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The new Open Carry Law gees into effect in oklahoma today,
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#85 - bigbugziller (08/23/2013) [-]
id like to know which state doesnt allow old ******** to buy bread,
User avatar #81 - jiggerbits (08/23/2013) [-]
I think it's a good idea. I'd feel a lot safer walking around the US knowing who has a gun than who doesn't.
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#73 - zukabazuka (08/23/2013) [-]
Its kind of sad that USA seems to be the only country that will just go

"Look, we can't bother improving the police force so we are just going to give you the right to carry guns in the open, that way we don't have to spend that much money on the police force and we hope people respect this rule"

Only way for kids to feel safe is to see the father or mother having a gun on them in the open. USA, more guns isn't going to stop the problem you already have, its going to add more problems to your already big problem.

Anyone even suggesting with trying to defend them self when an army invade your country would actually need to look at the odds. its not going to be 1v1 for you, its going to be 1vs100 and the moment you bring out your gun is the moment you hit the floor.
But you don't think the USA would pick up an invading army across the ocean or by air?
#91 to #73 - drevv (08/23/2013) [-]
First off, the United States isn't that only country that has somewhat lenient laws on gun ownership. Switzerland has practically the same stance on weapons and it works for them.

Have you not seen the police force in the United States? They're practically militarized, so much funding goes into national defense and police departments.

I grew up in a family that didn't own a gun, but I always felt safe with my mom and day. I knew that I lived in a safe area with a very good police force, but also my community was filled with law-abiding citizens who owned guns.

Legally obtained guns are not the problem in America and if you think this is true, you're completely ignorant to a country that allows gun-ownership. Guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens have proven to lower crime rates, instead of add onto them as you suggest. Criminals are gonna be deterred from committing crimes if they have to worry that the person they're robbing is armed.

Criminals have ways to get weapons illegally and they do it everyday. You think just because you outlaw guns, the criminals are gonna magically turn in their illegal firearms or are gonna seize from committing crimes with firearms? You'd have to be insane to believe that.

We as citizens can't completely trust our Government to abide by what we say. We need those weapons to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government and that was why it was initially added to the Constitution. We need to protect ourselves from an oppressive regime and we can certainly do that with the current 300+ million guns in the hands of our citizens.

A foreign army or a terrorist regime has the potential of reaching the United States and carrying out an attack. But if I was an enemy of the United States, I would sure as hell be afraid of those millions of citizens with weapons defending their country.
User avatar #86 to #73 - ivoryhammer (08/23/2013) [-]
It's not an issue of our current people in power, it's the 2nd Amendment, which was written by people that were overthrowing an unjust government, and wanted to make sure the people had the power.
User avatar #71 - illusiveman (08/23/2013) [-]
America and their guns.
#88 to #71 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
Europe and their ignorance.
#93 to #88 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
America and their guns and ignorance.
User avatar #67 - srskate (08/23/2013) [-]
Talked to an old soldier one time. He was a wise man, and a smart man. I respect him greatly. One time he said to me something along the lines of "If you have a gun and a criminal has a gun, the criminal wins. It is hard to pull that trigger when you can end a life."
#95 to #67 - sgtxrootbeer (08/23/2013) [-]
Although most may not believe it, most people who own guns know that you have to know how to use said gun, unless you want to arm whoever is gonna mug/steal/etc you.

most people who own guns should know how to use them, and where to aim, you can shoot a person all you want, however if you know what your doing, you won't kill them.
User avatar #68 to #67 - Ruspanic ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
But if you have a gun and the criminal doesn't, you win.
You probably don't even have to pull the trigger.
User avatar #69 to #68 - RandomAnonGuy (08/23/2013) [-]
Except if everyone can have a gun, why wouldn't the criminal? Especially if people are blatantly carrying them around on their hips.
User avatar #76 to #69 - Ruspanic ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
Not all criminals can afford a gun, and not all criminals are ********* . It's cheaper and easier to rob unarmed people with a knife than to buy a gun and increase your risk of killing someone. Or if you're burglarizing a house, you do it at night or while the owners are away because you don't actually want a confrontation, much less one that ends in you killing someone.

