Love it.

Bit too detached from Europe at the moment (Get in there and help the Germans get the Greeks, French and their punk-ass bitch asses moving in the direction of a Federal Republic of European Nations). Also, help America; his self-esteem is low, and the world can't afford that with power-hungry Chinks and Russkies all over the place. But other than that. Thumbs up.

Too socialist, as is all of Europe

Define socialism, the US think universal healthcare is socialist so...

Universal Healthcare is extremely socialist. Socialism is a ideology that focuses on the sharing of wealth and elimination of classes. It's been proven to be ineffective.

INCORRECT.... people mix communisum and socialism up.... My history teacher explained what socialism is. Socialism is equality for opportunity meaning it doesn't matter what class your born into if you work hard you can achieve big. The correct definition of socialism is the government helps with welfare when it is nessecary i.e. free health-care. However what people do not understand is that they think socialism means people will be lazy, which in real socialisim is not what is suppose to happen. Socialism is suppose to enable people to work hard to achieve great. Socialism is suppose to co-inside with capitalism. Socialism just gets rid of class splits etc. For instance, a child like Einstien sort of clever is born into a working class family, and works hard all his life and wants to get into school and is a hard worker, he can't go because the school he applied for (i.e best in the country) is for upper middle class only. Even though he contributes well to society and works hard, he doesn't get rewarded nor does he accomplish his set goals. Socialism allows him to get into the school, if he works hard he will be rewarded. This is what socialism is about not everyone is equal no class system because that wouldn't work. But its allowing everyone the same opportunity in life as the next person and if they take hold of this opportunity they will reek the benefits

Are you stupid? Capitalism gives everyone opportunity to succeed. Socialism creates economic equality between people which means that no matter how hard you work you are going to get the same benefits as everyone else. This breeds laziness and is why socialism doesn't work. A purely socialist state doesn't allow for opportunity. A doctor or a lawyer would get the same benefits as a garbageman or a store clerk. Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, as seen in massive failure of the ONLY purely socialist state, the Soviet Union. And I know that the Soviet Union was communist, but as it evolved it became more socialist than communist.

Did you not listen to anything i said... True socialism means you work hard you get rewarded...

That's not right. You don't understand socialism, do you? The primary idea of socialism is that everyone is equal in every single way, including economically. Everyone gets the same benefits regardless of what they do. that means that someone who works really hard would get the same benefits from the government as someone who doesn't work. The reason socialism doesn't work is because nobody is going to work harder to make up for the people that don't. On paper, ideas like communism and socialism look good, but they are impossible to carry out. Saying that you are rewarded for working hard in a socialist system is wrong.

Not that is communisum where everyone is equal.... everyone gets them mixed up, communisum is where everyone is equal and is the extreme of the left wing. Socialism i will say again is EQUALITY FOR OPPORTUNITY

SOCIALISM GIVES YOU LESS OPPORTUNITY THAN CAPITALISM

Classes do not exist, therefore there is no incentive to work hard to advance. You have nowhere to go in socialism becaus everyone is totally equal. With capitalism, you have the opportunity to be rich and buy whatever you want if you work extremely hard (ie the American Dream). If you're lazy you don't get handouts and are forced to work to survive.

www.thefreedictionary.com/socialism

No i believe that capitalism you do have more opportunities... i just want to end talking to you. So whatever you're right if you say so.

The actual definition of the term "socialism" disproves what youre saying...

Not the definition i know.

Because the definiton you know is wrong, and I have given you proof that it's wrong in the form of a dictionary definition.

You gave one definition from one dictionary. Also your saying a number of teachers are wrong then ok cool.

