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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#1 - nospyonme
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User avatar #44 - kanatana
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According to www.usinflationcalculator.com/, the value of $1.60 back then is roughly equal to $10.75 today.
User avatar #160 to #44 - chrisfloyd
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I feel the need to point out that 10.75 is about the wage a person could expect to earn doing hard physically demanding work in my area. Factories, rail work, ditch-digging, etc.
User avatar #154 to #44 - SteyrAUG
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Proving once again, that almost all politically motivated statistics are made up on the spot.
User avatar #51 to #44 - angelusprimus
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(09/20/2013) [-]
That is only inflation.
Minimum wage is calculated on average wage, costs of food and shelter.
Idea of minimum wage is that full time job at minimum wage covers minimum needs of a human being.
#2 - ogloko
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i dont know why people are so baffled by the fact that successful people have most of the money
#4 to #2 - afireinsidebrad
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we arent baffled by that, we are baffled that in some states its better to live off welfare than work minimum wage full time, and that easier jobs are paid a lot better than harder to work jobs

i was doing labor work for $8 while my GF was working on a computer and taking phone calls for food orders for $12
#5 to #4 - ogloko
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you are paid relative to your worth to the company
#90 to #5 - donpacinoblah
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exactly
User avatar #149 to #4 - partnerintroll
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at least labor is a little more well off here than in other places. Though, when I worked construction with my girlfriend's father this summer, labor cost ended up being the same, if not more, than materials. So it depends on skills, and your worth, a lot of it at least. The rest is how many ***** your employer gives about your position
#6 to #4 - anon id: 8a18ea20
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sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason that "hard labor" jobs don't pay is because in america we have a population of 300 million people. The value of labor is almost nonexistant because you can always find someone else to work if the other guy won't. it is more about having skills that will get you a good job.
User avatar #183 to #6 - hasanaat
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Basically this. All the developed economies are being transformed in the world, now a days it's about your smarts, not hard labor jobs. Just a word of advice, get jobs in law field or STEM. In the future they'll always find an immigrant willing to work half your wage in a hard labor job.
#164 to #6 - anon id: 8af02d7b
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lol? hard labour jobs pay very well, the average construction worker makes 14 dollars an hour
#182 to #164 - fbiagent
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>very well
>$14/hour
***** you need to reevaluate what constitutes "very well"
User avatar #115 to #2 - jukuku
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Does it feel good believing in a load of horse ****?

A lot of the super rich are not these decent men who create jobs, like you've been told. Look at Mitt Romney, there are more hundred millionaires like that, than like Bill Gates, or Elon Musk. And if you don't think that the wealth distributing is a problem, maybe you should re-evaluate your understanding of economics, because this leaves absolutely no economic opportunity for small business and the economy is doomed to shrink if the middle class is so ******* poor.
#147 to #115 - partnerintroll
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>Never mentions wealth distribution being a problem
>Never mentions success being ethical
>Never mentions that he believes, nor makes anyone but your self-fulfilling **** for brain believe, that he's been "told" that they were honest, money-making men.

shut your cynical ass up. We get it. They aren't the most ethical, and they're cut throat. yet "successful". And if your cynical reality can't come to terms with that, then its a load of horse ****. You turn into a statement into a reason to argue over something no one wants to argue about
User avatar #114 - rhetoricalfunny
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This is my stance on economics

Corporations are OP
Need nerf
User avatar #161 to #114 - chrisfloyd
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People are too lazy / cheap to shop at small businesses. So the corporations will continue to grow until people change who they give their money
User avatar #174 to #161 - rhetoricalfunny
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No one can afford to support small businesses.
User avatar #185 to #174 - loonquawl
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Not in 'Murica...
User avatar #186 to #174 - chrisfloyd
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I do and I work 3 part-time minimum wage jobs. That's a sad excuse.
User avatar #188 to #186 - rhetoricalfunny
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You are one ******* person

In a country of 313.9 Million
User avatar #189 to #188 - chrisfloyd
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Yes. Yes I am. You said yourself that corporations need nerfing. I'm doing that instead of waiting on the government to do something. Meantime, you're thumbing down comments on the internet.
User avatar #190 to #189 - rhetoricalfunny
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>Implying that my actions through the web are representative of my actions in my life

>Implying that one person has any kind of meaningful impact upon the economic structure, or political pull of a TNC
User avatar #191 to #190 - chrisfloyd
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you've resorted to ">implying" ...cute.

