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User avatar #20 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
This does bring up a valid point though. Why are atheists so depressed? It seems that everyone I have met has a generally sad demeanor.
User avatar #388 to #20 - rifee (12/20/2013) [-]
Why would you post this when you know it's not even true?

Shame on you
#379 to #20 - airforceman (12/20/2013) [-]
I disagree with this point. I'm an atheist but I would say I have a positive outlook on life.
#331 to #20 - swagbot (12/20/2013) [-]

Because they are not offloading their worries about this world's multitude of real, dire problems to an comforting, imaginary Paternal figure?
User avatar #234 to #20 - jukuku (12/19/2013) [-]
In the united states, there were a few politicians who wanted to intervene in Syria to fulfill a perceived biblical prophecy so the world would end.

Watching people like that on a daily basis is pretty ******* depressing. It's cult behavior.
User avatar #222 to #20 - jukuku (12/19/2013) [-]
I feel as though a video can more accurately explain this...

Ultimate Proof For Creationism DR Lisle

User avatar #172 to #20 - hudis (12/19/2013) [-]
Wall of text incoming so brace yourself:

I think that what you're talking about may be more common in the U.S. than in, say, Europe. Of all the minorities in the U.S., atheists are the most hated and mistrusted. Even I, as a Swede, have known several Americans who simply had no friends or stable social circles where they lived because they were atheists and no one wished to socialise with them - or were told not to by their parents. These weren't people in 'rural America', but rather in cities and suburbs. To provide some factual evidence, here is a quote from (abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1786422&page=1#.T6nGEutYtKI):

"More than 2,000 randomly selected people were interviewed by researchers from the University of Minnesota.

Asked whether they would disapprove of a child's wish to marry an atheist, 47.6 percent of those interviewed said yes. Asked the same question about Muslims and African-Americans, the yes responses fell to 33.5 percent and 27.2 percent, respectively. The yes responses for Asian-Americans, Hispanics, Jews and conservative Christians were 18.5 percent, 18.5 percent, 11.8 percent and 6.9 percent, respectively.

When asked which groups did not share their vision of American society, 39.5 percent of those interviewed mentioned atheists. Asked the same question about Muslims and homosexuals, the figures dropped to a slightly less depressing 26.3 percent and 22.6 percent, respectively. For Hispanics, Jews, Asian-Americans and African-Americans, they fell further to 7.6 percent, 7.4 percent, 7.0 percent and 4.6 percent, respectively."

American society is incredibly influenced by religious themes as well. The dollar bill says "In God we trust". The pledge of allegiance says "one nation under God". Public figures of many different organizations, political parties and movements are frequently heard saying "God bless America" - not to mention that you see similar words pretty much everywhere you go.

cont.
User avatar #176 to #172 - hudis (12/19/2013) [-]
I've been to the U.S., New York City specifically, and it was true even there. You cannot escape it, because lurking around every corner is another reference to God, another reminder for some people of just how religious most Americans are. It may seem like a strange issue to you, but that is not exactly a society in which an atheist is likely to feel happy all the time. Obviously I am not saying to remove all references to God, demolish all churches or to begin mass-converting every christian in sight - it's just that some tolerance would go a long way in this regard. I mean, I don't know if this has changed since last I checked, but in some American cities atheists cannot even run for public office.

Like I said, all this combined plus a dozen other issues with the whole thing and it wouldn't surprise me at all if American atheists weren't even half as happy as European atheists.
User avatar #244 to #176 - sanguinesolitude ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
an atheist legally could run for office, but could never get elected if he was open with his lack of faith.
User avatar #157 to #20 - cptsweatpants (12/19/2013) [-]
Because we bust our ass every single day on things we don't want to do in the slightest in order to make people around us happy while we know it won't even matter in the end. You guys do it with the vision of eternal life. I do it with the vision of eternal void.
User avatar #139 to #20 - mrgreatnamess (12/19/2013) [-]
I think it's either because they've talked to you or simply because they've seen you.

