shit, its the cops...wait

>Implying the majority of people who complain about cops have ever interacted with cops.

HFW no alcoholic drink..

public intoxication

Public intoxication is a charge formed to allow the police to arrest someone's who's being a public nuisance after a night of drinking. The point isn't that the person's drunk, it's that they're annoying. Otherwise cops would be able to just wait until you leave the bar, and arrest you before getting to the car. Plus, the extent that you get arrested is that they dump you in a drunk tank until morning.

The same with having an open container. It's to give the cop a reason to get you out of the car so he can test to see if you're drunk or not. Otherwise, the guy would just start bickering about his "freedums" when the cop tries to give him a field sobriety test.

i dont know how it is there but where i live drinking in public is illegal

So first, they're not doing anything illegal. Now, they're doing something illegal, but not illegal enough to make the cops angry. You sure are quick to abandon your last point just so you can keep arguing.

Drinking in public is most certainly illegal in the U.S. There is a difference between whether it's illegal and whether a cop will bother to arrest you for it, yes, but it most certainly isn't true that they 'weren't doing anything illegal.'

You've never heard of a tailgate before, have you?

You've never read a comment before, have you?

I *clearly* wrote 'There is a difference between whether it's illegal and whether a cop will arrest you for it.' Drinking in public is technically illegal. Yes, that includes at a tailgate. Luckily, if you don't make an ass out of yourself, the majority of police officers don't care; that doesn't change what the law itself says, though. If they wanted to arrest you for drinking in public, they could, tailgate or otherwise.

Mardi Gras, Vegas, and basically any special circumstance. It's local law at best

"Freedums"? If our freedoms aren't important to you, I wish you luck in moving to a country that's not founded on them.

Which freedom are you vouching for exactly? The freedom to drive drunk? I'm not sure anyone has that freedom anywhere in a part of the world that's civilized...nor should we.

All of them. Also, in the context of your comment, the relevant freedom is the prohibition of unreasonable searches and seizures, not driving drunk.

The problem is if you're driving drunk, you're committing a crime. You're endangering everyone's life including your own.

Besides, it isn't an illegal search/seize. If the cop sees an empty container when he looks in the car, meaning it's in plan view, he has probable cause to suspect that you were drinking. He doesn't know if that was there because you had just been drinking it, or because your friends didn't take their trash with them from the previous night, but I'd feel much safer knowing that if he runs into that situation, he's going to make sure the person driving that car isn't drunk off his ass. I have enough responsibility to not drive when drunk, but no matter what I do with my own life, other people will still drive drunk, and risk my life with theirs even though I was doing what I was supposed to do.

But you're right, we SHOULD have the right to tell a cop to go **** himself if he suspects we've been drinking, just like we should have the right to get in an accident and kill someone because we were too drunk to properly handle a 2 ton, screaming, metal death trap.

tl;dr
My whole point was just to respect your freedoms, but if you're arguing that unreasonable search and seizure is okay because it might reduce drunk driving incidents, then personally I am disappointed in the level of education they teach in your school system, and hope you find a way to move to a country where you'll be in better company and won't have to fight to impose your will on a constitution you don't understand or agree with.

What I said disappointed you in the level of education in our country, yet you couldn't be arsed to read a paragraph and a half of what that was?

You voted republican in the last election, didn't you?

I read your first and last sentence and realized you were going into detail about drunk driving, and I couldn't care less. I only commented on how you esteem our freedoms.

I wasn't able to vote last election, but if I could it wouldn't have been for Obama. That just seemed like common sense to me, but I see a lot of people are confused about things like how the economy works and why we need rights.

Once you prove you're not actually drunk, he's supposed to let you on your way (he's keeping the Jack Daniels, unfortunately). If he doesn't, and you're arrested anyway, again contact your congressman.

TL;DR: In an ideal situation, if you're not breaking the law, you never get searched, or seized. Hell, that barely happens if you do break the law. If you're butthurt over the state of the law, then contact your congressman, though good luck proving a point that'll just make it easier for people to drink and drive.

You seem to be going about "illegal searches and seizes" though, which is really only tangential to what would be discussed. You make it sound like any time a cop requires somebody to step out of their car, they're doing so illegally. They're not. By that point (I hope) there's been enough probable cause to make the guy want to be absolutely sure the guy isn't drunk before letting him go.