As long as people have your kind of attitude nothing is going to change. I'm done. This is far from an intelligent debate. Bye.
User avatar #192 to #191 - rhetoricalfunny
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You seem to lack the ability to deduct that ">implying" is a common way of showing the basic flaws in ones argument with as little effort as possible.

Seeing as how I wish to put no effort into this argument, as you've already shown yourself to be completely closed off to any other stance but "HURR IF I LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS"

Or whatever the **** you think. Fact is, no one can ******* afford to support small business. You cannot support small buisness whilst having a minimum wage job that has to pay your bills/car/utilities, go to school, and support your family.

It's not ******* possible.

And one person on the internet who claims he can do it is not going to change that
#194 to #192 - chrisfloyd
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(09/24/2013) [-]
People continue to spend money at corporations = corporations grow   
People stop shopping at corporations = corporations crumble   
A large amount of american citizens complain about corporate america   
A large amount of american citizens continue to shop at large corporations   
A large amount of american citizens act hypocritically   
   
Please disprove
People continue to spend money at corporations = corporations grow
People stop shopping at corporations = corporations crumble
A large amount of american citizens complain about corporate america
A large amount of american citizens continue to shop at large corporations
A large amount of american citizens act hypocritically

Please disprove
User avatar #199 to #194 - rhetoricalfunny
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Basically, you're ******* stupid
#200 to #199 - chrisfloyd
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The Kmart in my town closed last year because people stopped shopping there. It's that simple. Plenty of major chain fast-food restaurants have failed in my town (Arby's, Hardee's, etc) but our local restaurants are doing fine. We are actually known in the area for our local restaurant variety. Closing the doors of corporate institutions is a lot easier than you think (once you stop being so stubborn).   
   
btw I find your profile picture ironic
The Kmart in my town closed last year because people stopped shopping there. It's that simple. Plenty of major chain fast-food restaurants have failed in my town (Arby's, Hardee's, etc) but our local restaurants are doing fine. We are actually known in the area for our local restaurant variety. Closing the doors of corporate institutions is a lot easier than you think (once you stop being so stubborn).

btw I find your profile picture ironic
User avatar #201 to #200 - rhetoricalfunny
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That's one shop, do you honestly think that K-mart (or whatever k-mart is a part of)
Was even remotely affected? They probably made money, and are continuing to make money. In fact, people shopping is probably where they make the least profits, especially when you're not looking at corporations like Wal-Mart and McDonalds, instead looking at corporations like Shell, or Enbridge, or even the privately owned prisons.

Corporations that do not hinge on a consumer.

Even if the consumer did have some power over the corporations you're speaking of, they have absolutely none over the ones that actually matter.

Not to mention, that was one ******* K-mart, in a country with god knows how many.

YOUR EXPERIENCES, ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REST OF THE WORLD'S

no, my profile picture is not ironic, it's fitting. Because **** you
#202 to #201 - chrisfloyd
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lol no you're so wrong. I like how you are so upset over me suggesting that people should stop shopping at corporations because people don't like corporations.  Of course one kmart closing is a big deal. They have completely lost all profits in one market which has a huge effect on their footing in the metro area. Of course  customers not bying from a corporation will cause them to close. Remember pontiac? They made ****** cars and now they are out of business. (I'm an economics minor btw. I find this all very amusing)
lol no you're so wrong. I like how you are so upset over me suggesting that people should stop shopping at corporations because people don't like corporations. Of course one kmart closing is a big deal. They have completely lost all profits in one market which has a huge effect on their footing in the metro area. Of course customers not bying from a corporation will cause them to close. Remember pontiac? They made ****** cars and now they are out of business. (I'm an economics minor btw. I find this all very amusing)
User avatar #203 to #202 - rhetoricalfunny
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Well I'm the ******* queen of england
Make whatever ******** claims you want, it doesn't give your argument any more validity.
The closing of one branch has no effect upon a TNC, so much so that it's not uncommon to close branches due to the profits involved.
This is all completely disregarding TNC's that actually matter

