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User avatar #29996 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (11 minutes ago) [-]
Death penalty. Good or bad?
#29988 - feelythefeel (3 hours ago) [-]
A while back I found out that my province has a communist party. How common are communist parties? Do any of them even win anything any more?
A while back I found out that my province has a communist party. How common are communist parties? Do any of them even win anything any more?
User avatar #29997 to #29988 - emericano ONLINE (1 minute ago) [-]
mexico has a communist party
User avatar #29995 to #29988 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (24 minutes ago) [-]
I'm more interested in knowing how many communist parties actually care about communism.
User avatar #29994 to #29988 - teoberry ONLINE (54 minutes ago) [-]
Most (Canadian) provinces have one. Which one you from?
#29991 to #29988 - N. Korean citizen (1 hour ago) [-]
they won in 2008 and 2012
User avatar #29993 to #29991 - feelythefeel (1 hour ago) [-]
What country?
User avatar #29990 to #29988 - mykoira (2 hours ago) [-]
in Finland we had two in last our last parliamentary elections and they got over 10,000 votes (out of 2,000,000)
#29989 to #29988 - valeriya (3 hours ago) [-]
Depends where I'm from (Russia) the communist party is the second largest party both in local and national governments against a ruling party that has the dead voting for them. I'm pretty certain alot of places have communist parties, if or not they're public or on the ballots is a different question.
#29903 - oxan (15 hours ago) [-]
This is more for those of us who have more 'extreme' views.

How open are you with your political beliefs? Particularly fascists.

Pic somewhat related.
#29909 to #29903 - amongoeth ONLINE (14 hours ago) [-]
I march around in a full SS uniform brandishing a banner with the words "JUDEN RAUS"
and with the other members we destroy property of Jewish shop owners and synagogues. we gather up books that are against our views. if we come across any other ethnics we just beat them.
#29979 to #29909 - valeriya (4 hours ago) [-]
Curious, where are from/living?
User avatar #29980 to #29979 - amongoeth ONLINE (4 hours ago) [-]
Germany
#29981 to #29980 - valeriya (4 hours ago) [-]
Yeah... I thought there was an essential ban on being remotely nationalistic in Germany.
#29982 to #29981 - amongoeth ONLINE (4 hours ago) [-]
we've only just started that......

this is 1934 right?
#29986 to #29982 - valeriya (4 hours ago) [-]
I now understand it, spoiler alert the jingoism goes wrong, the soviets get x amount of second winds the jews live zionists take a win and communism takes eastern germany and the rest of eastern europe also konigsberg becomes kaliningrad.
#29992 to #29986 - amongoeth ONLINE (1 hour ago) [-]
whaaaaaaaaat?
whaaaaaaaaat?
#29983 to #29982 - valeriya (4 hours ago) [-]
I'm gonna back away now and come back when I have a modicum of knowledge regarding whatever that was you just said.
User avatar #29910 to #29909 - oxan (14 hours ago) [-]
I was hoping you'd post, amongoeth. For some reason, I can imagine you marching around in an SS uniform. But, in all seriousness, how open are you about your fascism?
#29959 to #29910 - N. Korean citizen (9 hours ago) [-]
i have an actual picture of him in his nazi uniform.
User avatar #29961 to #29959 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
and anyway, it isn't even a uniform it's just a coat with a belt and cap.
#29960 to #29959 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
princesslilian
princesslilian

#29962 to #29960 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
well that was fast.
#29963 to #29962 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
I saw you wrote my name here thinking the anon was me and I know you're the only one who knows my name and to be honest I'm not really bothered.

User avatar #29964 to #29963 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
i have your IP on hide all.
#29965 to #29964 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
that still wasn't me yesterday. I had a friend round so it must have been him.
that still wasn't me yesterday. I had a friend round so it must have been him.
#29966 to #29965 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
ok.

i showed you this website before didn't i?

http://www.atthefrontshop.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=45
#29967 to #29966 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
no you have not.

that stuff is way more expensive than www.ww2sale.com/?gclid=CI2bq4-zp7cCFdHMtAodGjMADA
#29968 to #29967 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
it's nicer. they're centered around making them close to original.
for reenactors and such.

i've always wanted one of these
https://www.atthefrontshop.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=guj44dt
german camouflage excites me.

