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User avatar #326 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
User avatar #353 to #326 - alstorp (08/28/2013) [-]
Medical marijuana is absolutely legal, and has always been.
#374 to #353 - angelusprimus (08/28/2013) [-]
No it is not, on federal level FBI has right to close down medical dispenseries at will. On federal level medical marihuana is illegal. Medical marihuana in USA is only legal in 21 states.
Below mason-dixon line not a single state has legal medical marihuana. Though South Carolina and Mississippi decriminalized it.
Decriminalization does not make it legal, just misdemeanor.
User avatar #349 to #326 - LtMcG ONLINE (08/28/2013) [-]
For medical benefits, yes. This still doesn't show why it should be legal for leisure.
#375 to #349 - angelusprimus (08/28/2013) [-]
Because alcohol and tabacco are legal. Both are stronger adictive substances with stronger bad health issues. Alcohol also has far more dangerous behaviour modification.
Either ban alcohol and tabacco or make marihuana legal.
User avatar #384 to #375 - LtMcG ONLINE (08/28/2013) [-]
That's the risk known and taken by those who participate in its activity. The same could be said about marijuana, however right now, alcohol and tobacco are much of the contributing factors as to why people are visiting the hospital, getting DUI's, ans suffering relationship problems and financial issues, etc. I've heard it all. Now we want to add marijuana to the equation?

I've heard it a thousand times. Marijuana has no real side effects other than making you obtain some level of intoxication. So I assume that sort of intoxication will expand the issues we see more on the DUI's and public relations. Often when I see marijuana users, they are a bothersome to the public and make a scene out of everything. I've seen some pass out in the middle of the street. Others stealing from super markets and some breaking down vending machines to obtain their munchies.

Yes those people do not represent all marijuana users because that would be a rather ignorant comment. But that is to say the same about alcohol and tobacco users. So please, don't compare the two when they are completely separate things.
#389 to #384 - angelusprimus (08/28/2013) [-]
I am comparing the two because they are exactly the same.

I am an adult, with all my faculties intact and if I want to use a low impact intoxicant like marihuana then I should be allowed to, if ANY low impact intoxicants are legal.

It comes down to right to chose. I am aware of risks, I am aware of consequences and I should have a right to accept those and legally take it.

If I am not, and other adults can legally take theirs low impact intoxicants that puts me at a position of inequality before the law. And I believe this country has been founded on principles of freedom, equality and personal choice.
User avatar #413 to #389 - LtMcG ONLINE (08/28/2013) [-]
Of course it is founded on personal choice, but for your benefits or for the benefits of the country? I am not trying to argue that marijuana is dangerous and should remain illegal forever. Nor am I trying to argue that those who choose to use marijuana are "low-lives" or "junkies" or whatever idioms you can think of.

The problem I mostly see with this is that the appropriate reasons for legalizing this has been about its medical uses. That sounds good to me, let's legalize it for those reasons much how we approve drugs for prescription use only.

However, to bring that case into about leisure, its just a waste of my time. There's a national debt, a growing federal government, bugs in my phones and emails, international conflict, a shrinking military, the list goes on.

Is that selfish? Absolutely. But so is most of our decisions as we should be prioritizing our efforts in this nation to better it, not to make it more intoxicated.
#445 to #413 - angelusprimus (08/28/2013) [-]
Sure, I can explain why legalization.

Same reasons why we abolished prohibition.
1: It is a major source of income to the criminal organizations. If they lost billions they make on marihuana they would become less of a threat to legitimate governments.
2: Its a minor offense that puts a lot of people in jail. If marihuana was legalized prison population would fall as much as 13% in some states (as little as 4% in others). That are again billions of dollars saved.
3: People who want it get it anyhow, and they get dangerous **** soaked in god knows what. So it will be safer if it was under same controls as tabbacco
4: new cash crop for small farmers. And a damned good one, since leaves are sold to smoke, seeds to oil industry or fish farms and stems to construction or paper industry. Farmers pay taxes so its a win for government.
5: Selling it like alcohol in special stores, under luxury tax, new source of income which means government can skin us less in other things.
6: Money not used to combat marihuana can be used to combat actual dangerous drugs like meth and heroine.
User avatar #351 to #349 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
wrote something which I think will answer this further down the thread
User avatar #354 to #351 - LtMcG ONLINE (08/28/2013) [-]
Then we should give everyone pain killer drugs simply because it dissolves all pain and frustration.

