life so we can be together in the next. And if heaven is beyond our imagination, you would not be able to disprove it, for we canot know.

You are comparing a computer game to the actual universe? i'm pretty sure there is a rather large difference there. Besides, it would be unhuman to never be sad. you need both happy and sad to create balance. God on the other hand is not on this earth. although he watches over us, he resides in heaven which is a different plane entirely, one, which I said before we canot understand until we get there

Again, but god did force me to choose the essay. Although he may know what we will choose, he allows those choices to happen instead of commanding us to do one thing or the other. it is our preferences and decisions to come that shapes what he sees.
User avatar #571 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
No, it's not. Life is a series of chemical reactions. It does not have to end, it could be perpetual. What is afterlife then? Why is afterlife eternal? Why is there no opposite of existence in the afterlife? You seem to stuck in this false dichotomy set of mind. Something with a beginning doesn't always have to have an end.

I said "most people". And by immature I mean only helping those around them or familiar with. Most people are apathetic to the bigger picture.

"Placed on this earth to learn right from wrong"? You see, the biggest problem to me is, what point is there for humans to learn these things when there is supposedly an all-powerful being? Couldn't he just give us the knowledge? Why does he need us to learn it, does that not imply dependence on us and hence imperfection? I'm sure you'll say, "it's not the same thing". Not so. If I took a snap shot of the arrangement of your neuron cells at this very moment and recreated it, that second clone would have all the knowledge and experience you have without actually experiencing it.

I'm tired of repeating this. The question was not "is heaven feasible?". The question was "assuming God is real and he made a heaven, what point is there in making a flawed universe? If heaven is utopia beyond our imagination with free will and no suffering, does that not disprove your 'free will always comes with suffering' idea?" You simply said "we cannot know". You can't know if God truly exists either but that's not the point. It's a hypothetical question.

Actually, the way the universe works is exactly like what we would expect from a computer simulation. Every single thing is this universe is guided by mathematical equations. Obviously we would need a quantum computer beyond our current tech but it is possible.

The current location of God is irrelevant if he is omnipotent and omniscience hence having the ability to know all without being there and control things the whole time.


User avatar #573 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Everything dies. Eventually the earth itself will die out. Life and death are intertwined so perhaps they are considered the same thing when compared to the opposite thing, The afterlife.

So they are apathetic to the bigger picture. If that's how they chooses to use their free will, so be it.

What if you tried to teach an infant all categories of mathematics, all of the earths foreign languages, and sciences? It wouldn't end well. the purpose of life is a life of purpose. I wouldn't want god to just poof me into heaven with knowledge of everything. I want to experience it all. nature, music, love, ect. I think of life as our childhood and when we go into heaven is when we are truly mature. We as humans are flawed now but when we go to heaven since it must be utopia beyond our comprehension, then I am sure those flaws are lifted from us. and once again, heaven is a different plane. we can have free will with no suffering. And your wrong. You may not be able to know if god truly exists but I do.

I'm pretty sure that gods creations of the universe is far more advanced than mans creation of a computer simulation. Perhaps god made our universe the way it is so that we wouldn't become horribly confused, so that we can examine problems with log and mathematical solutions. If we are not meant to go into heaven until we die, mixing two planes probably wouldn't be good for us.

Once again, keep arguing if you wish, but you cant break my faith.



User avatar #575 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
It seems you are the one that can't grasp this concept. Your statements are all "poetic". Not objective or grounded on logic. So let's do this step by step: Life is complex chemical reactions. Death is the end of those chemical reactions. There is no law stating the chemical reactions MUST end. In fact some organisms of this earth are immortal so long as it's free from harm.

Uh, or course an infant can't handle all of it because they have a limited capacity for retaining information. BUT if humans where created by an all-powerful being, an infant could've been made that was capable of understanding everything.

"I want to experience it all". You clearly didn't read what I said clearly. Everything you did in your life prior to this moment is all preserved in memory. You probably learned a lot from it and can personally say you've experienced it. But again, if I was to make an exact copy of you including the arrangement of neurons in your brain, the second copy will be equally experienced as you and equally convinced he did all those things. One popular conundrum is that if someone constantly planted memories into you, you'll can never know what you did for real even if it was just a second ago. Yet, you will still have the experience and knowledge from those memories.

So, it is true. Free will DOESN'T have to come with suffering. You can free will and good but not evil. In which case, why is this universe not created like that? If heaven just make problems go away, why create problems? So people can go to hell when they could've been in heaven from the beginning? If you don't believe in hell, why make us go through hell on earth, when we're all just going to end up in heaven? What about a baby who dies? It didn't experience a life of purpose or learn right from wrong. Would it be denied entry to heaven? If it's allowing into heaven, doesn't it make your "Placed on this earth to learn right from wrong" idea incorrect? You're beliefs have too many inconsistencies.
User avatar #577 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Really so what you are saying is that the human race will just live on forever and ever? At some point the universe itself is bound to end, thus ending the human and all other races with it, if we are not all gone by then. Any scientist know the universe will end. many not for many many years, but it eventually will.