idk how well it would fit me though.
#29969 to #29968 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
even so it's very expensive when I add the shipping cost.

when I have enough money I'm going to buy this.
User avatar #29970 to #29969 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
really
i would expect you to get it in black
do you have a hat to match?
User avatar #29971 to #29970 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
I could get one.
#29972 to #29971 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
don't forget the pants.
User avatar #29973 to #29972 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
they come with it.
User avatar #29974 to #29973 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
and the boots
User avatar #29975 to #29974 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
I have riding boots, they will do.
#29976 to #29975 - princesslilian (8 hours ago) [-]
i want fallschrimjager boots.

i would wear these everywhere.
#29977 to #29976 - amongoeth ONLINE (8 hours ago) [-]
Jackboots with steel soles would be good but once again... too expensive.
#29931 to #29910 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
Hitlers fault, two front war   
   
Mostly the same with German uniforms, the uniforms did change but only a little. when Hitler came to power is when the uniforms got changed a bit.
Hitlers fault, two front war

Mostly the same with German uniforms, the uniforms did change but only a little. when Hitler came to power is when the uniforms got changed a bit.
User avatar #29932 to #29931 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
It would be interesting to see Nazi Germany and the USSR go head to head. Had the Red Army remained organised during the initial stages of the invasion, I have a feeling the Red Banner would still have hung over the Reichstag.

Indeed, it was just the little things. The collar insignia, the little red 'sash' in between the breast pockets. Hell, even the breast pockets.
#29933 to #29932 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
I reckon america would have something to say about that,

I hope to buy this one day.
User avatar #29934 to #29933 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
America could say all they want.

Any particular reason you chose an SS Lt.Col uniform?
#29935 to #29934 - amongoeth ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
Closest one I could find to Amon's rank.
#29936 to #29935 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
Don't they sell the collar insignia separately?
Don't they sell the collar insignia separately?
#29937 to #29936 - amongoeth ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
they do but I don't know that if I order it with as it is whether will be sown on for me, if not I would get the right ranked tab and then sow it on but I can't sow for peanuts so yeah.
they do but I don't know that if I order it with as it is whether will be sown on for me, if not I would get the right ranked tab and then sow it on but I can't sow for peanuts so yeah.
#29939 to #29937 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
Take it to a Jewish tailor.

I shouldn't be encouraging you.
#29940 to #29939 - amongoeth ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
maybe...

even for a regular tailor it would be awkward as hell, "hi, can you sew on the SS insignia?"
User avatar #29954 to #29940 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
Say it's for carnaval or halloween.
#29943 to #29940 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
>I'm a collector
#29944 to #29943 - amongoeth ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
even so....
#29946 to #29944 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
If they refuse accuse them of being Bolsheviks, yell that 'Mein Kampf is sewing', and then march out saluting.
#29957 to #29946 - amongoeth ONLINE (10 hours ago) [-]
ok.
ok.
#29947 to #29946 - valeriya (12 hours ago) [-]
Or you could just do it yourself...
User avatar #29949 to #29947 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
He's bad at sewing.
#29950 to #29949 - valeriya (12 hours ago) [-]
There's always time to learn...
User avatar #29951 to #29950 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
I'd take it to a tailor, myself. I hate sewing.
#29952 to #29951 - valeriya (12 hours ago) [-]
Just say it's for a reenactment /acting group if they ask questions.
User avatar #29953 to #29952 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
I don't think Red Army uniforms are as recognisable as Nazi ones. I'd be fine.
#29911 to #29910 - amongoeth ONLINE (14 hours ago) [-]
Not at all, nobody knows that I am.
User avatar #29912 to #29911 - oxan (14 hours ago) [-]
Any particular reason? What's your family's take on fascism?

I'm learning!
#29913 to #29912 - amongoeth ONLINE (14 hours ago) [-]
well my parents only know that I like reading and learning about the Nazis but my dad doesn't seem to like it when I talk about certain things as he just doesn't like war.

they don't seem to have any particular take on it.

pic related, it's my SS cap
#29914 to #29913 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
Nice cap. Politics aside, the Nazis had some fantastic uniforms. I've got an old Soviet medal, but that's the closest thing I have to anything communist (pic related).

