GO GO SATAN. . PM i WITH ,. what if Hell is actually a really nice place but the Bible tells lies and spreads propaganda about it because they want more business for Heaven
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#10 - hugsta (09/21/2013) [-]
#21 - captnpl ONLINE (09/21/2013) [-]
#12 - banditowolf (09/21/2013) [-]
what if Hell is actually a really nice place but the Bible tells lies and spreads propaganda about it because they want more business for Heaven
User avatar #91 to #12 - dezider **User deleted account** (09/21/2013) [-]
heaven - place with a bunch of elitist to run it, you **** up while living, you don't want to be bullied by their commandments, you want a proof of their existence - you're out...don't ask questions and blindly follow the rules...
hell - accepts everyone, no judgement, has all the fun people in there
#13 to #12 - screaming (09/21/2013) [-]
I just think that, if you go to Hell for your sins, then it would be a place made up of all the sins from our lives, rather than eternal suffering.

Now, there will be many downsides, but booze, drugs and sex sounds like a perfect afterlife.
User avatar #47 to #13 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
Well if you lived a life of betrayal, according to Dante's Inferno, you will end up in the very circle that Lucifer himself is in, and you will face eternal torment by demons, and if you're really unlucky, you'll have you ******* head eaten by Lucifer every day.
User avatar #71 to #47 - enkmaster (09/21/2013) [-]
Dante's inferno is not an accepted source by the Church. Thats like saying "well if Diablo 3 is right, you can just get magic powers and kill all the Prime evils and have a great day"
User avatar #72 to #71 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
Except the Nine Rings of hell are in the catholic faith.
User avatar #73 to #72 - enkmaster (09/21/2013) [-]
Where does it say that? The only referance to Hell in the Bible is a place "With great fire and gnashing of teeth"
User avatar #105 to #73 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
Not sure where, but this is just what I have read.
User avatar #109 to #72 - nigeltheoutlaw (09/21/2013) [-]
The Nine Rings of Hell were made by Dante. They aren't anywhere in the Bible, Old or New Testament.
User avatar #111 to #109 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
Do you realize how much stuff the pope took out of the bible?
User avatar #112 to #111 - nigeltheoutlaw (09/22/2013) [-]
Holy **** dude, the Nine Rings were fantasy made by Dante Alighieri in the Middle Ages in his poem The Divine Comedy. They were never in the Bible to begin with.
User avatar #77 to #54 - zenaki (09/21/2013) [-]
You understand why he quit right? How corrupt the Vatican is, how they hold books that should be in the bible yet aren't because it would create controversy to the christian world? Like how Moses wasn't the original one to talk to the burning bush.
#15 - demented ONLINE (09/21/2013) [-]
And then he did, and it was awesome
User avatar #26 - theguywhoaskswhy (09/21/2013) [-]
If one no longer has a physical body how can one feel pain in hell?
#28 to #26 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
Are you really applying logic to a religious matter?
User avatar #30 to #28 - theguywhoaskswhy (09/21/2013) [-]
Nah, its just I was raised Catholic and this was the first question I thought of that made me start to question the whole thing.
User avatar #33 to #30 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
I was raised Orthodox, I used to pray and all the good stuff.
It's just that I grew up, started understanding the world around me, and realized that a god that creates such a world is most likely to be indifferent to our behavior.
And if it does punish us for being such as it created us, god is most likely to be an evil being.
So these are my conclusions: either (hell does not exist) god is indifferent towards us, and as such we can ignore his existence, or (hell exists) it is evil and it is not to be worshiped.
PS: "it", god having a gender (as we know them) is idiotic.
User avatar #49 to #33 - luthervonappledorf (09/21/2013) [-]
Also, "If a god is willing to prevent evil, but not able, then he is not omnipotent. If he is able, but not willing, then he must be malevolent. If he is neither able or willing then why call him a god? Why else do bad things happen to good people?"