I dunno, I assume you're stupid and ugly.
User avatar #140 to #139 - mrgreatnamess (12/19/2013) [-]
To the point where it will make people sad.
User avatar #83 to #20 - nimblewalrus (12/19/2013) [-]
Maybe its you.
#73 to #20 - Absolute Madman (12/19/2013) [-]
I would put forth the theory that you have been meeting people who are in the 4th stage of grief.

This comes from living in a world built by geniuses that's run by sociopaths and morons. Atheism is merely a byproduct of their intelligence level and is unrelated to the fact they see the hypocrisy in their everyday life while knowing there isn't a damn thing they can do about.

They will eventually reach the acceptance stage and live happily within the world.
User avatar #72 to #20 - christmouth (12/19/2013) [-]
The atheists you've met have sad a demeanor, therefor every atheists has one. It's only coincidental. The Scandinavians are mostly non-religious, and they always are at the top in the charts of countries happiness.
#56 to #20 - fishinyourface ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
this isn't a valid point at all. I'm catholic and I'm having some pretty depressing times. Anyone, regardless of religion, can be depressed or grouchy or whatever.
this isn't a valid point at all. I'm catholic and I'm having some pretty depressing times. Anyone, regardless of religion, can be depressed or grouchy or whatever.
#58 to #56 - WhitePimp (12/19/2013) [-]
here you go
here you go
User avatar #67 to #58 - fishinyourface ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
thank you good sir
#45 to #20 - legendofbearo ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
If your going to be that way think of it this way:
Atheist don't believe that people know what will happen when they die, they dont know if there is some happy place or even meaning after death, and probably not.

Believers of the God: They go to heaven super happy land for eternity where everything is perfect and no sadness or worries.

If I could convince myself that something like that was actually real, Im sure I would feel great for most of my life. But Atheist think for themselves, and they find it insulting when **** like this exist. I don't go around telling people to watch out for Christians or Catholics or tell somebody they need an adult.
User avatar #44 to #20 - Mastaforga (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm athiest, and I am one of the happiest people I know, just gotta preoccupy yourself with fun things to do
User avatar #158 to #44 - hudis (12/19/2013) [-]
What happens when you don't preoccupy yourself?
User avatar #43 to #20 - europe (12/19/2013) [-]
**** you I'm not depressed
#418 to #27 - europe (12/20/2013) [-]
I'm not exactly religious myself but I know plenty of atheists who are complete morons
User avatar #413 to #27 - failtolawl ONLINE (12/20/2013) [-]
oh, so having a belief makes you stupid. Cool.
User avatar #328 to #27 - leadstriker (12/20/2013) [-]
yes yes you retarded faggot being sad equates to intelligence
#406 to #328 - WatIsATroll (12/20/2013) [-]
Can you explain why it doesn't? The more intelligence you have leads to awareness about your surroundings which leads to being unhappy because you're no longer living in a bubble.
#316 to #27 - Absolute Madman (12/20/2013) [-]
that's silly, your being silly.
User avatar #214 to #27 - douthit (12/19/2013) [-]
atheism ≠ intelligence
User avatar #249 to #214 - sanguinesolitude ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
statistically they do seem to go together though
User avatar #164 to #27 - fyaq (12/19/2013) [-]
the fedora-jerk here is astounding
User avatar #126 to #27 - djequalizee (12/19/2013) [-]
To be honest, that's not always true. Yeah, the smarter you get the more you realize how things are corrupted and how **** the world can be. But you can also learn about things that make you happy. Like music. For example, i love learning about space and the universe and **** , and when i learn cool stuff about it it makes me happy except for that part that i can't go there. . Intelligence only really interferes with happiness if you let it, or you learn about things that will make you unhappy.
User avatar #105 to #27 - popkornking (12/19/2013) [-]
OHHHHHHHH MY GAAAAAAAAD IM SO DUPrESSED it mUST BE BECAUSE MY SUPRIOR INTELLIGENTS
#324 to #105 - firesky (12/20/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call it intelligence. I would call it awareness. If you think about your problems, others problems, problems in the world you surely become more depressed than people with a intellect like the cast of Jersey Shore.
#325 to #324 - firesky (12/20/2013) [-]
And for religious people:
If they are truly religious and have worries, they talk to their god and feel better afterwards. Atheists can't do that.