For one, the fact that he's stopped in the first place suggests there was some violation that'd initiate any stop. This can be anywhere from "Your taillight's out" to "You know that was a 9 year old you just ran down, right?" A traffic stop is already like a miniature detaining because a crime has already been committed. If your concern is that cops are stopping people when traffic violations haven't been committed, contact your congressman.

Second, chances are most potential DUIs aren't even DUIs until the cop gets to the window and it's painfully friggen obvious the guy has been drinking more than a Brazilian during Carnival. If the guy's asking you to get out of the car, you're allowed to ask why. If you slur the question out, then you should know why. Chances are if you've had ANYTHING to drink by that point, you know why. You were probably waiting for it, hoping it didn't. If you're sober, and he stopped you on a small speeding violation, then maybe he saw the bottle of Jack Daniels you didn't even realize your roommate left in there from the night prior. Well **** , now you have to make a mental note to kick his ass when you get home. He's going to have to ********** that if it's open, and you're going to have to receive a field sobriety test just to prove that the bottle isn't half empty because you chose to shotgun it before getting behind the wheel. Lucky for you, you're sober, so this should just be 30 seconds of hopscotch to prove you're not hammered.

Don't bother man, they're in their own little world. But also do not represent the majority of my countrymen, only a few of them are dumb ***** .

Okay, like I said I don't really care about the drunk driving stuff. I didn't comment on it. And I already know how the 4th Amendment applies to traffic stops, but have a nice day, and remember not to make too much fun of freedoms because they are your friend.

and no matter how you hash it, they could have arrested her if they wanted to

The issue isn't whether they could or couldn't it's whether they would or wouldn't. Laws are enforced to keep the peace, which is why most decent cops won't bother arresting you if you're not actually disturbing the peace. Those guys weren't disturbing anyone, which is why they didn't arrest them.

police have high rates of discretion
that could have been perceived as disorderly conduct

But they wouldn't unless there was some kind of crime that would be prevented from it. Of course now, that is dependent on how much of an ass the cop is.

You have nothing to back that statment up

That's because it's a prospective statement. It's hypothetical. It's not going to have anything to back it up because it wouldn't have happened yet.

before getting to the car?
are you retarded?

What exactly are you trying to get out of this conversation?

If it's just to call me an idiot no matter what I say, that's fine, but I'd rather you tell me now so I know not to write so much in my replies.

I can just post reaction pics. I don't waste much time, and you get to insult people. win-win.

I ask myself that very same question every day when I start some ****

But speaking as an ******* that I am, I think wasting your time is actually what he is intending to get out of this

I'm saying that you're trying to say cops would try to catch them walking to their ******* car, which they shouldn't be driving in a drunken state, and yes, they do try to catch drunk drivers with traps, it's called road block inspections, so yes that comment was ******* retarded kn numerous ways and I am calling you on it

1. You're making the assumption that they're not drunkenly stumbling to their car with a DD. I didn't mention one because it was irrelevant.
2. No, I didn't say that's what would happen. In fact, I'm saying that generally doesn't happen because of the point you made. It'd be retarded. I was making the point that the law about "drunk and in public" isn't just to keep drunk people from being out in the street, it's about giving the police a reason to remove disorderly people from the general public. That's the primary reason for that law, which is why you generally don't see cops standing outside of bars waiting for drunk people to leave.

Cops don't do that. It is retarded for them to do that, but the point I was trying to make wasn't that they do it.

No, we already mentioned that they are drunk, that is a given.

Drunk in the car, or drunk on the way from the bar to whatever mode of transportation they're taking home?

The first was a given, yes. The second isn't a given. The second is what the cop has to find out at the traffic stop.

No , you said drunk on the way to the car.
Idiot.

So you're assuming that the two irrelevant examples are meant to be lumped together?

Go back and read the two comments right next to each other.
We were talking about cops stopping people while drunk and you said you don't see them waiting for them to come out of the bar DRUNK on the way to their CAR.
Shut up.

"The first was a given, yes."

I explicitly said that the individual was drunk in that particular example. You did read the comment, right?

Listen up Cox
You ******* goofed
Just stop trying to talk you way out of it
you said the drunk guy was walking to his car

Yes, yes I ******* did. We established that 5 times now. I never tried to say he wasn't drunk. You asked me to explain that he was drunk, I did, and you kept going on as though I never admitted that fact. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Does this all have an underlying point?

The point is that you're a retard for making an example where cops wouldn't want to stop a drunk person from getting into his car.
Stop replying **** for brains, we're done.