I know this is originally Epicurus but it is still somewhat poignant and makes a lot of sense.
User avatar #51 to #49 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
I still prefer the indifferent god hypothesis.
It's true, bad things happen to good people, but then again, good things happen to bad people, too.
Both joy and sufferance are equally shared by evil and good people.
Then again, the concepts of "good" and "evil" are arbitrary, the individual concept of good can contrast with the social one, and many an evil deed were committed with good intentions or goals.

User avatar #56 to #51 - luthervonappledorf (09/21/2013) [-]
It almost makes me wish that 'good' and 'evil' had evolved with society in the way that it has through morality.

The 'good' in most religious views is far removed from the 'good' in morality. I know that would basically mean re-writing the Bible but it would make them so much more believable and useful as a guide. I've never been religious but I was always intrigued by it. But seeing how they view morality makes most religions seems ridiculous. Even if they are supposed to be 'interpreted' then what value does that give to their morals? If everyone can just pick and choose what they want, then why bother in the first place?
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User avatar #32 to #26 - thedeadlypajamas (09/21/2013) [-]
You do still have your physical body.
User avatar #34 to #32 - brucekillah (09/21/2013) [-]
What if you are cremated?
User avatar #41 to #34 - thedeadlypajamas (09/21/2013) [-]
As I understand it, when the resurrection comes, all everyone comes back with their body. It all comes back somehow.
User avatar #36 to #34 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
We're talking Bruce Almighty here, what's turning ash to flesh for a god?
User avatar #37 to #36 - brucekillah (09/21/2013) [-]
Depends upon the God's limits
User avatar #38 to #37 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
But god (if it exists) does no not have limits.

Omnipotence is one of the core concepts of god.
User avatar #40 to #38 - brucekillah (09/21/2013) [-]
Every god has had a limit, the limit of the christian god is the limit of our imagination
User avatar #43 to #40 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]

“By God I understand a being absolutely infinite, i.e., a substance consisting of infinite attributes, of which each one expresses an eternal and infinite essence."
Cit. Baruch Spinoza
So his god is limitless.

Christian theology portrays god as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and necessarily existent.
Where did you get it from that "every god has a limit"?
User avatar #55 to #43 - brucekillah (09/21/2013) [-]
Im not smart enough to have the words that can express what I mean, but nothing is infiinite. Ancient Greek/Roman gods had their limits, Norse gods had their limits. Hindu Taoist gods have their limits.

Either way, a god's power is only as infinite as our imagination
User avatar #65 to #55 - marcelowwerulz (09/21/2013) [-]
God has no limits... but he can limitate himself...

If he chooses to create a rock and he says that this rock will be unliftable, he wont lift it... because he wont go against his words...
User avatar #69 to #65 - enkmaster (09/21/2013) [-]
But the paradox states that "he himself could not lift it, not would not lift it, And thats where the problems is.
User avatar #74 to #69 - marcelowwerulz (09/21/2013) [-]
as far as i understand, paradoxes dont help anyone or do anything, so i guess we shouldnt waste time thinking about it...
User avatar #83 to #69 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
The "omnipotence paradox" is quite a hairy beast.
I prefer to postulate is this way: "what happens if an irresistible force meets an immovable object?".
The answer is that such things can not coexist, as their concepts are mutually exclusive.

We can conceive god's power and all in existence as an emanation of his absolute will.
A rock that can not be lifted would be such by god's will.
Him choosing to lift such rock would nullify its condition as an "unliftable".
This is my personal answer.
User avatar #70 to #55 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
"but nothing is infinite"
We have no logical basis to support this statement.
The number of atoms required to represent the result of the operation 10/3 is potentially infinite.
Some gods were thought of as finite, the christian god is conceived as infinite, and that's that.
As for our imagination, it is boundless.
The number of concepts we can imagine can always be increased by combining or expanding previously existing ones.
The simple fact that we can always postulate x+1 makes our imagination infinite.
User avatar #46 to #38 - luthervonappledorf (09/21/2013) [-]
Which is defeated by the 'If God is all powerful can he create a rock that he cannot lift' paradox.
#48 to #46 - greatgranpapy ONLINE (09/21/2013) [-]
Made this m'self, feel free.
User avatar #50 to #48 - luthervonappledorf (09/21/2013) [-]
I do believe I shall.