I think I might get a photo frame and put a photo of Marx or Lenin in there and hang it up, just to one-up your cap.
#29915 to #29914 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
I had a picture of Hitler in my lounge for 5 months before anyone noticed.
User avatar #29916 to #29915 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
I wonder what people would think if they noticed a portrait of Marx hanging up. I by no means hide my beliefs, but it'd still be interesting.

Or perhaps hanging up conflicting figures (Lenin with Hitler, Stalin with Goebbels, etc).
User avatar #29919 to #29916 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
mostly think communist but some idiots think that the hammer and sickle are "Hitler symbol" I have a couple small badges (I got these while I just generally interested in WW2) and I was showing my friends and then some else said I was a Nazi for having them. soo.... I don't know may or may not be a good idea.

Hitler on one side, Lenin on the other.
User avatar #29920 to #29919 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
Had I been able to access my account at the time, I was planning on buying an Iron Cross I found in the Grand Bazaar. Barely scraped enough money to get the Order of the Great Patriotic War medal. The Bazaar's been the only place I've seen Soviet or Nazi medals. Nothing like it in my town.
#29921 to #29920 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
There's an army surplus stall in the market that's in town every weekend. They don't have much stuff older than the 70s or 60s but I did get these.
#29922 to #29921 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
What uniform are they from?

Pic unrelated, but I feel like we're bonding.
#29923 to #29922 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
Field Marshal
#29924 to #29923 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
Ah, right.

While we're looking at the FM's uniform, I must note I've also loved the Iron Cross worn around the neck. Looks fantastic as part of the uniform.
#29925 to #29924 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
I've always wanted one but need to get some more money together first.
www.ww2sale.com/?gclid=CJvp-fryprcCFUXJtAodXykA-Q
this is a good place.
User avatar #29926 to #29925 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
Heh, I remember a while back when I was very nearly a fascist. Was actually close to buying some Nazi gear, simply for aesthetics.

I'd still like to get myself a Kar98k. I should really check if that's legal in Australia.
#29927 to #29926 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
only problem with this stuff is that it's so expensive.
#29928 to #29927 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
See, because Mosin-Nagants were produced in huge numbers, they're only about $100. Slight advantage there.

The uniform of the Red Army was quite an interesting one - the cloak type thing, in particular. Really, I prefer the later uniforms.
#29929 to #29928 - amongoeth ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
doesn't mean they're good.

soviet uniforms are ok....
#29930 to #29929 - oxan (13 hours ago) [-]
Doesn't mean the Mosin is bad, either. Certainly did a good enough job to mop up the Wehrmacht (no offence intended).   
   
Depends what era we're speaking of. Even during WW1, Russia had pretty boring uniforms. What the Red Army wore during the Great Patriotic War, a bit better. But I'm looking at my second monitor's wallpaper (Victory Day parade) right now, and I definitely have no complaints.
Doesn't mean the Mosin is bad, either. Certainly did a good enough job to mop up the Wehrmacht (no offence intended).

Depends what era we're speaking of. Even during WW1, Russia had pretty boring uniforms. What the Red Army wore during the Great Patriotic War, a bit better. But I'm looking at my second monitor's wallpaper (Victory Day parade) right now, and I definitely have no complaints.
#29895 - feelythefeel (17 hours ago) [-]
Ask the lingering spirit of Stalin given corporeal form anything, comrades.
Ask the lingering spirit of Stalin given corporeal form anything, comrades.
#29900 to #29895 - medewu (16 hours ago) [-]
Comrade... Stalin...

I have no pride for you who ruined everything
My revolution was doing to stop the bourgeoisie!
I fought the bondage of classes, the proletariat masses!
And Joseph you were supposed to be my right hand man,
But your loyalty shriveled up like your right hand, man!
Our whole future was bright, you let your heart grow dark,
And stopped the greatest revolution!
User avatar #29901 to #29900 - oxan (16 hours ago) [-]
SINCE THE BIRTH OF MARX.