You're really going to pick nits at my hypothetical example, nits I already explained don't really fit? Go look back at the very same comment I quoted before. Him going from the bar to his car could be him trying to get home drunk, via his car, or with a designated driver. Hell, I've done that. I've walked from a bar to my own car, yet not driven home. Why? I had a friend there to drive me.

Why didn't I mention it before? Because it's goddamn irrelevant. If a guy is walking back to his car, alone, and drunk, then yet the cop is going to have every reason to stop him, but even then he doesn't have to arrest him. All he needs to do is keep the guy from getting in his car, and telling him to either call a taxi, a friend, or sit in the drunk tank. If the guy is walking to his car with a friend, who's obviously not drunk, then he'd have no reason to stop, or arrest him. He's not driving home. His friend is. However, if you take the "drunk and in public" law at face value, then the whole thing gets ridiculous since, friend or not, the guy is both drunk, and in public. It's to call to attention the fact that the law isn't meant to just be keeping drunk people out of the public eye, it's to keep belligerent people from being out in public.

You think you got it now or do you have something else to grasp at to try and win the argument?

We're not even having an argument, you're just blabbering on.

Did you actually read what I was babbling on about so that you could find something else wrong with it? Because unless you do that, I'm just going to assume that you're an ******* trying to use shenanigans to win an internet argument, and since there's nothing left in my argument to point at, you're just going to blatantly call it "stupid" and hope that works.

If that's the case, I'm going to assume that there is no longer anything wrong with my argument. If there is, point it out, and I'll address it. If not, say I'm still babbling on and leave it at that.

The only thing you've proven here is how pathetic and idiotic you are

kill yourself

I read it.
It was drivel.
We're done.

"If not, say I'm still babbling on, and move on."

Very well, I'm left to assume that you no longer see anything wrong with my argument, and you're just a troll. Thank you.

Sure just morph the argument to believe what you want to, ok/
Just stop trying to tell me that your steaming crap is a french delicacy.

Sorry, but the conversation's over. If you want to continue, you can, but all you'll get out of me is reaction pics. You'll have to seek validation elsewhere.

I've been saying that for the last 12 comments you dumb **** .
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

keep going ******

you were done about 30 comments ago

keep going

Not done yet ****** .

keep it up ******

idiot...

stfu

Shut up ****** .

Now you're just getting plain pathetic.
See how far you can dig yourself down.

it's private property and they allow beer on the premises. being the phillies team field and all. cops are their for traffic and ******* containment only.

I'm not from America, but isn't drinking alcohol in public illegal?

in most places, yes it is, but there are a few areas where it's allowed and they mostly have to do with tailgating events so it would be legal in this situation.

In that situation it wouldn't be illegal, but being drunk and public and disorderly conduct is still illegal. I mean, those ******** are going into that game drunk, and Philadelphia sports fans (being one myself) are volatile enough sober (and least the "sheep ******* " are), so I'm siding with the cops with this one.

true but I didn't see anything that proved they were drunk necessarily. I mean excited yeah but I don't think you can completely say those two were "hammered" which would make their acts still legal. ... unless you found the video source or something in that case gladly stand corrected.

That woman downed a whole can with a bear bong in one go, I think it is safe to assume that if they are not drunk already, they are going to be (and again, being a fan of Philadelphia sports, it's ******** like that that give us a bad reputation, so I feel little sympathy for them).

it probably veries from person to person but a freind of mine is a cop who works big games and concerts and stuff, it is agaisnt the rules but he says him and all the other cops usually just let it go as long as they dont see a clearly marked beer can/bottle, so if you just use those red plastic cups they wont write you a ticket or anything unless youre a huge dick

I hope the grammar nazis dont find me.. can i hide in someones basement for a while?

I would offer you my attic... but it's kinda occupied at the moment.

I live in the America's attic bring me up a cold one

but Canada has better beer

I Know. L'Achimist Bock is so ******* amazing

good luck with that holding up in court

wheres the beer?

in her blood

which would prove shes had a beer (which is legal) but doesn't prove she had one in public (which is illegal).

both the cops saw her and they probably have cameras on their bikes

You may not know this, but if you witness someone doing something, that does hold up in court .

You're one of those people who gets pulled over when you're blazed outta your mind high, you reek of weed, and have blood shot eyes, and you look the cop in the eye and say "no officer i'm not high, I don't have any drugs" and then when the cops find weed in your car you say "prove that it's mine, I know my rights"

i wish i could give your comment more thumbs up

you can drink during a tailgate, but let's say it wasn't legal then for evidence there's a ******* video of them drinking in public

You people have laws against drinking in public, or is it just in specific public places?