Thank you kind sir.
User avatar #39 to #38 - smokingman (09/21/2013) [-]
Bit of a typo there.
User avatar #27 to #26 - malimrav (09/21/2013) [-]
Bible wasn't written using logic, so don't worry your pretty little head with whats written in it
#4 - chaosnazo (09/21/2013) [-]
Isn't that Lucifer/Hel?
Isn't that Lucifer/Hel?
User avatar #86 - naroemcgarson (09/21/2013) [-]
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#17 - anon (09/21/2013) [-]
If "hardcore" Christians are right, then I think hell would be a really nice place. Since most people wouldn't go to heaven, many of histories best and brightest would have had lifetimes living in hell. I bet Satan has been overthrown long ago. Just think of what a brain trust of DaVinci, Einstein, Tesla, etc. could do. Not to mention they probably have millenniums of experience throwing wild (lava) pool-parties!
anon - out
#64 - kaycie (09/21/2013) [-]
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#53 - caplocker (09/21/2013) [-]
I'm an unwilling atheist. I don't want to be a non-believer. I'd rather believe, but can't seem to force myself
User avatar #57 to #53 - thebrownydestroyer **User deleted account** (09/21/2013) [-]
User avatar #63 to #53 - malimrav (09/21/2013) [-]
What the **** does that even mean? How can you be "unwilling" atheist? Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to say you're atheist?
Dude you need to think about what you believe in. Take your time it's not easy thing to figure out. If you just aren't sure what you believe then you are an agnostic.
#82 to #63 - caplocker (09/21/2013) [-]
I'm certain there is no God, though I don't want to believe this way. Why is it so hard for you to understand. Is there a santa? But wouldn't it be cool to still believe? I'm not sure why the hostility, but I guess that's pretty typical for some people. w/e though.
#67 to #53 - fukkentyranitar (09/21/2013) [-]
Soooooo, you're agnostic?
User avatar #7 - krasnogvardiech (09/21/2013) [-]
Why is it that we go to Hell for pursuing the things we will receive in Heaven?
User avatar #44 to #7 - commontroll (09/21/2013) [-]
Yeah, it doesn't say anything about getting all the things we were told were evil.

Though Islam is pretty silly to me because in Paradise, the wine flows like rivers. But it's a sin for a Muslim to drink alcohol. Also it's a sex driven fantasy world where you have hundreds of slaves.
User avatar #66 to #44 - kombee (09/21/2013) [-]
Well, the wine in heaven is described as not having the ill effects it would otherwise have on earth, so basically you feel the benefits and not the downsides. Sex driven is a bit of a stretch I think, since I'm pretty sure you wont have your sex organs in heaven. If you look at Adam and Hawa (the muslim Eve) they only get their "sex-limbs" after eating the apple, and since it's your soul that is going to heaven I don't think you retain those limbs that you're body might have. Basically I think it's the beauty and intimate presence of those "virgins"/"maidens" (which is a skewed translation of the original arabic text, with an albeit small but different meaning mind you) that you get to behold and feel happy about rather than the sexual act you might be thinking of. Lol, I'm not a 100% sure though I'm just trying to show things in another light so to speak.
User avatar #76 to #66 - commontroll (09/21/2013) [-]
Huh, didn't know about those. Thank you for teaching me a bit more. I always found it strange especially with the wine one.

But yeah, I mean, if people believe in Islam, that's cool and it's their choice. Just not the worldview for me.
User avatar #84 to #76 - kombee (09/21/2013) [-]
Cool. I get what you mean. It's also especially this passage that makes me and my brother confused. We're both muslims so we've tried to look into it in more details (we still can't read arabic though), and we still do sometimes find other ways to interpret it. It's like uncovering a mystery, lol.
User avatar #87 to #84 - commontroll (09/21/2013) [-]
I know what you mean. Same thing with Christianity when you don't know Greek and Hebrew.