I'm "upset" because you are a spoiled little **** who's so disconnected with reality that he thinks it's that easy. It's not.
#204 to #203 - chrisfloyd
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You're cute. I have a car payment, work 40+ hours, take college courses, insurance, etc. There's no need for such language, I just wanted to talk economics
You're cute. I have a car payment, work 40+ hours, take college courses, insurance, etc. There's no need for such language, I just wanted to talk economics
User avatar #205 to #204 - rhetoricalfunny
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Well I'm a ******* albino midget,

Let me guess, you're also undergoing expensive cancer treatment, while donating 100K regularly to charities

Make whatever claims you want, it doesn't make them true, and it doesn't make your argument valid.

Even if they were true, you are one person

YOUR EXPERIENCES, ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REST OF THE WORLD'S
#206 to #205 - chrisfloyd
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Doubt me all you want, that doesn't make it any less true.   
   
 I'm just saying if people gave half a damn and shopped at costco (pays their employees $10-15) instead of walmart (pays minimum wage) the economy would be in much better shape.
Doubt me all you want, that doesn't make it any less true.

I'm just saying if people gave half a damn and shopped at costco (pays their employees $10-15) instead of walmart (pays minimum wage) the economy would be in much better shape.
User avatar #207 to #206 - rhetoricalfunny
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>Claims to Support small business
>Costco

And there goes your entire argument, good night ********
User avatar #210 to #207 - chrisfloyd
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eh too many purple lines. I end with this:

not so much ALL corporations or ALL small businesses. Because that would totalitory and a fallacy of argument. More of, spend money at institutions that are responsible with the money you give them (corporations are almost never as good as small businesses). But just like EVERYTHING else in life nothing is ever 100%. Some corporations can be good, but most aren't. I thought you were smart enough to know that I didn't mean turn into a complete hippie that does nothing but shop at the farmer's market and sleep in his car. I apologize clearly I was wrong.

I'm still sure why you are so butthurt over me saying that people should be smarter about where they spend their money before they complain about how evil corporations are taking over the world. In every school of economics anybody who says "corporations will continue operating even when people don't shop there" would probably never live down all the laughter they would get from their peers.

and so now you do one of three things:
1: continue spending your money at corporations by day, and ranting about how evil corporations are by night (retarded)
2: become more economically aware and care what happens to your money after you spend it so that your actions live up to your original post (makes sense)
3: kill yourself

I've never seen someone get as butthurt over such a simply statement as you have. It's been amusing. Unfortunately, I'm getting tired of seeing orange exclamation marks of your "hurr durr you don't know what the real world is like" every time I want to look at funny pictures whenever I'm not working.
#208 to #207 - chrisfloyd
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lol k. costco is far from a major corporation, and even further from a greedy one.   
   
are you always this easy to upset / overly detail oriented, or are you just bound and determined to not admit that maybe being fiscally responsible / aware is a good idea?
lol k. costco is far from a major corporation, and even further from a greedy one.

are you always this easy to upset / overly detail oriented, or are you just bound and determined to not admit that maybe being fiscally responsible / aware is a good idea?
User avatar #209 to #208 - rhetoricalfunny
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Costco is a transnational corporation
NOT a small buisness

Therefore
You're entire argument is complete ********.

It isn't a small detail, it's a major ******* detail. You're not supporting small buisness, you're supporting a trans national corporation. Whether or not they are "greedy" or "major" (despite not being to the scale of wal mart or mcdonalds, Coscto is ******* huge.) Is irrelevant
User avatar #198 to #194 - rhetoricalfunny
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Whether or not YOU can support small buisness means absolutely nothing, because everyone else can't
User avatar #197 to #194 - rhetoricalfunny
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No, corporations do not crumble, because people to not just "stop spending"

They are TRANS NATIONALS.

Not to mention that they are officially people, with all the rights, and no responsibilities of a human.
Support from governments and international sales could keep them afloat even on the 100% theoretical that people in America would stop spending their money on them and starve to death.
User avatar #196 to #194 - rhetoricalfunny
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You're an idiot to think that your claims to support small business will ever amount to anything.