Theres laws against drinking in public unless its a registered and fenced off area. Canada police, if they suspect you drinking in public, will inspect your bags and dump out all the beer you have in there if they find any.

You can drink in the parking lot of a stadium.

Your jealousy of America is really starting to make you a bitter person. Try unclenching your ******* .

Noo, if he unclenches it how else can we make diamonds outta coal??

Please show me the American way of unclenching since it's obviously superior to everyone else's way.

The last time somebody told me to do that it didn't go well

He's right. You Miller and Bud light are akin to camel piss. I like your micro brews though. I had some stuff from the New Glaurus brewery when I was working in Wisconsin, loved it. Particularly Spotted Cow. Hoppy, yet leaves a fruity taste lingering on the tongue.

I live in Anerica. The beer sucks.

I don't know, maybe try some local beers or craft beers you ******* retard. Bud Light is not the only American beer.

I have. It may just be the people where I live that can't do it right, but every local brew I've had sucks.

If your ever in the north west, give the skagit brews a try. they are generally liked by anyone ive ever showed them to.

Midwest and Northeast got pretty good craft beers. There is no secret to European beers, anyone in the US could make it if they wanted, but the money is in cheap light beer for college students.

Miller Highlife and Bud Light Lime are both very good. I live in the Northeast but am not 21 yet so i have yet to try craft beers. Cant wait for that though.

I've had micros in Nevada and Utah, those were pretty good. But I live in Florida, soo.... They can't do it right. I've had some of the beers my old teacher makes and he's been doing it for 20 years and it is piss poor.

it's not ****** , it's great for chugging and is a great beer to start out with before going over to beer with stronger tastes

was this comment really necessary?

Was your comment really necessary?

Yeh.

Well there's your answer then.

Yeh.

What the similarity between american beer and ******* in a canoe?

Its ******* close to water.

Technically he's right, he said "one moment", you said "a moment". Both are fine.

... No.

I speak spanish, "uno momento" doesn't make any sense.

Seems to me like you have a very strange view of cops.
It sounds to me, like you view cops as cold automatonic buzz-kills, who are only out to ruin your fun, yet for some reason you still defend them.
Who says that what shes doing is even illigal? It sure as **** isn't illigal where i live, to drink in public, and if it was i'm rather certain like 90% of the cops would straight up ignore that law, because we'de all know it was ******* silly as balls.
And what the **** is "The tank"? It dosen't sound like something you'de ever have a reason to "send" people to...

Erm, what? You must not live in the U.S. then, because it's illegal everywhere here (and you would know what the drunk tank is.) And my post doesn't imply that cops are 'automatonic buzz-kills'; You need to read more thoroughly, that's the complete opposite of what I was saying. This post implies that it's UNUSUAL for a police officer to act this way, when it's really not. The sign of a damn good cop is knowing how to do your job WITHOUT being a 'cold automatonic buzz-kill,' especially if this is a college town.

My entire point was that this gif doesn't show anything other than a campus cop acting the way a campus cop should; we don't get to see whether he's cool with it or not, we don't get to see if they were doing something beforehand worthy of having the cops called on them; all we see is a police officer who's friendly with the people in his area. I didn't even remotely comment on what I thought he would do or what the right decision would be; I was pointing out he hasn't *made* any decision yet. If you think a police officer being friendly when he approaches is OUT of the ordinary, you're the one who thinks they're all buzz-kills.

True. I dont live in the US. I live in Europe, where we have freedom to do as we please.

Sorry. I just couldn't help myself. I also couldn't give two ***** about this debate at the pressent time.

It has nothing to do with more or less freedom. If you can't be bothered to read, then maybe you should work on 'helping yourself' since you missed the entire point of the comment. And, you've actually given pretty much exactly two ***** about it, since you've responded exactly twice already.

Dude. Responding is not the same thing as giving a **** . Especially my last response could hardly called giving a **** .

I supose at the end of the day, i just dont care enough about American police policy to want to debate it. I'll never live in the US, so its not my problem one way or the other.

Where on earth were we debating American police policy? I was talking about how police BEHAVE and very specifically mentioned that this gif hasn't shown any of the actual legal process. Pretty much every country in the world has some way to arrest you for making a drunken ass out of yourself in public; I know for a fact that the UK, New Zealand, Hungary, Finland, Czech, Norway, Poland, Spain, and Switzerland *ALL* have such policies, so I'm not sure where in Europe you live that it's legal. The only country I know of where public drinking is *legal* is Russia, and even they will send you to a 24 hour drunk tank if you pass out (exactly what happens in the U.S. if you're drunk in public.)