Did somebody say, birthmarks?
Yo, I'm the host with the most glasnost.
Arseholes made a mess and the war got cold.
Shook hands with both Ronalds, Reagan and McDonalds, no doubt
If your name ends with 'in', time to get out.
User avatar #29958 to #29901 - CapnInterwebz ONLINE (9 hours ago) [-]
I had the balls to let Baryshnikov dance player
Took down that Wall like the Kool-Aid Man (oh yeah!)
You two need yoga
You need a shower
And you ALL need to learn how to handle real power
#29905 to #29901 - valeriya (14 hours ago) [-]
What...
#29907 to #29906 - valeriya (14 hours ago) [-]
It all makes sense now, have a video of putin singing in english

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4IjHz2yIo
User avatar #29918 to #29907 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (13 hours ago) [-]
This is kind of weird.
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#29908 to #29907 - oxan (14 hours ago) [-]
Nice.
Nice.
User avatar #29896 to #29895 - oxan (16 hours ago) [-]
What's Comrade Stalin's favourite meal?
User avatar #29985 to #29896 - feelythefeel (4 hours ago) [-]
The tears of the proletariat, of course.
User avatar #29938 to #29896 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
I think he was into collectivized gastronomy.
User avatar #29945 to #29942 - oxan (12 hours ago) [-]
I love that video.

Also, top comment:

'My PC was break when I was watching this video from 0:19 . ((( fuck .'
User avatar #29948 to #29945 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (12 hours ago) [-]
I don't even know if he/she said it in a grammatically incorrect way satirically or not.
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#29890 - N. Korean citizen (18 hours ago) [-]
These tornadoes are part of a conspiracy by the Obama ad.ministration to distract us from the IRS and Benghazi scandals.
#29888 - thechurchchurch (18 hours ago) [-]
"As long as we save 1 childs life,even if we have to do without some personal liberty,its worth banning guns."

"Abortion is a fundamental right of all women,regardless of whether some consider the fetus a life or not."
#29956 to #29888 - N. Korean citizen (11 hours ago) [-]
>literally every person with liberally leaning opinion believes both of these things exactly
#29902 to #29888 - N. Korean citizen (15 hours ago) [-]


Republicans: life in the womb I'd precious.... until it's born, then it can go fuck itself.
#29904 to #29902 - thechurchchurch (15 hours ago) [-]
yet another myth libs love to propogate,republicans give way more to charity than democrats.

democrats are only charitable with other peoples money.
User avatar #29955 to #29904 - oxan (11 hours ago) [-]
I'm interested in what source you have for that.

Bonus points if it specifies what charities (or what type of charity) they donate to.
#29987 to #29955 - thechurchchurch (4 hours ago) [-]
urvey by the Chronicle of Philanthropy confirms that residents of states that lean Republican and are most religious donate more of their money to charity, while more secular regions — and areas that tend to vote Democrat — give less.

Read more: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/20/religion-politics-affect-americans-philanthropy/#ixzz2TxFYhJrN
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

they tend to give more to religious based charities,but the money still goes to help the poor so it doesnt really matter.Did i win?
User avatar #29897 to #29882 - oxan (16 hours ago) [-]
Why am I reading tornadoes as tomatoes?
User avatar #29885 to #29882 - Shiny (18 hours ago) [-]
You say it like the ability to fully control the weather wouldn't be fantastic.
User avatar #29891 to #29885 - medewu (18 hours ago) [-]
I would have to much fucking fun... if I controlled the weather...
#29884 to #29882 - repostsrepost (18 hours ago) [-]
You need to address the problem at its source. Think bigger. Ban bigger. We need to ban weather. Are all those kids dying from thunderstrikes less important?
User avatar #29876 - sierraoneoneseven (21 hours ago) [-]
Anyone else thing the obama DJ 4DM1N is in some deep doodoo with all the slew of scandals and horrible decisions?
#29883 to #29876 - N. Korean citizen (20 hours ago) [-]
No, because his followers will just eat up everything he and his a​dm​instration says and blame it on the Republicans as usual.
User avatar #29875 - eight (21 hours ago) [-]
Thoughts on Adam Kokesh?
User avatar #29978 to #29875 - rageisfunny (6 hours ago) [-]
Just another sign that our rights are being shat upon by the federal government. (If what I read on the matter was truthful).
#29874 - N. Korean citizen (21 hours ago) [-]
Ask a North Korean Citizen anything.
User avatar #29893 to #29874 - feelythefeel (17 hours ago) [-]
What is love?
User avatar #29878 to #29874 - CapnInterwebz ONLINE (21 hours ago) [-]
Who did you have to kill to get your internet connection?
#29880 to #29878 - N. Korean citizen (20 hours ago) [-]
I believe it is the one you American pigs call Nicki Minaj. Your Supreme Leader rewarded my efforts with internets.
User avatar #29881 to #29880 - CapnInterwebz ONLINE (20 hours ago) [-]
You'd be rewarded for that over here too
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#29871 - N. Korean citizen (22 hours ago) [-]
˙uɐılɐɹʇsn∀ ɹǝdoɹd ɐ ǝʞıl ʞɐǝds plnoɥs uɐxO
User avatar #29898 to #29871 - oxan (16 hours ago) [-]
True, mate?
User avatar #29872 to #29871 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (22 hours ago) [-]
You forgot to say "mate".
#29869 - N. Korean citizen (22 hours ago) [-]
I without was out is funny honey. "Then he to and" said I. Once in the climbed and sang a buzz! "Buzz! I am," said the that door making an eat the Poo.
User avatar #29873 to #29869 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (22 hours ago) [-]
I cry evertim.
User avatar #29832 - nigalthornberry (05/20/2013) [-]
Obama only really has a 25% chance of getting impeached
#29811 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
What is the true job of a government? To protect and ensure the growth of it's native people, or to protect or ensure the growth of the nation itself?

