"patriotism". ... it can get dangerous if left unchecked. Has there ever been any other nations in the whole world so obsessed with patriotism? Of course great  "patriotism" it can get dangerous if left unchecked Has there ever been any other nations in the whole world so obsessed with patriotism? Of course great
Login or register


"patriotism". ... it can get dangerous if left unchecked. Has there ever been any other nations in the whole world so obsessed with patriotism? Of course great

... it can get dangerous if left unchecked.

Has there ever been any other nations in the whole world so obsessed with patriotism?

Of course great nations like ancient Rome and Nazi Germany and post-modern USA have done great things and have contributed to science, technology and the arts, but at what price? Christianity of Rome led to the dark ages, Germany started WWII, and the US is single-handedly poisoning the entire planet with war and over-exaggerated, over-saturated media that humanity just doesn't need.

I'm going outside now. Peace and love.

Views: 13003 Submitted: 06/14/2014
Hide Comments
Leave a comment Refresh Comments (129)
Anonymous comments allowed.
User avatar #65 - xxjmacxx
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [+] (2 replies)
stickied by doktorwhat
The difference is we don't have a building at the end of the street
User avatar #110 to #65 - thesweetscientist
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Pretty much this. Oh, and your leader doesn't have a funny mustache.
User avatar #113 to #110 - xxjmacxx
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Excluding the Taft-man
#12 - oxYKellark
Reply +39 123456789123345869
(06/14/2014) [-]
**** guys i think Canada is up to something.
#85 to #12 - justleaving
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
them legs
#14 to #12 - doktorwhat [OP]
Reply +3 123456789123345869
(06/14/2014) [-]
**doktorwhat rolled image**
> 2017
> canadian army marches into Vermont
> begun, the Maple Syrup Wars have . webm
> 2022
> driving through South Canada
> get to toll booth
> toll booth worker apologises as he hands me a ticket
> 4 loonies
> thank god I have a few crazy people from the loony bin in my trunk
> apologise profusely
> throw back the rest of my maple syrup
mfw I don't even apologise for it
#15 to #14 - cleateater
Reply -3 123456789123345869
(06/14/2014) [-]
#32 - eezo
Reply +34 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
You broke my ********* detector

You're gonna have to replace it
User avatar #46 - randomwanker
Reply +18 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Nazis liked to breathe air, Americans like to breathe air. Air breathing could be dangerous if left unchecked ******* retarded
User avatar #49 - warioteam
Reply +15 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
its almost as if colored cloth on a pole is a common practice or something
User avatar #79 to #49 - godhatesmaggots
Reply +1 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
#16 - scruffyguy
Reply +10 123456789123345869
(06/14/2014) [-]
"Christianity of Rome led to the dark ages"
#28 to #16 - anon
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Wait, wait.
Are you saying Christianity DIDN'T cause the dark ages, called this for the lack of historical knowledge of the period because roman Christians burned many historical documents and made reading/writing forbidden to non-clergy?
User avatar #31 to #28 - enkmaster
Reply +2 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
1: There were no "Dark Ages" in Europe. It never happened. There was no specific time period in which scientific advancement was brought to a halt in Europe, despite popular culture stating otherwise. The main problem was lack of money, thus many of the achievements could not be written down or immortalized in painting and statues as was done in the Renaissance . There was a Vsauce video about it, I believe.
User avatar #51 to #28 - nuclearkitteh
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
The closest thing that could be called "The Dark Ages" was a time period after Rome collapsed. And Christianity barely had anything to do with that. Rome collapsing was due to Attila the Hun and the immigrants, forcing Rome to spend more money on housing and such until the economy couldn't support the empire and it collapsed.
#57 - dksidefortyone
Reply +9 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Oh ****!
#70 to #57 - garuda
Reply +1 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
#55 - numbmind
Reply +9 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
And that ends today's game of Spot the Big ******* Retard!! Join us again tomorrow, and it could be you!!
And that ends today's game of Spot the Big ******* Retard!! Join us again tomorrow, and it could be you!!
#72 - samxdaxman
Reply +6 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Hitler drank water. Americans drink water.   
Therefore, all Americans are Hitler.
Hitler drank water. Americans drink water.

Therefore, all Americans are Hitler.
#100 to #72 - doktorwhat [OP]
Reply -2 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
No, but if you look at the following statistics for post 9/11 US and post WWI / pre WWII Germany, you will see that both have abnormally high:
- flag sales
- we love our country / support our troops propaganda (stickers, flyers, films, songs)
- % of people who think their country is the best and are invincible
- % of people who stand behind their nation, even when their nation starts wars in other nations
User avatar #56 - ShadeElement
Reply +6 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
You are confusing Patriotism and Fanaticism.