I'm not denying that there's no opportunity in a socialist system, I'm just saying that it's much less than with capitalism. I think I did mix it up in my earlier comment when I said that people who don't work get the same benefits as someone who doesn't. I understand that socialism you get paid out by the government according to your amount of work, but the point is that everyone gets enough resources to survive if they work very easy jobs and don't get many more benefits if they work at very difficult jobs. The point of socialism is for everyone who is part of the work force to have sufficient resources to live from the government, but that lowers incentive to succeed because they have more than enough to survive on. Socialism also puts a huge amount of pressure on the government for funding, and it almost certainly wouldn't be able to sustain itself for long while providing for every single citizen. In a capitalist system, people have to work harder to get the benefits that they want, which helps society to naturally improve. If someone's lazy and doesn't want to work then they don't get what they need, same as in a socialist system. The difference, however, is that in capitalism that person always has an opportunity to succeed and become rich. A socialist system pretty much has a set cap on how much a person can get, while a capitalist system gives that person much more incentive to work towards that goal of being rich and successful, which has absolutely no set cap. The people in capitalist countries have more opportunity simply because it is freer. While some people may not be up to par with what they want, it is many times the fault of the person themselves (obviously there are people who can't do work to succeed, like someone who's totally paralyzed; those are the people who I believe the government should be responsible to help out). Socialism limits your success, while capitalist does not, therefore it's not correct to say socialism has more opportunity.

Hmmm i see what your saying actually. And yeah i don't think i said it and if i did i go back on it but i believe capitalism does have plenty more opportunities... I am just venting out that people don't understand the truth of socialism and mix it up with communisum, i am not saying its the best way... just its different to communisum and i agree, Capitalism gives much more opportunity

>Implying capitalism is effective.
To me you seem like an extremely indoctrinated USfag.

Capitalism IS effective. That's the reason the US is as powerful as it is. A democratic nation with given freedoms will prosper more than any other nation. You can make a case that another nation right now is better than the US, but the US was the one who popularized Democracy and is the reason why it's still so prominent in the world today.

The US is one of the most powerful and influential countries that has ever existed, and it is also the first country to promote capitalism on a large scale.

Completely off topic, but has the rest of the discussion gone walkies for you as well?

Idk what "walkies" means lol.

And I just realized my reply to your comment below didn't post. I'm too lazy to retype it though.

Has it disappeared for you as well.
walkies / walkabout is slang where I am for its gone.

Yes it dissapeared

I say we blame the government.

The UK held the largest empire in history through mercantilism and America has yet to come near the expanse of land held, today it still holds a massive sphere of influence within the commonwealth, the US popularizing democracy, you've got to be kidding me, coming from those who only gave every citizen the right to vote 60 years ago, also case for proving capitalism ineffective *Points to the third world/Middle east and africa* Prime example of why capitalism is flawed, now lets look to socialist countries, *Norway Sweden* Wow look at those economics flourishing countries.

"but the US was the one who popularized Democracy" Check the context please anon you've got to remember that under Capitalism someone somewhere along the line is likely to be exploited.
If I didn't know what I was talking about I doubt I'd be here(When in doubt adhom), either way its late and I've got work tomorrow morning so best of luck to you anon.

Once again check the context, silly anon read beyond that technically its a grammatical error, " also case for proving capitalism ineffective *Points to the third world/Middle east and africa* Prime example of why capitalism is flawed, now lets look to socialist countries, *Norway Sweden* Wow look at those economics flourishing countries."

I would say scross down for the rest of the argument but I cant find it for some reason /shrug.

Sweden, Norway, Finland: All capitalist countries at the core with some socialism laid over the top.

Completely socialist country? Welcome to glorious Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

I'm very much a royalist (Ausfag). I love Great Britain, especially the history. However, I don't know how I feel about the current government. I've lost touch with British politics. All I really know is that the Prime Minister made some stupid comments about France's socialist president (I support the French president entirely), and that there's some unrest in Northern Ireland.

Not much else.

socialism. good fish. London is nice sometimes.

that's about it.

Jubilee year, Britishman in the Wimbledon finals (didn't win sorry to hear that), hosting Olympics... If I were British (sorry I'm an Amerifag) I'd be very proud right now :D. As far as the government is concerned I'm one of those people that hope the monarchy never dies, there's something romantic and awesome about Royalty that I just can't describe it. To that I say your country is awesome despite our history together, Also you have 2 other awesome things. Blackpool Pleasure Beach (yeah I know about the Big One!) and Monty Python and the Holy Grail... Also Benny Hill, that's 3 things :D.

I have to give it to you brits. You made a smart decision not getting into that euro mess.