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User avatar #9619 - captaincupcakez (02/07/2013) [-]
Christianity more or less teaches that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour, you will suffer for eternity in hell. Even if you are a good person, or equally devoted to another religion.
The religion you have is largely influenced by your place of birth. If God chooses for you to be born to a poor family in India, the chances of you becoming Christian are near zero. If God chooses for you to be born to a middle class American Christian family, there is an extremely high chance you will be brought up with a Christian view on life. I can almost certainly say that if I was brought up by Christian parents, there is a much higher chance I would be Christian today.
In essence, God chooses certain people to burn for eternity and they have no say in the matter.

There is no credible evidence for the existence of God aside from the scriptures and the argument of "intelligent design" in the natural world.

1. I don't think it's reasonable to base my entire outlook on life on a book with many authors, and although I don't say the bible is complete lies, it doesn't really count as proof.

2. The natural world provides no more evidence for the existence of your god than it does for the thousands of gods imagined throughout history, which is to say, none. Our ignorance to how nature and life itself came about does not justify the speculation that God did it.

To Christians: Do you think I'm going to hell? If yes, why? Why would God condemn me to eternal torture just for not believing him in the face of a huge lack of evidence? Why did he create me with my questioning, rational mind if I was going to be punished for exercising it? If no, then there's no reason to bother believing in him anyway.

Do you believe in Zeus? Do you believe in unicorns? Do you believe in the flying frigging spaghetti monster? Well....no, you don't. But why? Ask yourself that, and you'll realise why I do not believe in your God.
User avatar #9845 to #9619 - blargspasm (02/08/2013) [-]
I'm Christian, and I don't believe in the whole hell thing. If I am going to believe that god truly loves humans, I can't believe he condemns a large percentage to burn for eternity. Regardless of what the bible says.
User avatar #9764 to #9619 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
Before I make my comment I want to clarify that I have not yet read the other replies, so if I repeat anything said by Zlamous or anyone else, I apologize.

God does not intend for some people to be better oriented for Christianity than others. We're all equal in His eyes. Therefore it is most likely His intention that we reshape all nations to be Christian nations, thereby ensuring everyone a healthy spiritual upbringing. If a child is born without access to the Gospel, that is not the fault of God, but the fault of man for withholding the Gospel from them.

1. The fact that the Bible has many authors serves the idea that there were many witnesses to the miracles and workings of God and Jesus. I agree it's not definitive proof, but it helps our faith nonetheless.

2. Our inability to fully understand the natural world may not justify the assumption that there is a God, but there should be no restrictions on speculation. Until someone proves us wrong, faith is a valid placeholder.

Do I think you're going to hell? I can't say definitively. If we are to go by the Bible, then yes, unless you repent and seek the grace of Jesus. And God is not the one condemning you. You're condemning yourself. Jesus gives you the option of going to heaven through His grace, and all you have to do is ask Him for it. But if you reject it, then you are choosing to go to hell. That's what so many nonbelievers fail to grasp. Hell is optional. But again, I don't claim to know what God has planned for you. I am not the Judge, therefore it is not my place to make that call.
User avatar #9651 to #9619 - marinepenguin (02/07/2013) [-]
I feel the same way dude.
User avatar #9650 to #9619 - captaincupcakez (02/07/2013) [-]
zlamous jokeface

as much as we disagree, I want to hear your viewpoints on this
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User avatar #9626 to #9619 - eight (02/07/2013) [-]
Couldn't have said it better myself.
User avatar #9621 to #9619 - captaincupcakez (02/07/2013) [-]
I want to find out more about the world. I'd love to know how life came to be, and how our world began, however the only way I see to do this is through scientific method, and the ability to prove ourselves wrong should we find a more detailed explanation.

While I completely understand why you may have faith, this applies solely to you, and your reasons for "faith" do not apply to a single other person on this earth.

also, can we all stop with the whole "atheists thumb theists down, theists thumb atheists down" thing? It's pretty immature, I just want a rational discussion...
User avatar #9624 to #9621 - reretzu (02/07/2013) [-]
Thank you for saying this, this is almost exactly how I feel and I probably couldn't have said it better myself.
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