Also, German citizens were motivated more out of fear than patriotism. Hitler was granted his power out of a "state of emergency" and the absolute power granted to him was only suppose to be temporary until Germany was "secure" again.

Nazi's were not German patriots. They were Nazis. German patriots who tried to keep the Nazis from taking control were exiled, jailed, or executed.

To make sure this happened, one of the very first things Hitler did was pass strict gun control laws, and remove firearms from German citizens.
By the time the Nazis were goosestepping down Main Street, there was nothing left to fight back.
#105 to #56 - doktorwhat [OP]
Reply -3 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Hitler was voted head of the Worker's party in 1919. IN 1920 he changed the party name to "national socialist". In 1933 He was voted Chancellor and he wasn't granted unconditional chancellor powers at all, rather, he basically took them, and that wasn't until 1935/6.

Get your facts straight: after WWI, the ENTIRE NATION was disarmed - even the military. Nobody was allowed to make or own guns. In 1920, some people tried to get it legal for Germany to at least purchase guns for their military, and in 1928 civilians were allowed to own and buy and sell guns (with the proper permits, of course - just like in the US). In 1938 (right before the **** hit the fan) the gun laws changed so that one only needed a permit for a handgun, and no longer had to prove "the need to own a gun", meaning ANYONE could own a rifle without question, and ANYONE could get a permit for a handgun. The age requirement also went from 20 down to 18. Oh yeah, but Jews couldn't own guns.

After WWII (1945) the same thing happened: Germany disarmed, nobody can own guns. Nowadays, only hunters and sport-shooters can own guns, but it's quite hard to get and there are many regulations.


PS - do you really think 300 million AK47s are a match against armoured tanks, drones, and highly-trained Navy Seals?
#127 to #105 - ShadeElement
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Its cute that you used Wikipedia as your sole source.
Guess all those years of college and post-grad history I took are no match.

Also, image is very relevant.
#128 to #127 - doktorwhat [OP]
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
it's not about guns and powerful governments - it's about rational people not getting too bent out of shape about these simple issues because they feel strongly one way or the other.

At least I mentioned sources : Wikipedia is peer-reviewed and itself has further sources. If you own a bunch of history books, feel free to cite your references, too. Wikipedia is just easier because the references within Wikipedia are usually directly linked to the works in question over a web interface, so we don't have to go to a library or purchase the books online.
User avatar #129 to #128 - ShadeElement
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
Thats difference of opinion over what constitutes a "simple issue".
WWII didn't happen over one big event. Hitler and the Nazi party didn't assume control over night.
It was a slow, gradual decline. Done in small baby steps. At the time it was inconceivable what all these "simple issues" could lead to.

Discussing the holocaust with students, I am often asked "Well why didn't the Jews just leave Germany?"

Well, those that noticed where things were heading, did. But they were often branded paranoid by their peers. By the time it became apparent that the Jews were (for lack of a better word) ******, the event horizon had been passed, without notice. It was too late.

By the time the rest of the world realized what Hitler was up to, it was too late. Like a chess game, the Nazis had made small, seemingly meaningless moves with the put their pieces in place. Those that had been raising the alarm across Europe had been called paranoid Warmongers. Winston Churchill was one of them.

In a sense, the OP is right. There are a lot of parallels you can draw form Nazi Germany and the modern Western world. Especially the U.S.
People are motivated by fear. They desire security above all else. They are willing to trade personal freedoms and put anyone into power that makes them feel good with easy answers.

All these people who seem to be making a "big deal" over "small issues"? Maybe they are just paranoid gun nuts. Or maybe they just read a history book or two. Enough to know where this slippery slope goes.

#130 to #129 - doktorwhat [OP]
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
great post!

I am OP, by the way, and this is exactly the kind of discussion I had hoped to get going on here. Instead of people freaking out about "you can't compare the US with Nazi Germany" or the other side "the US is a terrible war-hungry and sick nation", we need to look at history, analyse it, discuss with our peers, draw conclusions, discuss those conclusions, take precautions, and start all over again.

We can't take patriotism/nationalism for granted in either direction. Everything can be seen from more than one way.

Anyway, I gotta go to the bathroom, and then get back to watching the World Cup, but you take it easy and spread the word about history and how to "properly" observe and learn from it.

Peace and love.
User avatar #45 - randomwanker
Reply +5 123456789123345869
(06/15/2014) [-]
being proud of ones country, ******* criminal