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oxan ONLINE (09/26/2012) [-] Most people generally cite 'hurr, if everyone earns the same, then there's no incentive'. That, however, is a lie. In socialism, whether it be the transitional stage, or the final goal, there's still differences in income. Additionally, there's always other benefits (better accommodation, or, in the USSR, a permit for relocation, etc) to encourage hard work.
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N. Korean citizen (09/25/2012) [-]
Communism taken in the sense of an ideology that is to be put into practice via a vanguard is doomed for absolute failure because it denies the basic principle of Marxist thought. Any self proclaimed communist, or socialist governments set up with communist 'parties' are therefore failures even before they are in power. They go against Marx and cannot call themselves marxists. They are as utopian as Owens and should be completely disregarded.
Because of this I can't answer your question. If you are referring to the bureaucratic state capitalist system established by Russia and other eastern bloc countries then what people have been posting here is generally true. The "Good idea in practice" refers to Marx's ideals, which most people posting don't have a strong grasp on to begin with to even make such a statement. The "Impossible in theory" is the expression of their ignorance on the subject of Marx (not to be taken offensively) when applied to their knowledge of what had happened in the Eastern Bloc Countries to create an ultimatum.
I hate the eastern bloc countries; I rarely refer to these countries as Marxist, or let alone socialist.
Because of this I can't answer your question. If you are referring to the bureaucratic state capitalist system established by Russia and other eastern bloc countries then what people have been posting here is generally true. The "Good idea in practice" refers to Marx's ideals, which most people posting don't have a strong grasp on to begin with to even make such a statement. The "Impossible in theory" is the expression of their ignorance on the subject of Marx (not to be taken offensively) when applied to their knowledge of what had happened in the Eastern Bloc Countries to create an ultimatum.
I hate the eastern bloc countries; I rarely refer to these countries as Marxist, or let alone socialist.
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arisaka (09/25/2012) [-] To further justify my answer, Marx views 'communism' as a specific stage in history. It is NOT something that is to be put into place. Nor is it a 'perfect world'; the natural environment can still have grievous effects on peoples lives, for example. Writing a pros and cons list is therefore also impossible because it implies what I had stated above; the negation of traditional Marxist thought (establishing a regime via a vanguard party) and the creation of yet another reactionary political institution, and the desire TO DO SO.
To answer this question one must read Marx.
To answer this question one must read Marx.
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akkere ONLINE (09/24/2012) [-] Pros: It's an ideal government of progession
Cons: It's the most unstable form of government and far too reliant on a number of circumstances
1. That the Leaders are good people who have the nation's best interests in mind
2. That the people have some level of positive incentive to work to gain higher, harder working positions. If everyone's going to be paid the same no matter what job they take, you'll find no one has ambition to move up the ladder.
3. Any ambition that is harvested will have to endure against the fact that their projects can be derailed to fit the needs of the people and not their personal interests (this can cause altercations)
I don't think people realize just how fragile and unrealistic communism is. It's like something you'd put in a fictional tale about some kingdom that had this great thing going for it.
That's why most communist governments have changed into something else, I.E. Vietnam, China, and Russia.
Cons: It's the most unstable form of government and far too reliant on a number of circumstances
1. That the Leaders are good people who have the nation's best interests in mind
2. That the people have some level of positive incentive to work to gain higher, harder working positions. If everyone's going to be paid the same no matter what job they take, you'll find no one has ambition to move up the ladder.
3. Any ambition that is harvested will have to endure against the fact that their projects can be derailed to fit the needs of the people and not their personal interests (this can cause altercations)
I don't think people realize just how fragile and unrealistic communism is. It's like something you'd put in a fictional tale about some kingdom that had this great thing going for it.
That's why most communist governments have changed into something else, I.E. Vietnam, China, and Russia.