This could have happened anywhere and my point would be the same: that point being that all we see in this gif is a cop acting the way a cop should. No good cop, anywhere, would pull up to something like this and immediately go Buzz Killington on the situation, regardless of the laws. If you've never seen a cop being friendly like this, it's your own fault, as you've obviously done something to anger them every time.

And, yes, responding is pretty much giving a **** . I generally don't make a habit of going out of my way to continue a conversation I don't give a **** about. Unless what you 'give a **** about' is your silly internet pride and you're just looking for the last words, in which case you can have it by all means.

Dude. Why did you bother writing a wall of text to a person who just said he wasn't going to give a **** ?

Again, responsing and giving a **** , are two seperate things. I'm just bored, so i repsond. Not bored enough to want this debate though. I'll stop replying now, as you seem to be too thick to get the message...

And we're at 4 ***** ! 4 ***** ladies and gentleman! Would you care to raise it to 5, my good sir?

(I like that. Whoops, I'm wrong! Better say I never gave a **** and leave!)

Dude. I never i didn't a give about talking to you. I'de like to talk to you. I just give a **** about the particular debate we were having.
If you'de bother to read my comments, instead of flying off into an impudent rage, when i insulted your 'freedoms', you'd have noticed.

If you wanna talk about something, sure. Bring up a topic. I just really could not care any less about what the American police does or dosen't do.

I thought you were going to stop replying now? That looks an awful lot like a reply! Six ***** , ladies and gentleman! Who wants to raise it to seven?

Are you even reading my comments anymore?
Or do you just copy paste replys from an allready written list of comments titeled "I'm a ******* douchbag.txt"?

And another reply! (And, no. You've pretty clearly indicated by both your misinterpretation and your direct statement that you're not reading mine, so why should I read yours?)

It's cute how you said you don't give a **** and you won't reply, and yet, look! You're still here!

Well, then. You aparently dont seem to understand i'll be rolling my face around on the keyboard from now on. Perhaps an equal stupid way of communication, as the one you deploy, will somehow breach the gulf of brain-death that seperates you from the rest of humanity.
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Dude what

Only in some states, and because they are on private property it's legal.

...No, it's illegal in all states, and 'private property' does not protect you when said property is a public location (sporting event, school, non-private shopping center, etc.)

States such as Nevada, Montana, and Missouri do not criminalize being drunk in public. The city of Milwaukee allows people to be drunk in public, although other municipalities in Wisconsin outlaw public drunkenness. Unless it becomes a federal offence, it will forever be under the hands of local jurisdiction. To say it is illegal in all states is foolish, next you'll say prostitution through a brothel is illegal in every state as well.

Yeah, most european/rest of America countryes dont have that kind of law.

Same with me.

>would of

Those are definitely two words from my above comment

It should have been "would have" but nobody cares

Ooooh... See, this is why I need to stop typing like I speak, because I say 'Would of', which to my ears and mind means 'Would've'

My mistake, brb committing Seppuku to appease the Grammer Nazis I have dishonored

Have fun

I care <3

And you see absolutely nothing wrong?

Well now that it has been pointed out to me, kinda, however I am still trying to iron out the difference between the two so I may not sally the internet with more bad grammar

>MFW grammar **** up

Sully*

*sigh* Some how I knew I would some how mess something up

I'll get my own gold star, thank you very much

Because in america it's illegal to drink in public

Land of the free indeed..

They aren't doing anything illegal though, parking lot doesn't count as public. It's most likely part of a tailgate.
You just can't be walking down the streets drunk or drinking. I guess because people should have the freedom to not deal with their **** .

It isn't in all states.

seriously?!
**** , that sucks

It was a terrible idea and definitely not gangster. After trying twice to beat my time, I got thrown out of the club, blacked out and woke up in an old ladies shed with my trousers in the next door neighbours shed. She didn't call the police on the condition I clear her Garden of leaves. Nice lady. I still go round to help out sometimes.

or it's because she isn't doing anything illegal

the parking lot counts as private property however.

makes sense.

That's the Phillies logo, you philistine.

I have no idea what that is.

Philadelphia's baseball team.

That and they're tailgating at a game, so this is perfectly legal as far as I know.