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User avatar #3 - majorcris (09/08/2013) [-]
>waiting six months for a heart transplant
User avatar #84 to #3 - imofcnotharveydent (09/08/2013) [-]
because a heart transplant where you've gotten enough debt to just go and off yourself is much better right?
User avatar #86 to #84 - majorcris (09/08/2013) [-]
>what is private insurance companies
User avatar #92 to #86 - imofcnotharveydent (09/08/2013) [-]
>Implying I need that when I have (at least very close too) free healthcare
>Implying regular people can afford that **** on a long term basis.
User avatar #94 to #92 - majorcris (09/08/2013) [-]
do you even economics
User avatar #95 to #94 - imofcnotharveydent (09/08/2013) [-]
I have no need to, since It's free as long as i contribute trough taxes
User avatar #99 to #95 - majorcris (09/08/2013) [-]
Well then it's not free, is it?
#6 to #3 - trollins (09/08/2013) [-]
Better than no heart transplant.
User avatar #72 to #6 - useroftheLOLZ (09/08/2013) [-]
Paying out of pocket for your heart transplant is better than Dying because you needed that heart transplant within a specific timeframe
User avatar #67 to #6 - hawaiianhappysauce (09/08/2013) [-]
That only concerns 25% of Americans. The rest of Americans who own private insurance and make middle class income can afford it. And here in america, if you are not making enough money to support yourself then it's your fault.
User avatar #71 to #67 - shakalakaboomboom (09/08/2013) [-]
"Only concerns 25%"??? Do you know how many people that is considering the size of the population in America
User avatar #74 to #71 - hawaiianhappysauce (09/08/2013) [-]
A huge chunk of them are illegal immigrants, about 4% of the population. Another 8% are people in poverty who have no insurance. The other 13% are people who can afford insurance, but cannot afford to pay the deductible (it is a heart transplant which is a large insurance claim and will probably have a high deductible). I would say another 25% of the countries population could afford the deductible but they would have to cut back on things to catch up on their debts (like mortgage payments, car payments, etc). The rest could pull it off and live comfortably still.
User avatar #81 to #74 - shakalakaboomboom (09/08/2013) [-]
I'm not asking for who they are or where they are from, but they are still human and deserve treatment
User avatar #90 to #81 - hawaiianhappysauce (09/08/2013) [-]
Heart transplants are not a cheap operation. Also, quite a few people go to the emergency room anyway and since it's illegal for hospitals to provide treatment they get operations anyway. So in america everyone is entitled to treatment, but when those people don't pay the bill is footed by everyone else through higher premiums.

The smartest system I've seen for healthcare is implemented in Massachusetts, where if you have private insurance then you don't go on the government plan. If you do have a government plan then you do not receive any tax returns. Here in Massachusetts basically every citizen has insurance.
User avatar #96 to #90 - shakalakaboomboom (09/08/2013) [-]
We are not talking about just one state though but an entire country and If 25% of the population can't afford health care in what is considered to be the most powerful country in the world then you have a problem
User avatar #98 to #96 - hawaiianhappysauce (09/08/2013) [-]
America is a capitalist country. If you work hard then you get get more out of life. Poor people don't work hard, illegal immigrants are breaking the law. I tried to be reasonable with you but you are obviously a liberal ******** and no matter how hard I try to explain why certain people cannot afford a ******* HEART TRANSPLANT, AN EXPENSIVE PROCEDURE, you will always respond with "but those poor poor people deserve help." Well you know what? Maybe those poor people shouldn't have taken dope in High School. Maybe they should have paid attention in school. Maybe they shouldn't have had unprotected sex at age 14. The ******* problem with this country is that no one is willing to take responsibility anymore, it's always someone else at fault. I spent my life working hard, doing well in school, overachieving, I don't see why MY taxpaying money should go to people who DON'T WORK, who AREN'T CITIZENS, or who DON'T work as hard as me.

Don't bother replying to me because I'm done listening to your ignorance.
User avatar #110 to #98 - makonendrak (09/09/2013) [-]
You're kind of a self-entitled prick, aren't you?
User avatar #109 to #98 - shakalakaboomboom (09/09/2013) [-]
Oh please you sound like you are from the 1920's, there are a huge amount of people who are born into poverty and never get a chance to prove themselves, others just get unlucky and could lose their money investing in the wrong brand and others may have mental issues and are not given the support needed the fact is you started your argument with "That only concerns 25% of Americans", here is a tip for you in the future never become a lawyer if that is how you are going to start your case because from then on you are trying to clime a 90 degrees slope
#24 to #6 - deliveryman (09/08/2013) [-]
well if he dies within the six months...
User avatar #89 to #24 - edlias (09/08/2013) [-]
Its also done based on priority. If you're going to die within six months without a new heart you will be higher priority than someone who can go a few years. My grandmas hip was so bad she got hip replacement surgery within two months compared to someone else I know who had to wait eight months.
#33 to #24 - yoshinufc (09/08/2013) [-]
Then he still would have without the heart transplant... genius
#34 to #33 - deliveryman (09/08/2013) [-]
What? if he's waiting for a heart transplant and he dies because it wasn't transplanted in time then the transplant should have been done sooner and it would have saved his life. The six month waiting time is ridiculous if you still get the same results as you would have without getting one at all.
#35 to #34 - yoshinufc (09/08/2013) [-]
He was arguing the merits of 6 months vs no transplant at all, so I said that the result is the same, unless he would not have died in the 6 months waiting
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