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#646 to #572
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FuckingMagnets (06/13/2012) [-]
Every strive toward communism is either sabotaged by capitalists or opportunists like Stalin. We need a real dictatorship of the proletariat, like pre-stalin soviet union. If Trotsky would have taken over the newly socialist USSR after Lenin's death, he would have pushed for workers revolution in Germany. Subsequently, Germany, an industrialized nation, would industrialize Russia. No rise of fascism, no Hitler, no Stalinist gulags, no five year plan.
Also, Marxist theory doesn't say anything about any vanguard or party coup. It's about spreading class consciousness so that the workers would organize revolution. This is a concept both anarchists and communists revere. The split has to do with the military takeover by a vanguard party, as the Bolsheviks did.
"If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years."
- Vladimir Lenin
What is your political stance delta? At least you aren't a fucking Alex Jones Ron Paulite "jews did 9/11" and "The US funded Lenin" libertarian.
Also, Marxist theory doesn't say anything about any vanguard or party coup. It's about spreading class consciousness so that the workers would organize revolution. This is a concept both anarchists and communists revere. The split has to do with the military takeover by a vanguard party, as the Bolsheviks did.
"If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years."
- Vladimir Lenin
What is your political stance delta? At least you aren't a fucking Alex Jones Ron Paulite "jews did 9/11" and "The US funded Lenin" libertarian.
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Mentoman (06/12/2012) [-]
Anarchism sounds like a "fun" concept, but without some sort of governing body, there is nothing to stop the psychopath with the gun from taking control, which would be just as bad as the governments we have today, only that government couldn't provide energy, food, housing, or protection.
As much as people hate modern governments, they fail to realize that those same governments are the things that give them the quality of life that they have, so that they can hate those governments that provide that life.
As much as people hate modern governments, they fail to realize that those same governments are the things that give them the quality of life that they have, so that they can hate those governments that provide that life.
but the goverments take control of the people , sucking out theyre money and blood , the capitalism must beoverthrown in order that the people will live equally and there wont be classes
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give what you can
take what you need
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give what you can
take what you need
#514 to #513
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Mentoman (06/12/2012) [-]
People won't live in equality, especially not with anarchism. It sounds pretty, but is incedibly flawed.
For instance, without a government regulating the power plants that deliver energy to your computer, how would you post this comment here?
Without a government to protect you/keep the peace, who would stop the man with the bigger gun from taking your things, or taking your life?
Without a government to regulate the shipping of food from distribution centers to stores/restaurants, what would you eat?
For instance, without a government regulating the power plants that deliver energy to your computer, how would you post this comment here?
Without a government to protect you/keep the peace, who would stop the man with the bigger gun from taking your things, or taking your life?
Without a government to regulate the shipping of food from distribution centers to stores/restaurants, what would you eat?
the people will regulate the power plants , the food shipmenet , people thatcan , its simple a man that wont give what he can wont get what need , in spain there was an anarchist country , and everything was alright till the second world war came in , if you want a modern example let me tell you that the is a own here that lives by these rules of anarchism and theyre lifestyle is pretty good , so i gave you two examples , can you give me atleat 2 that anarchist community is bad?
maybe , it will last becuz the people will live in fear of no success in life , to be serious , i dont like living in fear , it wil long enough for people to understand its better that way , anarchism that is , capitalism is making people hungry and poor , did you know that 50% of food that is sold im super markets is just thrown away? why not send it to those starving kids? only becuz they make no money of it
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Mentoman (06/12/2012) [-]
Did you know that the government has nothing to do with that? Its the people. You don't hate the government, you hate the people, but you lack the courage to admit it. Instead of whining about it on the internet, go start an awareness campaign, if it really matters to you so much.