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#2371
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ginginhunter (06/26/2012) [-] Why is Religion , belief , faith is wrong?
>inb4 shitstorm
>inb4 OP cant inb4
>inb4 shitstorm
>inb4 OP cant inb4
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pakutto (06/27/2012) [-] It's not wrong. If someone wants to believe in a certain religion and have faith in it, who am I (or anyone else) to say that they can't?
But if you're talking politics... It's still not wrong. The government shouldn't do anything based on religion though. Freedom of religion is one of the many freedoms that this country is supposed to have.
But if you're talking politics... It's still not wrong. The government shouldn't do anything based on religion though. Freedom of religion is one of the many freedoms that this country is supposed to have.
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thesageteffect (06/27/2012) [-]
Trying to use science to prove religion is like trying to use the Bible to prove scientific theory. They are two different truths - human logic versus faith in divine logic. The only line I can draw is that the existence of a God can answer some of the questions our science can not.
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Ruspanic (06/26/2012) [-] If by "wrong" you mean morally wrong, it isn't.
If you mean factually incorrect, I cannot prove that to you definitively. I can only say that most religious dogma cannot be discovered by means of scientific experiment, historical investigation, simple observation, or logical deduction, so there is no rational reason to believe it to be true. But then, that's why religion requires faith.
If you mean factually incorrect, I cannot prove that to you definitively. I can only say that most religious dogma cannot be discovered by means of scientific experiment, historical investigation, simple observation, or logical deduction, so there is no rational reason to believe it to be true. But then, that's why religion requires faith.
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cancerousiguana (06/26/2012) [-] If by "wrong" you mean "incorrect" then I'm getting the fuck out of here because that debate is never a good one on the internet.
But as far as politics go, it's "wrong" for the government to make laws based on the beliefs of a religion. There are so many different religions, and even though one religion (usually Christianity or Islam) may hold a large majority in a country, the government has to protect the religious freedom of the minority, as long as they aren't dangerous, of course.
Here in the US, our founding fathers thought it was such an important freedom that they made that the first amendment in our constitution/bill of rights.
But as far as politics go, it's "wrong" for the government to make laws based on the beliefs of a religion. There are so many different religions, and even though one religion (usually Christianity or Islam) may hold a large majority in a country, the government has to protect the religious freedom of the minority, as long as they aren't dangerous, of course.
Here in the US, our founding fathers thought it was such an important freedom that they made that the first amendment in our constitution/bill of rights.
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N. Korean citizen (06/26/2012) [-]
I do not believe that there is anything wrong with religion/faith; I believe it helps put structure into the lives of those that have it, and I believe, if done right, it builds good morals. [I do not have faith in any god(s) because the church I was raised with was hypocritical, greedy, racist, hated poor people, and generally went by the Bible only when it suited them, and that was my driving force to atheism (or bastard Satan child, as I was called)]
I do believe that there is something wrong with churches/religious institutions getting tax breaks, religion interfering with government (Voting against something in a government-environment because your god(s) say it is wrong is the worst reason I've ever heard for doing something in a non-theocracy nation), religion interfering with education [learning about religions is okay if it relevant to the class (World History, etc . . .); telling a child they're going to hell for not believing in the same god(s) as the rest of the class is wrong], and trying to convert people to a certain religion; Going into another nation, telling all the people there that their god(s) are wrong, and trying to put your god(s) on them is wrong, and you deserve all the bloodshed that occurs because of it [Remember, how would YOU react to someone coming into your country and trying to convert you to their religion while telling you that you're a heathen with a fake god(s)].
I do believe that there is something wrong with churches/religious institutions getting tax breaks, religion interfering with government (Voting against something in a government-environment because your god(s) say it is wrong is the worst reason I've ever heard for doing something in a non-theocracy nation), religion interfering with education [learning about religions is okay if it relevant to the class (World History, etc . . .); telling a child they're going to hell for not believing in the same god(s) as the rest of the class is wrong], and trying to convert people to a certain religion; Going into another nation, telling all the people there that their god(s) are wrong, and trying to put your god(s) on them is wrong, and you deserve all the bloodshed that occurs because of it [Remember, how would YOU react to someone coming into your country and trying to convert you to their religion while telling you that you're a heathen with a fake god(s)].
