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#56 - comradewinter (08/19/2014) [-]
Are you stupid? The Republic's democracy was limited to males with both parents being Romans, and mostly run by patriarchs who were corrupt like fuck. Russia today is a much more reliable democracy than what it was back then. Julius Caesar was not the first to make a grasp for power, either. The Roman Empire almost fell before they appointed a dictator, after Hannibal capitalized on the indecisiveness of the Senate.
Caesar served Rome til his dying breath. He treated his slaves and the plebs fairly, making him popular among common folk, but lost friends in the Senate because they were jealous and terrified of losing their position for incompetence. Many were on Caesar's side, and he was fair as a judicator. Most of Pompei's kept their position after the Civil War, despite being Caesar's enemies.
All in all, he serves as an example that democracy is not perfect, and it certainly wasn't back then. After the Republic fell, Rome kept growing stronger to a point when 25% of the entire world's population was under the Romans. Also, in honor of Caesar's methods, plebs were generally treated better, which is why many of the conquered regions accepted Roman rule quickly.
TL;DR: Caesar was a man way ahead of his time.
#8 - schnizel (08/18/2014) [-]
>Julius was fucking nuts and ruined the Roman republic for power
>Yes, he was a powerhungry dog who fought and bleed for Rome on all sides of the globe and the guy had the nerve to free Rome from its peaceful senate which has opressed so many evil plebs to keep them in order.
Julius was a true Roman that worked alongside the ambitions of Romans, not the powerhungry rats and the Senate was nothing more than old men debating and questioning themselves and others and denying the fact before them. They were afraid of Caesar, his fame and glory and they knew that a fit man would lead Rome and replace them, so they took him out.
#9 - Awesomenessniss (08/18/2014) [-]
Yes they were afraid of Julius Caesar, of his fame and his glory, his exploit sin Gaul, which he was able to due thanks to special concessions from the Senate as they were in the best Roman interest at the time, made him a natural leader and war hero in the eyes of the plebeians. He had wild ambitions and when backed by the people could easily overthrow the senate, which would send the Roman state into a frenzy. He was a man who knew how to use intimidation, and he wielded it well. But he was careless in that he was unpredictable which could prove disaster so he was removed by force.
#10 - schnizel (08/18/2014) [-]
>made him a natural leader and war hero in the eyes of the plebeians.
Which he was.
> exploit sin Gaul
Clarify exploit sin.
>He had wild ambitions and when backed by the people could easily overthrow the senate, which would send the Roman state into a frenzy.
>He was a man who knew how to use intimidation, and he wielded it well.
Who was the one capturing legionares and suppresing plebian revolts in Rome at the time where they launched legions of Romans against him which he rekt ? If your answer is the senate, then you are right.
>But he was careless in that he was unpredictable which could prove disaster so he was removed by force.
That's why he was so successful. Also, how many senators did he also stab?
#11 - Awesomenessniss (08/18/2014) [-]
First, I wasn't saying he was actively trying to make himself look like that to the people otherwise I would have said 'himself'. I wasn't being reflexive.
Second, He was well known for the military campaigns that he led into Gaul, he was one example of a commander given special concessions to move farther out from the boundaries of Rome from the Senate.
Third, You don't run an massive empire that mixes different cultures with hugs and happy faces.
Fourth, Yes his success came from being unpredictable, nobody knew what the hell he could be thinking. "How many senators did he also stab?" None, he didn't think he needed to.
#15 - Awesomenessniss (08/18/2014) [-]
I didn't say that venturing into Gaul was the wrong move, it was natural progression for Rome to try and secure the borders, i was just stating that he had permission to take his legions farther out than others. When you say "people don't like you" do you mean individuals or the Senate in general. Many Senators hated each other as well. Yes they stabbed him, political assassination and plot really wasn't rare in Rome, just look at Catiline and his actions for a good example.
#16 - schnizel (08/18/2014) [-]
Because he was more able than others in many ways. I mean that people didn't like the Senate, and the Senate hated Caesar.
>Yes they stabbed him, political assassination and plot really wasn't rare in Rome, just look at Catiline and his actions for a good example.
True, but they aren't Caesar, and it is no less of a crime if it happened more than once.
#17 - Awesomenessniss (08/18/2014) [-]
This has been an interesting discussion and I enjoy learning other people's insight in such matters as interpretation of ancient history, however I feel the discussion has gone on enough and don't disagree with you to the point of having a rebuttal to your latest argument. I don't mean to change your mind on anything, but a fresh perspective can be nice.
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