There was even a study about football players (soccer if you are an american) that showed that strong religious players have less stress and worries before/during a big game then non religious ones as they pray before playing.
#128 to #105 - thasmackdown **User deleted account** (12/19/2013) [-]
uh dude? you mean "it must 'bee' my suprior intelligence."
User avatar #122 to #105 - Jameshaich (12/19/2013) [-]
Couldn't agree more. I hate people who are crabbit or grumpy blame it on their superior intelligence.
Which they probably don't have
#385 to #122 - waterbottlemanboy (12/20/2013) [-]
OH MAN, I might get red thumbs but I just have to share this.

I knew this woman, she was really cool, easily offended though, but whatever. One day she was telling me she was really sad and depressed and **** , so I ask her why, and I **** you not, she tells me "Everyone I know is so much dumber than me, I just can't take it.", I immediately lost all respect for her at this point, I wasn't gonna try to cheer her up. She was also that ****** kind of Atheist, that seems to be one just so she can act smarter and more mature than everyone else, she was always jumping at any chance to say she's an Atheist, and she would ******* love you if you were also an Atheist, I just hated that. Now I don't hate all Atheists or anything, I give everyone a chance, but holy **** I hate her for that unbelievably genuine condescending attitude. Sorry if this isn't entertaining or whatever to anyone, but that pic is just all too relevant to how she felt.
User avatar #227 to #122 - jukuku (12/19/2013) [-]
The anti vaccine movement
Global Warming deniers
Flat Earthers
Moon Landing deniers.

It's not a matter of being superior to everyone, it's being able to see the insanity of others for what it is.
#332 to #227 - swagbot (12/20/2013) [-]
I like how you lump the first two in with the second two.

You are being just as simplistic and dogmatic as Moon-Landing Deniers or Flat-Earthers, who are the true loonies.
User avatar #396 to #332 - jukuku (12/20/2013) [-]
See, this is my point. The anti-vaccine movement is giving way for a resurgence of diseases like pertussis. It is scientifically illiterate people thinking that their prattle holds up to criticism. The science behind global warming and the greenhouse effect is well established. Look at smog over cities, it is the same thing on a global scale.
#440 to #396 - swagbot (12/21/2013) [-]
What exactly did your comment "Prove"?

"...resurgence of diseases like pertussis..."

Proof? Article?

"...scientifically illiterate..."

You have absolutely no idea who I am, my level of scientific experience or education, the thought processes that I espouse, what i study, how much i study those things, and yet you call me 'scientifically illiterate'. FYI, buddy: White, Male, Atheist, Sociable, Programmer (and actually good at it, not the faux-coders clogging up our industry), very much into science. I indulge in PLENTY of engineering and 'scientific' pursuits, and and i espouse the Scientific Process in my work, projects, and general thinking. This is pure Prejudice, and that is not productive.

"The science behind global warming and the greenhouse effect is well established."

I had a few links ready to post, but I realized that would be a waste of time:
1. You'd need to make a full-time job out of comparing competing Global Warming studies.
2. Regardless, The Human Race should be striving to emit nothing from its habitation into the nonhuman environment.
3. Real or not, it is clear that fear over "Global Warming" is being used to gain control over industries, and money for politicians.

My point is this: THE WORLD IS A COMPLEX PLACE. Only investigation of a wide range of sources and evaluation of the validity of their premises, methods and conclusions can lead to truth, short of one personally performing the experimentation themselves.