No that doesn't make any sense. Drugs are prescribed for a reason. Don't hide behind this "it will purify my body man" sort of excuse. The sole purpose of you wanting that drug is to get high. No one sits at a bar drinking a glass of whiskey commenting how great it is for their heart. The purpose of alcohol is for leisure and is recognized as that. When you start mixing its purposes, you lose track of why it should be used.

So either: 1. you need this marijuana drug for medical purposes 2. You want to get high.
User avatar #358 to #354 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
I'm not saying it a that kind of way, although i can see how that might come across, I'm talking about some really nasty side effects that some medications can give you (more or less any current cancer treatment).
Its true I personally would like to see it legalized so I can smoke it without problems but when it gets the point where it has been proven that a substance has no serious health problems for an individual or others around them and its then still illegal seems ridiculous to me when alcohol and cigarettes are legal.
The fact of the matter is that the "War on Drugs" has failed and only now puts money into criminals pockets, I believe that a lot of countries need to reevaluate where where they stand when it comes to drugs policy and prohibition is not the way.
User avatar #342 to #326 - syrenthra ONLINE (08/28/2013) [-]
Um no, it shows that the true medical variant that these guys made, low in the chemical that makes you high and high with high amounts of the helpful chemical should be fine to be used, not just ALL weed, **** that
User avatar #346 to #342 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
but the fact that even this strain of marijuana is illegal in so many place is stupid along with the hundred of other stains that have the potential to eradicate the horrible chemicals that we are required to pump into out bodies to apparently make us better. Its absurd that the whole time there has been an all natural substance that can cure cancer, help to counteract and fight Alzheimers and Parkinsons disease. I think any person who cannot see the extreme benefits, medically, to us is just blind.
User avatar #347 to #346 - syrenthra ONLINE (08/28/2013) [-]
yes medically, legalize it for use in hostpitals and for patients at home who have been cleared for it and REALLY need it, not stone fags
User avatar #348 to #347 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
but then why not legalize for "stone fags" too how will it hurt you if they choose to smoke cannabis.
Give a person a drink, they will act like a dick, make a fool of themselves, says things they dont mean, and do things they dont want to do and to top if off wake up the next day to a disgusting hangover... (personal experience)
Give a person a joint and they will laugh, eat and make friends and wake up the next day fresh and ready to go to work... anything (personal experience also)
User avatar #360 to #348 - manucow (08/28/2013) [-]
There are also people who drink that will laugh, eat, etc. and high people will also sometimes act like dicks, be a fool and so on.
Trust me, I have a friend that is okay when he's drunk, but give him some weed and he becomes the biggest dick ever.
Why don't you just admit that you don't give a **** about the medical stuff, and just want to get high.
You're just making yourself look silly giving all these arguments.
User avatar #364 to #360 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
I do like to get high, you're right, but dont think for a second that because of that I don't care about the people that it could be saving because I certainly do. After having 3 relatives die from cancer and to know that they could have had treatment that would have actually lessened the pain they were in. Just because I smoke pot does not mean I don't care, dumb **** .
User avatar #334 to #326 - yorker (08/28/2013) [-]
You aren't having daily seizures, are you?
User avatar #343 to #334 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
I fail to understand why you might think this
User avatar #344 to #343 - yorker (08/28/2013) [-]
Because it's extremely rare.
#330 to #326 - ajaxtheking (08/28/2013) [-]
to quote agent J in MIB a person is smart, people are cruel stupid creatures.
(not exact quote)
User avatar #341 to #330 - Benjerminge (08/28/2013) [-]
its sad and true
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