If <insert fictional nation here> deports homeless/jobless/unskilled native people and brings in quality personnel from another country in and grants them citizenship, is it acceptable to you?

Yes, I know that they can't simply "deport" people to other countries, but for the sake of this question, let's just assume they can.
User avatar #29851 to #29811 - pebar ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
to maintain order without overstepping the authority it is given by society
User avatar #29843 to #29811 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
So long as it exist, it should be protecting its citizens from their common enemy (which includes hunger and the cold).
User avatar #29817 to #29811 - akamrhood (05/20/2013) [-]
To help protect, provide, pilot, and progress its people. I think it is both ensuring the growth and protection of its people and the strength and growth of the nation itself. If not both then the other cant prosper.

I don't think its acceptable to myself or the general populace of said nation. There are times where that would be awesome here in america. To "deport" the waste of the nation, the people that only take from the government and give nothing back to society but just more "in the way" people. It would a terrible thing to actually happen due to the lose of humanity in people and to just toss aside fellow citizens like that. But the benefits of getting those people out of said nation would be awesome!
#29808 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
NIGGER OF NIGGER OF NIGGER OF NIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!
#29761 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
Oxan

why do you think communism is the best type of government?
User avatar #29836 to #29761 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
>Because he's a communist.

More or less.
#29809 to #29761 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
Because he's a communist.
User avatar #29793 to #29761 - lobsternewburg (05/20/2013) [-]
No because filthy commies.
#29783 to #29761 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
james
#29795 to #29783 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
what
#29815 to #29795 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
i know your name.
no one else here knows.
but i know. and that freaks you out.
#29856 to #29815 - N. Korean citizen (23 hours ago) [-]
Umm...

I don't think you hare the right person.
User avatar #29816 to #29815 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Cool! Do my name now! Over here! My name! Do my name!
#29859 to #29816 - N. Korean citizen (23 hours ago) [-]
Rick
User avatar #29862 to #29859 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
Cold.
#29824 to #29816 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
no, i only know his.
#29819 to #29816 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
Bob.
User avatar #29820 to #29819 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
What the fuck? Seriously, how did you figure it out?
#29821 to #29820 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
It's the first name that comes to mind since I learned it existed, it's just so short.
#29822 to #29821 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Actually, you're wrong.
#29823 to #29822 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
OH NO, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT I HAVE BEEN COAXED INTO A SNAFU, WHATEVER WILL I DO WITH MY LIFE NOW!!?!?!??!
User avatar #29825 to #29823 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Mhh... it appears that my actions have affected your emotional state. I, however, can't say I'm bothered with such happening, for I indeed was the one who planned this all along.
User avatar #29762 to #29761 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
>communism
>form of government
#29764 to #29762 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
you know what I mean.
User avatar #29765 to #29764 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Okay then

Direct democracy is the political organization of communism. Supremacy of workers councils over parliament. Is that what you mean?