No one can afford to support small business
User avatar #195 to #194 - rhetoricalfunny
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And you're making so much effort to make this an "intelligent debate."
You're painfully stupid.
Corporations are not effected by the choices of 1 person, nor 1 million people.

To compound the fact that they maintain ridiculous profit margins by keeping as many as possible on minimum wage, while small businesses cannot afford to do the same, and produce basic goods at a fractions of the price of small businesses.

Apparently you think it's possible to raise a family, go to school, pay rent, pay for your car, pay your utilities, and pay for your food, all while supporting small businesses on minimum wage.

It's not

You may as well be telling a homeless man to support small business.
Consumers have no power, impact, or choice
#169 - harveylegnipples
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(09/20/2013) [-]
Alright let's start

Minimum wage goes up

Which means companies have to pay more to keep their employees

Which means the cost of production / manufacturing / goods and services goes up

Which means companies
A) Raise prices on their goods and services
or
B) Cut back jobs to make up for the increased wages

Which means the cost of living will skyrocket, or the unemployment rate will skyrocket

Which means you don't understand economy

Which means..... wait, lost my train of thought.
User avatar #181 to #169 - Lejizack
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companies are actually starting to move back in to the USA of their own volition because the work force here is vastly more productive then else where. The current generation in the work force is THE most productive and hard working generation in the USA. What I am saying is, if companies wish to build a better product, and have it be seen reliable in foreign markets, they should build inside America. However, they should also pay fair wages, prices on products a going up any way due to inflation. How do you recommend bringing prices down so that a person who is making 7.75 can afford to live? Well, you probably cant. So the government steps in to help cover their expenses in the form of welfare, which people who don't need welfare then vilify those who use welfare. So, how is it that people should live? Not everyone has access to quality education so they can advance as far as they would like in society. So how do you help someone who is on minimum wage? It may not have to be 21$ an hour jobs, but 10-15 is easily affordable, and studies have shown that real economic growth is in the hands of the lower side of the wealth spectrum. Lower to middle class families would actually start a boom in the economy because they spend roughly 90% of their money in grocery stores, and in walmarts and in other retail stores. You need to login to view this link theweek.com/article/index/240460/how-will-raising-the-minimum-wage-affect-the-economy
#178 to #169 - bazda
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Holy ****, somebody who understands the free market!

Let me get a picture!
#180 to #178 - harveylegnipples
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Gotta love school!
#79 - nightmarecorpse
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Back in the day, minimum wage use to mean the base amount a person could earn working full time and still be able to afford all the necessities/support their family.
Back in the day, minimum wage use to mean the base amount a person could earn working full time and still be able to afford all the necessities/support their family.
User avatar #103 - rocksteady
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Sorry, but I'm one of those rare people on Funnyjunk who went to college, got a degree in something useful unlike art or psychology; then I got a good paying job.

I like the minimum wage where it is, furthermore; if you raise the minimum wage you would have to raise my hourly pay also or people in my field would strike. We need medical personal a lot more then some fry cook who thinks he should be making 12 dollars an hour.
#106 to #103 - quiescat
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make sure to tell your next fry cook that. and good luck with your diarrhea
User avatar #107 to #106 - rocksteady
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I make enough money I don't eat at places with fry cooks.
#109 to #107 - quiescat
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any place you eat has a guy making 10 bucks hour at best making sure your food is what it is. unless you happen to be rocking a 5k a plate kinda place but i don't think your that well off.
User avatar #111 to #109 - hahahahah
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You're wrong, Rocksteady is right about this.

I'm sorry you failed at life and don't make enough money
User avatar #110 to #109 - rocksteady
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No.
User avatar #159 to #103 - deathleprechaun
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And what do you do for a living that give you the right to be so arrogant?
User avatar #120 to #103 - crislaboy
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agreed a person with a degree has a right to earn more in their job. But the way things are going the way of life is getting more expensive each day and min wage just doesn't cover daily needs anymore. True one shouldn't get comfortable in a job at burger king but at the very least pay them a wage that they can survive in this very age. i say i understand because my dad is a welder and makes a decent more than min wage and my mom works in a light factory and only makes 12 bucks an hour. going through high school we had to live on a very tight budget and even this was not on min wage
User avatar #122 to #120 - rocksteady
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Reading what you said just helps prove that minimum wage should not be raised.