You are missing the point. like I said the purpose of life is a life of purpose. what purpose would we have if we were just poofed here knowing everything? What point would there be in our existence? If I had a choice of just knowing what love feels like or actaully being in love, clearly I would choose the second option.

The fact is though that It was I who experienced those memories and not the clone. I do not see how your bit about the clone with the same neurons aids your argument.

heaven is a different plane than of this universe that our minds cant comprehend. Ive already said that. Many problems are created out of the free will god has given us. I do believe in hell but I think only the lowest of low go there. for example, people who have no remorse for things such as murder out of cold blood. A babys death creates balance. there is sorrow and happiness, death and life. because this was the demise of the infant it learns that upon its death as it ascends into heaven as we all do when we die. This was the purpose of the infant
User avatar #572 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
Choices aren't real choices if there is no possibility of an alternate choice. Ex: a falling vase has no free will, it has to obey the law of gravity and hit the ground unless an outside force intervenes. Likewise, a person would have no free will, he has to obey the predictable, mathematical laws of chemistry and physics in his body, brain and environment, unless a hypothetical outside God intervenes.
User avatar #574 - IamEllis (09/13/2011) [-]
Apparently you cant grasp this concept. You thinking it over way to much. The future that god sees is because of the choices that WE are going to make. We base those choices upon our past experience, emotions, and more. The course of history and the future of this universe is written for god the way it is because of the choices that us and our ancestors make/made. If an artist (God) was painting on a blank canvas and he decided to put a random blob of paint down (us), he would clearly know that the blob of paint, undisturbed, is going to seep down the canvas and make a trail. After he decided to make the blob, he looks at the trail that the paint made. Although he knew it was going drip, he allowed the blob of paint to roll and make any awkward shaped trail it wanted. now standing back at his work, he can see the way that the tail came out to be.
User avatar #576 - CaptainObviousMan (09/13/2011) [-]
You are under-thinking this. The analogy you made is again made moot by the fact God is supposedly all-knowing. An artist with the powers of God would not just know the paint will trail down. He would know the exact shape of the trail right down to the very atom BEFORE it even happens. This predictability means the blob of paint's "random" path is not actually random. Without randomness, there is no choice. Choice is defined as at least two options with a certain probability of one or the other happening. However, if only one option has a 100% chance of occurring and all others have 0%, there is no choice. No choice no free will. Even the pure mathematical principle that govern this universe would mean everything that happens could've only happened that way, there was no other option or choice. The ONLY reason randomization, choice and free will are still concepts used today is because humans lack the mental capacity for predictions with so many variables. But God shouldn't.

Whoa, whoever said "man's creation of a computer simulation". For all we know there could be another universe in which the physical laws make it possible to easily create an advanced computer simulation, and our universe is merely the result of one of those simulations created by another race.

Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness. I am willing to accept anything as long as the evidence and logic holds.
User avatar #579 - IamEllis (09/14/2011) [-]
God knew what would happen before it happened when he was creating us with free will. Before him he saw every single possibility of what could happen when we make decisions on what to do with our free will. Example what if you planed on waking up and going to work at 7 A.M. in one scenario you decide with your free will to get out of bed right away and the other you decide to press the snooze button once. because of that one tiny thing, and perhaps a chain of events following, who knows how your life may turn out whether its a tiny outcome or a large outcome. Either way God sees every single scenario, option, and decison we and others could possibly make along with each and every outcome.

or we could be a result of god as well

Your a hypocrite. "Stubbornly clinging to ideas no matter what is a clear sign of close-mindedness" I told you I am fine with my beliefs and that I am fine with what you believe and you continue to argue with the idea of proving me wrong and breaking my faith. apparently its so important to you to break someone's faith to god just because you don't believe him yourself. Your the close minded one. I dont care if you dont believe god. I am willing to drop this ongoing argument at anytime. its going no where. Im still convinced theres a god and your still convinced there isnt one. whats the problem?
User avatar #580 - CaptainObviousMan (09/29/2011) [-]
Alright, finally have a little break from college. Anyway:

How can he see every single possibility AND be omniscient? You see, to be omniscient he need to know everything. But if he only sees possibilities then that infers lack of knowledge. For instance, if I was to roll a dice, I see that it has six possibilities: an equal chance of landing on each number. This is only because I have limited brain capacity. However, if I was omniscient with unlimited knowledge and power, I can correctly calculate the dice's movements and interactions with the air right down to the very atom, leaving only ONE outcome, no possibilities of anything else. And that is where the "free will can't exist with omniscience" thing comes into play. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

That's not being hypocritical. I don't cling to ideas no matter what. I cling to them when all evidence suggests it is valid and correct. Apply this to any other situation: Man says Pythagorean Theorem is correct because it logically makes sense. Another says it is wrong but says he is fine with his own belief and the first man's belief on Pythagorean Theorem, but clarifies that no matter what, he will continue to believe the theorem is wrong. Who is close minded?