If so, it allows for more participation in decision making and empowers people to take control over their own lives. Life is not work, work is not life.
#29766 to #29765 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
yes.

but...

can it work?
#29775 to #29766 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
no.
communism fails because of human nature.
there will never be a true society were everyone shares wealth and everyone is happy.
this is why every communist government ends up as totalitarian.
people need to be forced to be equal.

capitalism works because it allows everything to work on it's own.
people work together by necessity. in order to be successful, you need to provide a service which is in demand.
people who are more successful gain more than others, and why is that such a bad thing?
User avatar #29837 to #29775 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
Human nature is not fixed, it changes. Governments lead by communists, just like those lead by capitalists, can become authoritarian when threatened.
User avatar #29767 to #29766 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Yes.

Despite being very discriminatory as to who could participate, Ancient Greece had a form of a direct democracy that was pretty decent.

You just have to realize that with direct democracy, there is a much stronger feeling of regionalism over, say, federalism. Decisions being made in A are not the best for B because A is not B. Direct democracy has worked in the past, and new technological advancements will make it simpler. All representative democracy does is take democracy further away from the people; direct democracy brings it closer. That's all.
User avatar #29769 to #29767 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Isn't Switzerland a better example?
User avatar #29772 to #29769 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
No. Ancient Greece. Athens, to be specific.

Referendum for every decision? Check. They got everyone into little stadiums and what not and took votes on many different issues. Whatever prevailed, prevailed. No 'true' central authority. Just voting.

It's just that to vote you needed to be male, 30+, etc. Switzerland is not quite like this at all.
User avatar #29773 to #29772 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Although I will admit Switzerland is pretty good. A step in the right direction.
User avatar #29899 to #29773 - oxan (16 hours ago) [-]
Indeed, the directorial system is somewhat appealing.
User avatar #29803 to #29773 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
I meant it mostly because of the right of citizenship being very restrictive, Switzerland seems pretty cool.
#29774 to #29773 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
Yugoslavia under tito would also be an ok example, how to benevolent dictator 101, also an example of why one mans death can destroy so much progress.
User avatar #29846 to #29774 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
>benevolent dictator 101

That made me smile for some reason.
User avatar #29786 to #29774 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Mhh... Revisionist scum, heh?
#29789 to #29786 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
No I just know my history, I personally am not a fan of Tito's political system it's good to look at for withering away the state.
User avatar #29792 to #29789 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Ah damn it. Maybe some day you'll see the path of our noble peaceful ways.
#29796 to #29792 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
I don't believe peace can exist in a world so divided, I'll take an example close to me, In Georgia you have several regions currently trying to break away, the Georgians don't want it to happen and have tried to go by jingo mode against these breakaway regions, so long as people believe in the ideals of nations and seperating themselves you can't get anywhere, (I know it sounds a bit weird considering I believe in socialism in one country working when the whole world is pretty much capitalist and at your throat the capitalists stand to lose so much)
User avatar #29800 to #29796 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
How about a middle-term? Russia could become an actual federation like it's supposed to be and stop forcing their own "culture" on regions that have always had different cultures as long as everybody follows the law.

Or maybe I'm full of shit and I don't know what I'm talking about because I just have assumptions on how things are in Russia.
#29804 to #29800 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
The idea in the union was basically to erase all cultures and replace them with one soviet culture, best example I can think of off the top of my head was the new soviet man, modern day it's more about decentralizing some more political power to oblasts/states if they start playing up then it goes to war, if war doesn't work you'll probably be left alone but you'll be alone in the world, if you start acting up again you'll be crushed and have a pro-moscow government installed. I've pretty much just described Chechnya.
User avatar #29777 to #29774 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
That has nothing to do with direct democracy. Tito had a personality cult and was still a dictator. Fuck him.

Communism =/= dictatorship. Authoritarian socialism or socialism in one country is state capitalism and is devolutionary.
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User avatar #29839 to #29830 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
Even if the surplus is going back to the workers, they're still living on wages. They're still alienated from they're work.
User avatar #29860 to #29839 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
Damn reply limit again.

"Society's norms and mores, peer pressure, all that. Plus, human nature changes."

Yeah, I guess. I thought of that too after making my comment. Still, I think I'll stick with socialism, although if communism comes out of it, I guess it's alright.