Openly carrying a gun on your hip is like a "no mugging" sign that actually works.
#65 - yuukoku (08/23/2013) [-]
I'm in Texas. I think you can open carry around here.   
   
People can do it around me it won't piss me off. I've been around guns all my life. What I'm weirded out about is why you would show it in stead of try to hide it. The whole point to having it is the element of surprise. You don't want somebody to know that you have it. That leaves you vulnerable to theft or something.   
   
That sounds stupid, I know, but think about it: They know what they want to steal because you have it out. If someone wants your money, they would go for that and then you can use your gun; if someone wants your gun, they could grab that and then what do you do? Fight with him? That's risky. It's more dangerous to have it out than to conceal it.
I'm in Texas. I think you can open carry around here.

People can do it around me it won't piss me off. I've been around guns all my life. What I'm weirded out about is why you would show it in stead of try to hide it. The whole point to having it is the element of surprise. You don't want somebody to know that you have it. That leaves you vulnerable to theft or something.

That sounds stupid, I know, but think about it: They know what they want to steal because you have it out. If someone wants your money, they would go for that and then you can use your gun; if someone wants your gun, they could grab that and then what do you do? Fight with him? That's risky. It's more dangerous to have it out than to conceal it.
User avatar #89 to #65 - ivoryhammer (08/23/2013) [-]
I think you can in most states, but you need a permit for it.
#72 to #65 - fuckyallniggas (08/23/2013) [-]
What the hell kind of criminal tries to rob somebody for a GUN? I doubt this will be a real issue at all
User avatar #79 to #72 - yuukoku (08/23/2013) [-]
No, no. I'm saying that if you have the gun out, it's more of a target than your money. If he threatens you for your money and doesn't know that you have a gun, then you can pull the gun. If he grabs your gun, then you can't pull your gun. You have to struggle to get it away from him which is more dangerous.

And why not? What kind of criminal doesn't want a gun? Specifically a gun that isn't theirs! If you lose your gun and somebody else kills another person with is, it's more difficult to trace it back to the actual killer AND charges can be brought up against YOU for not being careful with your weapons.
#96 to #79 - sgtxrootbeer (08/23/2013) [-]
Here is an example,
cast: guys A, B, C.
A, to B "hey, you see guy C over there?"
B, to A, "yeah, i need some cash, think we should mug him?"
A, to B, "looks good, lets get a better look, at him and wait until we can corner him"
guy C *turns around*
B, to A, "whoah, he has a gun, a GUN"
A, to B "so?"
B, to A "he can shoot us, he can hurt us, even kill us! this guy is more dangerous then us, if we mugged him, we would literally bring a knife to a gun fight."
A, to B "well **** , lets go look for someone else."
User avatar #98 to #96 - yuukoku (08/23/2013) [-]
A hobo on drugs doesn't use logic.
#53 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
How is she a *******
#36 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
While i agree with allowing concealed carry, and for some, open carry, allowing open carry to everyone is pointless. If you need it for defense, you can get a concealed carry well you might say "but anon, if i need it, i can get it faster if its open carry" that's true but if someones robbing a place the guy they see with the gun is the first one shot. I carry a 1911 but not an open carry. It serves no purpose outside of scaring people (barring military/police use obviously)
User avatar #35 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
Problem with open carry is that its absolutely unsafe. I consider myself pretty open about guns. Sure, a mental health check should be part of the process of owning a gun, but I think any gun you want should be readily available, once its been proven you won't misuse it.
But an open carry law basically makes it easier for someone to steal a gun from you.
Its a lot easier to get someones gun from an outside-of-clothing holster than it is to get one out from underneath someones coat or shirt.
Policemen open carry because they are usually if not always aware of whats happening around them. Its simply impossible for every civilian with this permit to be constantly aware of whats happening around them. They have other distractions, like children, chores, or other things policemen don't have while on duty
#84 to #35 - landcucumber (08/23/2013) [-]
I really don't think this has ever happened. First who would try to grab a gun off of some stranger, who is paranoid enough to carry a gun with them everywhere in the first place. I'm sure there watching you. I could see maybe if they were a little ways away from the gun then maybe. but when they have it on them that's not going to work out for the thief. Second a mental health check is not going to work. Who is this person who is going to be doing these checks. If you go with medical records most cases of mental illness go undiagnosed. If you have to go get a note from a state psychologist, how are they determining if your sane? what if they decide anyone who wants a gun is insane for wanting one and therefore not qualified to own one. it's extreme but i'm just making a point.
Oh and the point of open carry is for we now you have a gun, because it is the gun you don't see that kills cops not the one you can.
#59 to #35 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
I've open carried for years and speak from experience when I say, "you're sadly mistaken".
#48 to #35 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
Not really, there's extremely few documented cases of someone open carrying and having their firearm actually stolen, because more often than not a criminal isn't going to try to rob someone who is openly armed.
User avatar #52 to #48 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
But its more plausible than it is on a concealed firearm.
#57 to #52 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
It might be more plausible but that doesn't make it "unsafe."
User avatar #37 to #35 - ronyx ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
BUT MUH FREEDUMS
#19 - sulfurhexafluoride (08/23/2013) [-]
I live in Oklahoma and honestly I haven't seen one person use this or even have open carry
User avatar #92 to #19 - trolocaust (08/23/2013) [-]
I also live in Oklahoma (Howdy) And I saw a man this week with the cowboy belt on. He was carrying a forty on his hip walking through the wal mart parking lot.