And I am curious as to what kind of evidence you have for your conviction.






User avatar #582 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Although he sees every other possibility that could have happened based off our decisions, he also sees what the future has in store for us. Rather then coming down saying your going to do this then and you are going to do that now, he gave us the gift of free will which ultimately allows us to shape our own future. Just because he knows what the future holds for us docent mean he commanded us to do the acts that led up to that future. the future is not set in stone because we have not made our decisions or chose our actions yet but because he is omniscent he knows how things will turn out anyways. We can not always hope to understand a concept of which that is outside our universe.

The Pythagorean theorem works because that is how god made a part of our universe work. At one point the world said the earth was flat. it was "fact" for a time that the world was flat because it logically made sense to them. any other man that opposed that logic was a fool. well guess what? their logic was wrong. Im not saying the Pythagorean theorem is wrong but much of what we "know" could be wrong

And tell me. if you think I am a fool why do you bother? why doyou insist on keeping an argument on the internet going? why must you waste so much energy on it? do you have nothing else you can waste energy on? You are hypocritical. You cling tothe idea of proving someone wrong no matter how much they really dont care about the argument just because its important for you to be "right" and feel special.I and nearly anyone else in the world would agree that keeping an argument on the internet going for a month is ridiculous. Again, Im fine with my beliefs and yours. I have nothing to prove to a stranger on the internet. Reply back to this all you want with your free will but know that no matter how many times I will see the orange triangle say CaptainObviousMan, I shall not even bother to look anymore. That way I can move on to more important things and you can feel special all u want.
User avatar #583 - IamEllis (10/01/2011) [-]
Im sorry. I ran out of characters.

Anyways, so have fun replying all you want and believing what you want. Its not my fault you are ignorant of other's beliefs. it ironic how you are just as stubborn as Catholics when it comes to attempting to change other people's beliefs. from this point on I will refuse to look at anything you write so really do feel free to write anything. Goodbye and on a side note, have fun in college and study hard. they say its some of the best years of your life! :)
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User avatar #570 - IamEllis (09/12/2011) [-]
No matter what you say, you cannot weaken my beliefs.

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#25 - nexmorismortis (05/29/2011) [-]
Wow... I just wanna say thanks for the help on that Marijuana post comment thingy. You managed to say it a lot better than I ever could.


You're awesome. (Or was that too obvious?)
#26 to #26 - CaptainObviousMan (05/30/2011) [-]
Oh no problem, I hate it when people don't bother educating themselves and I enjoy pwning people intellectually. It's nice to see others willing to voice their opinions against masses of ignorant people. =]  
  
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Oh no problem, I hate it when people don't bother educating themselves and I enjoy pwning people intellectually. It's nice to see others willing to voice their opinions against masses of ignorant people. =]

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#22 - captainspankmonkey ONLINE (04/09/2011) [-]
WOOHOO ITS CAPTAINOBVIOUS :D *i just did something obvious*
#23 to #23 - CaptainObviousMan (04/09/2011) [-]
You are now an honorary Captain Obvious.
#24 to #24 - captainspankmonkey ONLINE (04/09/2011) [-]
thank you captain obvious
#20 - bobJML (03/21/2011) [-]
How's it going?
User avatar #21 to #21 - CaptainObviousMan (03/23/2011) [-]
It's all good.
User avatar #17 - edzeppelin (03/21/2011) [-]
Wellll I don't think I'll ever pass you in comment rank. So I might as well enjoy this spot here. Feelsgoodman.jpg.
User avatar #18 to #18 - CaptainObviousMan (03/21/2011) [-]
Don't be surprised if you do, I've been far too busy with other stuff and I haven't commented that much recently.
#19 to #19 - edzeppelin (03/21/2011) [-]
Ah. Btw, congrats you are my 300th friend!
Ah. Btw, congrats you are my 300th friend!

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f-father?
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did you get that katy perry gif from my post? please be honest.
I'm just kinda sad of the response i got from the post, and then your comment.
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oh god XD
we posted on the same day!!!
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#1 - anonymous (12/26/2009) [-]
Captain Obvious, i need help, my cat is stuck on top of a tree, help me.
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Call the Fire Department.
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