This sounds like something you said already some time ago.
User avatar #29864 to #29860 - oxan (23 hours ago) [-]
Heh, I remember thinking that. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with remaining a socialist. Communism arises from socialism ^.^
User avatar #29867 to #29864 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
I just hope I don't become one with the buttimperialized as most of us reformist socialists seem to.
User avatar #29863 to #29860 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
Also, I assume you meant morals.
User avatar #29877 to #29863 - oxan (21 hours ago) [-]
No, no. Mores. They're just a stronger form of society's norms. Haha.
User avatar #29842 to #29839 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
You mean that, as in they're still dependant on their work?
User avatar #29844 to #29842 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
More or less. Work is still 'work'. When you're working for wages, it's simply to acquire the means of life. Even if the MoP are 'common property', rather than private, alienation remains. That's why market 'socialism' is quite silly.

Marx explains it best:

“Let us review the various factors as seen in our supposition: My work would be a free manifestation of life, hence an enjoyment of life. Presupposing private property, my work is an alienation of life, for I work in order to live, in order to obtain for myself the means of life. My work is not my life.”
User avatar #29847 to #29844 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Is that the part when no currency comes in, then? Wouldn't that reduce productivity aswell?
User avatar #29848 to #29847 - oxan (23 hours ago) [-]
Production under communism would likely become more automated. As arisaka said, under capitalism, automation hurts us; under communism (or socialism), it's our best friend.

When production is mostly automated, a decrease in productivity is unlikely. And now, with humans free to work free of alienation, for their own satisfaction, we'll continually improve production.

But this is all hypothetical. We can't really describe what communism will look like, just like a writer in the 9th Century would never be able to accurately describe capitalism.
User avatar #29849 to #29848 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
So with no currency, everything would be free?
User avatar #29850 to #29849 - oxan (23 hours ago) [-]
Indeed. Hence, 'to each according to his needs'.
User avatar #29852 to #29850 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
It seems very... utopian, but I guess it could be stable without douches. The problem is, there are always douches, and that's why it seems utopian. How would they be stopped from taking too many things and work if they wouldn't want to? I'd be even easier for people to be douches under communism.
User avatar #29854 to #29852 - arisaka (23 hours ago) [-]
Nature did not create prices, slaves, or rulers. It created existence.
User avatar #29853 to #29852 - oxan (23 hours ago) [-]
Society's norms and mores, peer pressure, all that. Plus, human nature changes.
User avatar #29838 to #29830 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Reply limit.
"Abolish wages!":
I thought profit sharing took care of that.
User avatar #29855 to #29838 - arisaka (23 hours ago) [-]
It doesn't. Because it still requires you to slave away for a wage.
User avatar #29857 to #29855 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (23 hours ago) [-]
I sort of understand now. Basically, a person still has to work to be living alright and afford stuff. That's more or less it, right?
User avatar #29865 to #29857 - arisaka (23 hours ago) [-]
Their lives are still tied to industry! Also, keeping the wage system alive keeps alienation alive, and keeps capitalism alive!

This is the main reason Marx and Bakunin were feuding.
User avatar #29785 to #29777 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Yugoslavia under Tito had a self-managing society and achieved many personal freedoms, most people who really hate him are stalinist albanians, croatian fascists or people who think Yugoslavia is a russian city. About the personality cult, I think he was very critical of personality cults.
User avatar #29787 to #29785 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
He was probably the only guy who was able to do something out of M-L.
User avatar #29788 to #29787 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Being the lesser of two evils does not exempt you from being part of the evil.
User avatar #29790 to #29788 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
I hate one-party systems overall, but the guy was pretty awesome and it seems most former yugoslavs admire him a lot for what he's done.
User avatar #29791 to #29790 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
And I think he tried to help Checoslovakia become democratic on the something Spring. And he basically gave the middle finger to Stalin for being a social-fascist authoritarian cunt.
User avatar #29812 to #29791 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Again, that doesn't make him any less of a Marxist-Leninist, which leads nowhere. Still bureaucratic, authoritarian and state capitalist.
User avatar #29813 to #29812 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Doesn't state capitalist basically mean the state acting as the capitalist? If so, it wasn't exactly state capitalist, the workers mostly managed the factories and shared its profits, there was only a little state planning, maybe.
#29831 to #29813 - valeriya (05/20/2013) [-]
The general idea in theory at least is that the current state is controlled by the bourgeois, once the workers take control of the state that means it's not really "state capitalism" it's more "state acting on behalf of the workers to generate profit for the workers" again in theory...
User avatar #29826 to #29813 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Profit sharing does not destroy the wage-slave, my good friend.
User avatar #29827 to #29826 - commiejewnazi ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
What's necessary to do so, then?
User avatar #29829 to #29827 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Abolish wages!
#29755 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
something new.

let's talk about global warming "climate change" and why it's fabricated bullshit.
#29805 to #29755 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
Climate change isn't fabricated bullshit.