People (such as me) who question institutions like Vaccines or Global Warming are not necessarily doing it for attention or to be pedantic... sometimes, after observation, we simply observe that the Assertions don't add up. That's all.
User avatar #444 to #440 - jukuku (12/21/2013) [-]
phys.org/news/2013-12-koch-brothers-reveals-funders-climate.html

New information just surfaced about the Climate Change denialist effort. This is a study revealing the money behind it.
User avatar #443 to #440 - jukuku (12/21/2013) [-]
Pertussis Resurgence: www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1209051
You need to login to view this link

Medical professionals regard vaccine refusal as one of the major factors in the increase of pertussis infections. More importantly there's no evidence that vaccines are dangerous or cause autism (lol faked results) it is a bunch of pseudo-science ******** that is getting people killed.

"Real or not, it is clear that fear over "Global Warming" is being used to gain control over industries, and money for politicians. "

Do you even know who lobbies politicians and who is in control of industry? For ***** sake there was a leaked memo among people in the energy sector saying all they had to do to discredit global warming was throw the idea out there that it wasn't true. It was a PR stunt so they could maintain their flow of income and keep their control.

I don't value pseudo-science. I don't take baseless conjecture seriously. I didn't say you were stupid, I said that scientific illiteracy is the cause for these absolutely incorrect statements. The data is irrefutable, the clinical trials are irrefutable. Vaccines save lives and are not dangerous. If someone understands how the different methods of vaccination work and the science behind it, they will see it isn't something dangerous.

"we simply observe that the Assertions don't add up. That's all."

Please extrapolate.
#430 to #396 - greenhouse (12/20/2013) [-]
man I just love debates about this topic
User avatar #431 to #430 - jukuku (12/20/2013) [-]
It's like banging your head against a wall. It's frustrating but somebody has to say it.
User avatar #264 to #227 - ugottanked (12/19/2013) [-]
flat earthers?
User avatar #397 to #264 - jukuku (12/20/2013) [-]
People that honestly believe the Earth is flat and it's a massive conspiracy if you say otherwise.
#422 to #288 - lankyman (12/20/2013) [-]
I don't care about what anyone says, that idea of the South Pole acting as a gigantic ice wall is around the world is kickass and awesome

Still a retarded society
User avatar #423 to #422 - christmouth (12/20/2013) [-]
It might be cool in a fictional world, but thinking that it's real is just flat out crazy.
User avatar #293 to #288 - ugottanked (12/19/2013) [-]
....

this has to be some kind of joke...right?!
User avatar #297 to #293 - christmouth (12/19/2013) [-]
Sadly it isn't
User avatar #299 to #297 - ugottanked (12/19/2013) [-]
this falls in the ******* line of those consipracy nutcases believing the illuminati control practically everything.
User avatar #398 to #299 - jukuku (12/20/2013) [-]
This is even worse. At least the idea of a New World Order is possible but still retarded . This is just out right impossible.
#303 to #299 - christmouth (12/20/2013) [-]
It does. We can take comfort in that the organization is very small, there are only 420 members, but that this thing exists is still something to be sad about.
It does. We can take comfort in that the organization is very small, there are only 420 members, but that this thing exists is still something to be sad about.
User avatar #304 to #303 - ugottanked (12/20/2013) [-]
but on the FLIP side of that statement

its only 420 people out of how many in the world?

only a small handful compared to the whole spectrum of things, eh?
User avatar #399 to #304 - jukuku (12/20/2013) [-]
That's in the official movement, there are likely millions that believe it.
User avatar #400 to #399 - ugottanked (12/20/2013) [-]
i sincerely hope not.
User avatar #308 to #304 - christmouth (12/20/2013) [-]
That's true. I'm just glad that I don't have do anything with people like that.
User avatar #310 to #308 - ugottanked (12/20/2013) [-]
same here

the only thing thats even mildly..well..retarded is this extremely hardcore christian guy who bashes anyone and everyone at my school

