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User avatar #11961 - ithyphallophobia **User deleted account**
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(07/24/2013) [-]
Soooo I'm thinking Ryan Braun should get a lifetime ban...this suspension for the rest of the season isn't even a slap on the wrist...it's like a tap on the wrist. MLB needs to send a message to the rest of the players and this is a perfect opportunity to do so
User avatar #11975 to #11961 - fezuargo
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(07/26/2013) [-]
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree here. This is Brauns first time offense and he still got an extra 15 games added to his overall suspension. I do agree that he should be penalized just like any other player who would use performance-enhancing drugs, but at the same time we as fans need to remember that those drugs don't him more accurate at the plate. He's STILL hitting off of opposing pitchers and STILL getting on base. The only thing that the drugs could have done for him was to possibly carry the balls farther, but the rest was all him. In a way it's almost like the whole pine-tar issue in the world series years and years ago, the Royals (I think it was the Royals at least?) only lost because the other manager came out to "bitch" about pine tar on the bat, which after gathering the other umpires to measure it out they had the home run taken back which caused them to lose the series, but they were still hitting off all of the opposing pitchers and simply played better baseball. I think Brauns suspension was just fine. Also remember that Braun has a list of things he can and cannot do while on his 'break'. He cannot receive pay, he cannot play in any post season games, and he cannot participate in any fall affiliated games. The only things he can do is work out with the team, participate in batting practice with the team before the gates open, and play in winter affiliated games, but the biggest part of this list is that he does not get to sit at home and make money from the MLB for nothing. He even had endorsements dropped after this whole mess so he losses out on even more money. So I'd overall, his suspension is fair. I mean, even though he did cheat, this is technically his first time offense and telling a guy he's got a lifetime ban on the game he grew up with and loves is a hard thing to do. I could see that after a 3rd time offense, but not a first.

End of my rant.
User avatar #11962 to #11961 - MillionsKnives
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(07/24/2013) [-]
There was no evidence stating that he actually used, unlike A-Rod. They just had enough corroborating evidence to make a somewhat flimsy case, but then Braun just said fuck it and essentially said just suspend me now to get it over with.

Any lawyer would have been able to get Braun off if they he really wanted to, I mean, more than half the case was evolved from this Bio-genesis guy, who has gone back and forth with his story forever.

Did he use shit? Probably. Did they actually prove it with solid, concrete evidence from a credible source? No.
User avatar #11966 to #11962 - ithyphallophobia **User deleted account**
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(07/25/2013) [-]
At first, he tested positive for synthetic testosterone...against the rules, not a HUGE deal but still against the rules. He appealed that and it got overturned.
That's when he started saying "oh yeah I'm clean, that was a minor blip, I'm clean"
Well now we're finding out that was bullshit, the director of the program he was black daddyistering to says he but him on a multiple PED regimen. This guy that was Brauns friend said that. That's when the evidence and details leaked.
So yes, he absolutely used...and there was an abundance of evidence.

This rest of the season suspension is hardly even a slap on the wrist, the Brewers are having a rough season anyway and Braun still gets to rake in the money.

The dude doesn't deserve to have another at-bat in MLB. He might be sorry he got caught, he's not sorry he used.
User avatar #11967 to #11966 - MillionsKnives
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(07/25/2013) [-]
The head of the Biogenesis must be who you are talking about. You do realize that he only talked when he was faced with being sued and stopped getting money from A-rod? He flip-flopped, and from obvious bullying by the MLB.

You're right, it was an advantageous time for it to happen, but it still happened now.

A 65 game first offense suspension is unheard of, let alone a lifetime ban. If it wasn't for the media (which shouldn't have been involved in the first place) and Bud Selig having a hard-on for Braun after he got off, it would have been a 50 game.
User avatar #11968 to #11967 - ithyphallophobia **User deleted account**
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(07/25/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call it bullying I'd call it digging for the truth lol. This is a serious matter, and MLB wanted to get to the bottom of it. It's cheating on a pretty big scale. Suing for withholding evidence is perfectly acceptable.
And the fact that Braun received an MVP while under the use of PED's makes it worse.
He's been denying that he used for over a year and a half now, so he's been lying big time.
I'd say a 65 game ban is pretty lenient.
User avatar #11969 to #11968 - MillionsKnives
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(07/25/2013) [-]
I'm saying that he is not trustworthy in the least. First he swears that Braun was only in contact with him for what was essentially a second opinion, then suddenly, when his money source goes away (A-Rod), he just pops right up and just goes along with everything the MLB had been wanting him to say. It's bullying, not digging. Threatening him with the equivalent we'll sue the shit out of you if you don't tell us what we want to hear.

Yes, people lie all the time, but that still doesn't mean that it's not his first offense. The scale is 1st offense - 50 games, 2nd - 100 games, 3rd - lifetime. 65 isn't on the scale, and again, is unheard of.