Your family had the correct income for their jobs.
User avatar #124 to #122 - crislaboy
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dude...we were almost foreclosed...if it wasn't for the help of our lawyer to refinances our home we would have had to move man. things settled down now but they were pretty bad two years ago
User avatar #133 to #124 - crislaboy
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fair enough...you have your opinion i have mine. I feel as though the min wage should be raised...at the very least here in nj where the cost to live is quite high. 7.25$ just doesn't cut it here. but you have your own way of thinking and i have no right to insult you based on that...i just feel differently about it
User avatar #129 to #124 - rocksteady
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You said "live on a very tight budget" as a welder and light factory employee would. I understand things were hard, but it doesn't change the economics.
User avatar #116 to #103 - xxvampirepriestxx
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I received a degree in psychology and I make $200 an hour to listen to people and help them stop feeling so ****** to the point where they want to commit suicide. So I'd say my job means a little ******* something, asshole.
User avatar #117 to #116 - rocksteady
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You work at McDonalds and make 8 dollars.

I can tell, its why your so angry.
User avatar #119 to #117 - xxvampirepriestxx
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You're fighting a losing battle. Tell me, what is it that you even do for a career?
User avatar #121 to #119 - rocksteady
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I'm not fighting a battle, I simply hit a nerve because I'm right.
User avatar #123 to #121 - xxvampirepriestxx
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It's interesting how you can talk so down upon me and you have yet to even mention you career. And you did strike a nerve, but not because you are right, but because you are wrong. People like you see no need for studies such as psychology because you're too arrogant to realize that people out there truly need help from men in our study. Depression is real, sir, and I myself am trying to make a difference. So I would appreciate it if you showed some respect instead of downing it. But I do agree with you on the art thing, that is kind of useless..
User avatar #126 to #123 - rocksteady
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You know I'm right, its why your ranting.
User avatar #128 to #126 - xxvampirepriestxx
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I feel as though I'm dealing with an adolescent.
User avatar #131 to #128 - rocksteady
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Name calling, the final sign.
User avatar #134 to #131 - xxvampirepriestxx
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Like how you called a psychologist a fry cook. Come on rocksady, I thought an "educated man" such as yourself would've been above hypocrisy.
User avatar #135 to #134 - rocksteady
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I never said that, find the quote I'll wait.
#148 to #135 - weeeeeeeeeeee
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User avatar #137 to #135 - xxvampirepriestxx
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"You work at McDonalds and make 8 dollars." by the way, I do apologize for spelling your name incorrectly in my previous comment.
User avatar #138 to #137 - rocksteady
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Yeah I said you work at McDonalds and make 8 dollars

I didn't say that pshychologists are a fry cook
User avatar #139 to #138 - xxvampirepriestxx
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To say I work at McDonald's and make 8 dollars an hour would be the equivalent to saying Bill Gates' income is similar to ours.
User avatar #140 to #139 - rocksteady
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not even close
User avatar #141 to #140 - xxvampirepriestxx
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Quite the witty retort.
#143 to #141 - Bobtheblob
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User avatar #94 - arsenymous
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The American dream is dead folks, and those to blame are dead. We must not blame ourselves, but work towards a country where everyone who tries can prosper.
User avatar #102 to #94 - callan
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The American dream came true. That was the problem. Because it can only come true for so many people before others start to suffer for it.
#29 - felixjarl
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That would make the minimum wager higher than the Norwegian one. I highly doubt the truth of this.

Can any prove me wrong?
User avatar #41 to #29 - kanatana
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According to www.usinflationcalculator.com/, the value of $1.60 back then is roughly equal to $10.75 today.
#42 to #41 - felixjarl
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Thanks a lot mate.
Thanks a lot mate.
User avatar #43 to #42 - kanatana
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No problem, any time.
#11 - jaypaul
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