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bechante **User deleted account** (06/26/2012) [-] In general, although there are plenty of exceptions, faiths typically require their followers to hold something as true despite there not being evidence for it -- belief in God despite lack of evidence for God. This is not an insult on faith, this is the very definition of "faith".
That said, I have no real problem with people who can have faith in the existence of God, although it's certainly not anything I'd ever believe. That alone does not interfere with me at all, and so it isn't something I try to stridently defeat. HOWEVER: faiths these days seem to be trying to tie themselves into politics. When a religious body can submit a platform to its followers, and they will all sheepishly vote accordingly without question, I draw the line. As soon as this starts to happen, religion begins to bleed into government, circumventing the Establishment Clause (separation of Church and State) of the Constitution, and the rights of anybody belonging to a disagreeing but minority faction will be stamped out.
Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun, a religious man himself, once said:
“When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs. A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some.”
That said, I have no real problem with people who can have faith in the existence of God, although it's certainly not anything I'd ever believe. That alone does not interfere with me at all, and so it isn't something I try to stridently defeat. HOWEVER: faiths these days seem to be trying to tie themselves into politics. When a religious body can submit a platform to its followers, and they will all sheepishly vote accordingly without question, I draw the line. As soon as this starts to happen, religion begins to bleed into government, circumventing the Establishment Clause (separation of Church and State) of the Constitution, and the rights of anybody belonging to a disagreeing but minority faction will be stamped out.
Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun, a religious man himself, once said:
“When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs. A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some.”
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airguitar (06/26/2012) [-] Only atheists who are assholes (and by asshole I mean they try to "convert" you to atheism) have a problem with religion. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with religion at all. I am an agnostic because although I am very skeptical of there being a god, I realize there is no absolute scientific way to disprove there is a god, so I just don't argue with anyone. Even if there was a god, I would not praise him/her.
What I DO consider to be a big problem with religion, that many atheists share, is when people involve religion with their politics. I think there is and should be a very definitive separation of church and state. One big reason for this is just because a politician is protestant, for example, it does not mean all or even a majority of his/her constituents are protestant also.
With that said, I also hate the fucking people who stand on my university's campus handing out bibles. If they ever try to give me one I just say, "Sorry, I don't read fiction".
What I DO consider to be a big problem with religion, that many atheists share, is when people involve religion with their politics. I think there is and should be a very definitive separation of church and state. One big reason for this is just because a politician is protestant, for example, it does not mean all or even a majority of his/her constituents are protestant also.
With that said, I also hate the fucking people who stand on my university's campus handing out bibles. If they ever try to give me one I just say, "Sorry, I don't read fiction".
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ginginhunter (06/26/2012) [-] so you say , religion and politics must'nt be combined , because it would cause mass political chaos worldwide?
(im not trying to change anything you said im just telling the big picture as i see it , if i was wrong plese correct me )
(im not trying to change anything you said im just telling the big picture as i see it , if i was wrong plese correct me )
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airguitar (06/26/2012) [-] Not chaos necessarily. I'm saying in the United States there is supposed to be a separation of church and state. Our country was meant to be built on this, the 1st amendment of the constitution states that there is a freedom of religion in this country but however, religion is not supposed to be involved with government. This may be debated but Thomas Jefferson emphasized this point. So in America, and other countries that have similar clauses in their respective constitutions, there should not be any law, supreme court ruling, or subsidies given to a specific religion that is not given to everyone else.
Now if you are talking about countries where religion IS part of the Constitution the it is much different. For example, Iran. Although I do not support the theocratic rule in Iran and think the population as a whole was much happier before the Iranian revolution, there is absolutely no way to separate church and state there. This is the case for other countries as well. Although I don't support religious rule, I don't think I can speak for those countries.
Now if you are talking about countries where religion IS part of the Constitution the it is much different. For example, Iran. Although I do not support the theocratic rule in Iran and think the population as a whole was much happier before the Iranian revolution, there is absolutely no way to separate church and state there. This is the case for other countries as well. Although I don't support religious rule, I don't think I can speak for those countries.
