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The thing about this is, while we're "helping" them, we're hurting ourselves. Population controls need to be a thing real soon.
We're all doing it like animals, which we are. But animals also do some pretty dumb shit when left to their own devices.
Well then how's this:
We regulate and impose stricter immigration standards. Those who can come in, immediately work, earn money, live better, and pay taxes LEGALLY, will be able to do so.
Priority given to degree holders and tradesman, then laborers and so on and so fourth.
It's absolutely ridiculous you see the people that are being accepted to in the US just because "HURR DURR WE MAKE LIVE BETTUR, HE NO EAT DIRT" when my friend from Palestine who holds a Masters Degree in Electrical Engineering from a school within the US has to jump through so many hoops just to stay here.
The million that we take in should be the people that WANT to be here within the US and can make it
How can we justify bringing in people to take jobs when not everyone in our country looking for work has work?
The very people we take in are the ones best suited to help the countries they came from.
Maybe we can train them to improve their country even further and then send them back?
Well once there here we can't just force to go back if they don't want to (unless obviously they've done something that would get themselves deported). There's also the fact that people likely aren't gonna pour the time and resources necessary to train and educate someone just to "give them away" so to speak once that person is done. They're likely going to want that person working for them once they're finished.
Well, I feel that we could solve that rather easily. It may not work, but could we make them agree legally to return after the circumstances improve measurably? Also, we could do something like outsourcing, where the workers who were trained under X company will establish an X company headquarters in their home country, creating a source of reliable trade between them and us, as well as profit for that company.
Does this work?
I'll be honest that first one is kinda ridiculous, no one who goes through the trouble of leaving a poor country to go live in a rich one is going to sign some agreement that essentially says "Thanks for the help, now get out". However that second one is already happening, quite frequently I might add and yes it does work, it's the reason why countries that were so poor before (China, Brazil, India) have seen such explosive economic growth these past couple of years. The great part is now, as these countries grow, the citizens will be less inclined to leave, including those gifted individuals who can help improve their country further.
Right, I just want there to be some way to have the second occur while keeping the people living there safer. I have no better plan, but hopefully someone will make one.
A lot of people are thumbing you down and gave you a wall of text to read, but I'll give you a tl;dr of why immigration doesn't work as a solution to a problem.
For starters, it really doesn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. To say we're "doing something" about poverty in the world by bringing in a million immigrants a year is a joke.
Next, and the gentleman mentioned this. We bring in people from the countries that aren't "that" level of poor (Mexico, etc.) and we typically bring the mental elite of said country. This means we're robbing a country's potential to change because we're taking away the people who could be making a difference and allowing them to abandon their country.
I'm all for helping people, but mass immigration isn't a viable solution. It's a waste of resources for both sides. We don't really need those immigrants realistically compared to their native country, and the country needs those "mental elite" people that we're willing to take.
you're already stealing many country's mineral resources, why not the people lol, these people only follow the money that you rob
In addition to this, he neglects one more aspect of the immigration that occurs. Although many people who immigrate here will simply move here, and never leave again, there will certainly be a great deal who still have ties from their old lives, whether it be businesses, family, etc.
These people are still going to have a vested interest in the well-being of that country, and may attempt to aid them by doing things as small as sending money to family members.
One of the more idealistic scenarios that could play out from accepting these poor immigrants is that after building themselves up here, they may actually return to their country and attempt to make large-scale changes that could potentially bring great benefits to that area.
Sure the chance of this actually happening is small, but like the presenter said, the people who come here are often the most energetic, and if these people pick up the American beliefs about humanitarianism, then there's bound to be people who will become activists for their former country.
Actually the way I see that happening is a little different.
People immigrate to other countries and typically start up a small business of some sort or buy a business (In my experience typically dairy farms or orchards) and then bring all their friends and family over to work as underpaid wageslaves for them, thereby not only exploiting these people and the system, but also removing the opportunity for jobs from the locals of that country
I can definitely see that being a big problem when immigrants can easily bring over their family members. To my limited knowledge though, the US government is very strict when it comes to this stuff. In order to apply to bring over family members, you usually have to be a citizen, and even then it might take years (took my family over 10 years, but then again they weren't applying for work visas).
Also, I don't know how valid this point is, but there was supposedly a study that claimed that the types of jobs uneducated immigrants usually take on are different than the types of jobs uneducated locals usually take, so the impact on job losses shouldn't be as big as people think? I'm not entirely convinced by this since I haven't seen the study myself, but it's something
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How many examples of that actually happening though? Besides sending money part. That has both upsides and downsides depending on which side, motivation, and extent.
How many actually return to make a better world? To legitimize the argument for taking more refugees, I believe a significant example for the benefit and change of a foreign nation would be required, but empirically, there aren't enough examples (if any) to justify.
When we are at out lowest, 2 options exist that resolve the situation. Either you solve the problem, or the problem overcomes you. If you solve it, then you have become greater than you were before. New skills, new points of view, a new means to conquer new challenges. If the problem overcomes you, then that's that. It may concern others, but chances are you are gone and it is no longer your problem. It's cold, but true. There is a 3rd option which is to ignore/run/depend on others. Which leaves you in the worst spot. Ignoring or running only leads to the problem overcoming you without a fight. Depending on others may or may not solve the issue, but you will reap none of the benefits that allow you to solve further problems and become self sufficient.
Until you face the challenges yourself, you will continue to fail in the most important ways. Your loved ones, your capabilities, your status in life, and the most important thing you would fail, is yourself.
Yeah, I don't think our current method of accepting poor immigrants and refugees is the best as well. It may take longer than a single generation to start making enough of a difference (ex: children of immigrants growing up and returning), but right now there's nothing really pushing them to do something like this. Sure, children of immigrants often have very strong work ethic (stereotypical Asians and Africans), but we can't really force them to go back unless we change our policies regarding taking in poor immigrants in the first place.
Unfortunately, too many people don't realize just how little of a difference the US makes, and any reduction in this number will be met with countless citizens saying that the government is being cruel or something. Until something drastic happens and we are truly at our lowest, we're probably gonna keep our current stance on aiding the poor around the globe. Guess this is just one of the countless examples of the bureaucracy being inefficient.
IMO, the presenter is almost definitely aware of this, was probably just limited by time so he coudn't bring this up though.
you obviously didn't get the point of that video.
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I'm assuming you didn't watch the end of it, chose not to listen, or just didn't get the point.
Majority of the immigrants in the world are the typically the smartest of the bunch. The ones most likely to make a change for their own people. Removing them from society significantly reduces the chance of them choosing to make their country better. So the problem is never solved. It is far more of a utilitarian solution to work on the source of the issue then to just address the immediate problem you see (muh refugees are suffering).
Look at what happened in south Africa when the majority of the more industrial thinkers left the country because it was easier to thrive in a western society. Now Africa has just become more overpopulated and less stable.
And with the current refugee crisis. How many have actually returned to their respective countries to try to make it better? As long as they take the easy road, the problem will only get worse.
I watched the entire thing and completely got that.
Perhaps I should have been clearer on
immigrants I was considering.
I agree with what everyone above is saying, in relation to economic migrants.
But not those who are in a position where they are likely to be subject to war,
radicalisation, and things completely beyond their control.
Not *issues then
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