its funny because he looks like an ass.
User avatar #271 to #264 - Bobtheblob (12/19/2013) [-]
People who believe the earth is flat like a TF2 map.
User avatar #96 to #27 - oceanfrank (12/19/2013) [-]
sad but true. Not the Atheists being smart but the graph in general
#93 to #27 - Absolute Madman (12/19/2013) [-]
being athetist is being intelligent?
holy **** ****** , you are stupid
User avatar #82 to #27 - daentraya (12/19/2013) [-]
Cue people thinking they're geniusses but really are really just sad pathetics creatures. The art of being smart and knowing about all the ********** in the world is the knowledge of how to deal with it and not letting it get to you
User avatar #28 to #27 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
IQ of 145 and I'm happy
#121 to #28 - farfigschiter (12/19/2013) [-]
Ah to be 15 and think your IQ score means **** . I remember that age. Just try not to be too much of a conceded ass nugget by the time you leave high school, it'll make your life a lot easier if you accept that you aren't smarter than everyone.
#30 to #28 - jackii (12/19/2013) [-]
I hate to be that person but IQ isn't a viable measure of intelligence.
User avatar #230 to #30 - jukuku (12/19/2013) [-]
It serves a purpose, if someone truly has an IQ of 145 they likely are very intelligent or at the very least, greatly excel in one area. It's not very good at measuring accurately but if someone gets a 70, they're likely very slow and if someone gets a 160, they're likely very intelligent.
#62 to #30 - Absolute Madman (12/19/2013) [-]
Weeeeell...
I actually administer these kind of tests (WISC and WAIS mostly, because they be popular), and there's more to them than you might think. They accurately measure some factors, which are quite stable over lifespan and have a good predictability on outcome of life and stuff. But scoring them properly is very hard, which is why every test online is a fraud.
What exactly are those factors being measured? It's not "intelligence", but then again we have no idea what "intelligence" should mean. A famous quote is that intelligence is what the test measures. And for that, it does work.
Generally, a high score on standardized and validated test does equal better life outcomes. But you need specialized tests to accurately score how much smarter you are than the common rabble. Also, every test gets different results, a score of 90 can be high on one test and retardation on another.
User avatar #33 to #30 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
Its more viable than me just saying I'm smart
User avatar #46 to #33 - grapefruity (12/19/2013) [-]
It actually no more viable, since on top of most IQ tests being wildly inaccurate, you cannot prove you even got a high score in an inaccurate test over the internet.

For instance, if I say 'I got 200 in an IQ test' it doesn't make it any more valid than saying 'I am smart'. In fact it is pretty much synonymous for for just saying 'I am smart' with just as little backing or evidence to prove it...
User avatar #61 to #46 - kousei (12/19/2013) [-]
Tid bit, while i agree IQ tests are inaccurate testimonies for intelligence they do make for a decent method of discerning ones ability to learn. To be put simply, i have an IQ around 140, my eldest sister is around 120, and the middle sister(between us) is 100. Our highschool experience was vastly different but something i noticed was that I didn't have to try at all, no studying, nothing. Just do the work and i'm golden. The eldest had to put in some spare effort but got it pretty decently. The middle had to work her tail off (and continued to do so). So, while it might not be very accurate, it's much better than "I'm smart" trust me, i've seen some really stupid people claiming intelligence.
User avatar #65 to #61 - grapefruity (12/19/2013) [-]
My point was more that saying you have a high IQ over the internet isn't more valid than just saying your smart, because of the lack of evidence required to do either. I can say I got 80, 4000,136 or 1000000 on a IQ test and all would show as much evidence as saying I am smart

And personally, I don't feel IQ tests mean much (I got 136 on my school one back in the day and I am definitely was not the sharpest tool in the shed) but if it is accurate in practice for you then why worry? It doesn't really matter unless you are requesting someone else to respect your IQ score.