Well, Fi Amanullah, have a great day dude.
User avatar #89 to #87 - kombee (09/21/2013) [-]
Haha, you too my friend
User avatar #75 to #66 - enkmaster (09/21/2013) [-]
Fun fact: Due to skewed translations and linguistic evolution, some scholars believe that what is know called "72 virgins" in paradise actually meant lots of fruit.

Just thought Id bring it up.
User avatar #80 to #75 - commontroll (09/21/2013) [-]
But, why would somebody be so excited about lots of fruit? Not to mention they go into detail about the women and their bodies.
User avatar #81 to #80 - enkmaster (09/21/2013) [-]
Thats exactly it. Language changes, so what meant fruit back then means virgins now. The descriptions were added in later re-writing and printings.
User avatar #88 to #81 - kombee (09/21/2013) [-]
Interesting. I didn't know that. I'm pretty sure the text in the different Qurans, hasn't changed from the original that Muhammed (saw) brought with him. But the accompanied describtions (that sometimes follow the Quran) of the Suras might have. However, you might be right on the fact that the words used has changed meaning since then.
User avatar #8 to #7 - malimrav (09/21/2013) [-]
Well that question needs a long answer.
In Bible i believe (correct me if I'm wrong) it is said that anyone who goes to Heaven will be eternally happy because they will be in presence of God. I don't think i says anything about receiving all the things you wanted in your Life on Earth.
#68 to #8 - anon (09/21/2013) [-]
I frequent conspiracy boards and there's of course a lot of discussion, but I see a lot who agree that there are degrees, of heaven, purgatory and hell... Some believe the plane that Earth exists on is actually purgatory with several degrees of heaven and hell... Supposedly the next 'heaven' stage from Earth is an tweaked Earth where things are done for the benefit of humanity or where things are done correctly, essentially an Earth without a military complex.
User avatar #113 to #68 - malimrav (09/22/2013) [-]
Man, that Earth and "next" Earth are waaay too much conspiracy theories for me. But the belief that Heaven and Hell are diveded in degrees comes from DanteAlighieri's book Divine comedy. There Hell is divided in 9 circles (acording to sins) and Heaven is made out of 9 planes.
#25 to #8 - anon (09/21/2013) [-]
so basically the afterlife kinda sucks for us if were good or bad, i think id rather be reincarnated.
User avatar #9 to #8 - krasnogvardiech (09/21/2013) [-]
Okay. Thanks for your input.
#22 - anon (09/21/2013) [-]
I think Satan and Lucifer are two different non-existent being.
#29 to #22 - thegrandexemplar (09/21/2013) [-]
aren't they the same non-existent being?
User avatar #45 to #29 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
Well now let's not go starting a ********** here, in many faiths there is a great evil, a Fallen who had taken a number of his brothers with him to prepare for a final battle...actually...that's in every ******* religion that has brothers in the heavens.
User avatar #58 to #45 - thebrownydestroyer **User deleted account** (09/21/2013) [-]
well I wouldn't describe Lucifer as "evil", just very pissed off
User avatar #59 to #58 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
Well yes, the way I fugure it, he still loves his brothers up in heaven, as well as his father, but he feels betrayed.
User avatar #61 to #59 - thebrownydestroyer **User deleted account** (09/21/2013) [-]
You know I wish Christians would actually think about stuff like that, but they assume he is bad for the sake of being bad. Kinda annoying
User avatar #62 to #61 - holycrapimacupcake (09/21/2013) [-]
He's bad because he's ******* pissed! His own older brother threw him down to hell!
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yep i know, but since it's a picture of satan i named it that way.

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You dense mother ****** .
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am i the only one to see a yaranaika face?
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User avatar #104 - entarasu (09/21/2013) [-]
i dont want to go in heaven or hell i want to make my own realm called the void a place for bad and good people the bad are left in a complete dark space they keep falling silently and blindly and the good will fight their sins and they will return on earth
and i want to kill lucifer and unite hell and heaven
User avatar #99 - sweetellie (09/21/2013) [-]
In fact, forget the heaven!
User avatar #97 - pepemex (09/21/2013) [-]
#TeamSatan FTW
#24 - penguinthegreat (09/21/2013) [-]
in fact, forget the heaven
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