Man-made climate change is fabricated bullshit.
#29814 to #29805 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
clearly, that's what i mean.
the earth is perfectly capable of killing itself without our help.
#29745 - levchenko ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
ITT: What do you think the strongest country's are today?
#29866 to #29745 - repostsrepost (23 hours ago) [-]
US: End of the world hysteria aside, the world's superpower isn't going anywhere.
Britain: former hegemon turned US lapdog, but still plays an important role
Germany:Backbone of the Eurozone. Held back by the EU and post WW2 shit
Japan: Most advanced country in Asia. Time to scrap the McArthur Constitution.
Russia: shell of its former self but still trying to flex whatever muscles it still has.
China: A legitimate power but is vastly overestimated. Still a ways to go before it isn't a third world country anymore. China doesn't "own" the US and never will.
User avatar #29840 to #29745 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
Australia strong.

But it depends what you mean by 'strong'. Regardless, probably China, the US, Germany and, maybe, Russia.
#29858 to #29840 - N. Korean citizen (23 hours ago) [-]
Australia can become the world's strongest superpower. All they have to do is capture and breed the spiders there to use as weapons.
User avatar #29861 to #29858 - oxan (23 hours ago) [-]
At least I can sleep safe at night, knowing no one would ever invade a country where everything can kill you.
User avatar #29833 to #29745 - CapnInterwebz ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
USA, China, Russia, Germany, Japan
User avatar #29818 to #29745 - akamrhood (05/20/2013) [-]
1. America - overall just a powerful country
2. China - but is slowing down due to government
3. Russia - Used to be better but now it isnt as good
4. Germany - It is rising but is limited by policies and location
5. Brazil - economy, tech, government are all becoming stronger
#29778 to #29745 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
For sure not Russia
#29770 to #29745 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
Not Russia.
#29759 to #29745 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
norf career

king young un is best leader
#29752 to #29745 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
china and US.
russia's a shadow of it's former self.
User avatar #29748 to #29745 - maddboiy (05/20/2013) [-]
The EU, i class it as a country because the entire thing is practically controlled by Merkel.
Russia, mainly because of it's economy.
America, mainly because of it's military.
#29749 to #29748 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
what is china? a micronation?
User avatar #29756 to #29749 - maddboiy (05/20/2013) [-]
good point
#29744 - levchenko ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
#29760 to #29744 - amongoeth ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Nazis did it first.
#29801 to #29760 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
V2 is not a spaceship.
User avatar #29802 to #29801 - amongoeth ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
I know that, but they did get a vehicle into space first.
#29780 to #29760 - levchenko ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
They never made a space ship, just rockets
#29794 to #29780 - amongoeth ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
what do you think spaceships use to get to space?

Nazis were the first to get a vehicle into space.
#29750 to #29744 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
can'thearyoufromthemoon.jpg
User avatar #29841 to #29750 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
>yfw the US space program relied on Yugoslavia
#29758 to #29750 - levchenko ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Say thank you to Hitler and his men for getting you there!
#29776 to #29758 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
>implying the russians didn't use nazi scientists
#29779 to #29776 - levchenko ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
never implyed we didn't
#29797 to #29779 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
>WE
#29798 to #29797 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
Sign in and say that like a real man,

Btw what he said makes sense, "We" meaning the Russians witch he must be,
#29806 to #29798 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
he isn't and never was a soviet so he can't say "we"
it would imply he did something.
#29781 to #29779 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
soooooooo
what's your point?
#29784 to #29781 - levchenko ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
I not afraid to prove a point as an anon,

Because thumbs meen nothing to me...
#29782 to #29781 - N. Korean citizen (05/20/2013) [-]
you lost bro
User avatar #29747 to #29744 - maddboiy (05/20/2013) [-]
and America's spacecraft were originally designed by captured Nazi scientist's
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