TL;DR: If you can't bring a signed paper into the discussion, that score doesn't mean anything other than 'I am smart because I said so'. Whether it means something at all is another discussion
User avatar #156 to #65 - kousei (12/19/2013) [-]
fair enough, and on the note of your own; you may not have been the sharpest tool in the shed but i assume you were above the average.
User avatar #47 to #46 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
If you think I'm going to debate someone who took the time to downvote every comment I made, including the one about my friends, you can go **** yourself
User avatar #49 to #47 - grapefruity (12/19/2013) [-]
Not going to debating you, I just felt you needed to know that I think you are a moron.

No offense of course, good day!
User avatar #29 to #28 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
O and ignorantly thumbing me down when I'm trying to start a debate makes you look stupid
User avatar #51 to #29 - indecisivejew (12/19/2013) [-]
What exactly do you think the thumbs are for? The red thumb button was DESIGNED to be used on posts that people think are stupid or offensive. If people don't like your posts, you should be upset about that, not about them using the feature that Funnyjunk was designed around. Or if you really hate the red thumbs, you could just stop posting.
#24 to #20 - JosiahNoelperez (12/19/2013) [-]
i'm atheist and happy as **** .
User avatar #26 to #24 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
You're a rare breed.
#48 to #26 - Absolute Madman (12/19/2013) [-]
You're one of those fat little 12 year olds who likes to start "intelligent debates" on the internet, aren't you?
#76 to #48 - ratchymatchy (12/19/2013) [-]
What does intelligence have to do with happiness anyways?

You can be smart and sad.
You can be dumb and happy.
Come on now.
User avatar #21 to #20 - somenerd (12/19/2013) [-]
If there isn't anything after this life, why not just end it now. What difference will it make
User avatar #54 to #21 - indecisivejew (12/19/2013) [-]
Because we find life to be enjoyable? What, do you not?

By the same logic, if you DON'T find life enjoyable, and you DO believe in heaven, then why don't you end it so that you can get there faster?
User avatar #92 to #54 - opticmonkey ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
But if you commit suicide you go to hell, not that I don't see your point, just saying
#108 to #92 - roarflmao ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
Well you pick the parts you like and believe in them, ignore the suicide one and GG life
User avatar #37 to #21 - meganinja ONLINE (12/19/2013) [-]
If there isn't anything after this life, than you better make sure you live a good life. What's your point in existing if you're going to squander it?
User avatar #23 to #21 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
You're thinking of it in the wrong way. If there isn't anything after this that means there's no final judgement so you can do anything you want with no consequences. I thought atheists would turn to hedonism because that makes more sense. You only get one life it better be ****** awesome
User avatar #168 to #23 - RandomAnonGuy (12/19/2013) [-]
All sin is equal in the eyes of god, so there's no moral difference between lying to your mother about the quality of her pie and stabbing her in the gullet.
And either way consequences can be avoided by apologizing.
#31 to #23 - jackii (12/19/2013) [-]
You don't need religion to have morals. There's consequences for everything; guilt, law, hurting someone who means something to you

You could say the say for people who believe "oh i can do anything because god will always forgive me anyway"
User avatar #32 to #31 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm mostly telling him that he shouldn't be suicidal in case you didn't read between the lines
User avatar #39 to #32 - somenerd (12/19/2013) [-]
If you read my comment reply to this, you would have realized that I am not suicidal.
User avatar #42 to #39 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
You posted a picture about honor and having not met you there is no way I could extrapolate that. Two of my friends killed themselves this year so sorry if I don't want another person to ******* die
#22 to #21 - somenerd (12/19/2013) [-]
NOt my opinion. Opinion of some atheists.
User avatar #25 to #22 - ilikeeatingcheese (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm glad you brought this up. No part of this shows any sort religious identification. Also the U.S. army killed over 3000 people in drone strikes with only 48 of them being combatants. Osama Bin Laden is not a Muslim, he was an extremists who violated many of the core tenets of the Qu'ran
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