Regardless of how stereotypical that sentence was I had to mention it because of its striking relevance.
#16 - thismustbeseen (08/23/2013) [-]
Wow that is messed up. Arming everyone is the laziest, stupidest way to deal with crime.

What if I want to both feel safe and not have to go to the expense of buying a gun, getting the training or the obvious hassle of dragging a hunk of metal around everywhere with me?

I would not feel safe even then... wouldn't the thug also have those advantages? How is all this better than just running away?
#87 to #16 - spetsnazvymple (08/23/2013) [-]
i have yet to meet a man that can out run a bullet
User avatar #80 to #16 - jiggerbits (08/23/2013) [-]
No one is forcing you to own a gun. Even Bill Mahr says "I'll give up my guns when everyone else does."
#66 to #16 - thismustbeseen (08/23/2013) [-]
I've shot a gun many times and I would not trust anyone with one.

It's too much power for the average ignorant citizen. But hey, maybe in all situations where you get to use one it's obvious... thug is a black guy with a knife, decision clear cut, no objections, everything legal, you're the hero.

I go back to convenience. I'm a non-violent competent person, I think society owes me the right to be and feel safe without having to buy, train with and lug around a gun at all times. Wtf do I pay taxes for?

Go one way and you don't need guns, go the other and you don't need police. Pick one.

... and good luck defending yourselves against your government or for that matter anyone else as trained and armed as you... which seems to be most of you... and then good luck living a stress-free life.

IDGAF about reds, I know who I'm talking
User avatar #70 to #66 - MKZeke (08/23/2013) [-]
That is quite possibly the dumbest argument I've seen for a while. We have police, therefore we do not need guns? I have an honest question to ask you: Do you have a policeman on standby with you at all times? That would be beyond convenient if you ask me. However, considering this is more than likely not the case, your point is invalid. Police are not there for you at all times, and even if they are, it is not their job to defend you. Their job is to uphold the law. It is up to you and you alone to defend yourself, if need be. So no, its not as you say it is. You can have guns and police at the same time. You can go on your merry way without a gun and feel as safe as you want and so will the man or woman you pass in the streets who is carrying a firearm.

Secondly, what was with the random jab near the end there? Of course the American people will defend ourselves against the government if the need comes. Its what the bloody country was founded on. If a tyrannical government took over, the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if the country just laid down and accepted it. Read the Constitution and a history book some time and you'd know that.
#99 to #70 - thismustbeseen (08/23/2013) [-]
That is the dumbest counterargument so far. I do in fact live somewhere were 911 responds in 3 minutes flat, but more importantly there is almost no crime to speak of to begin with. No, it's not in the US. When the 5th random armed citizen joins the fire fight, how does he know who to shoot at? It's just becomes an escalating bloody mess.

I would trust my own police, I would not trust yours. "To serve and protect" That is their purpose, and they are paid well for it.

The jab at the end? It seems it was justified since fighting back against your gov. is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. They would squish you like an ant gun or no gun, regardless of numbers.

There exists no trust at any level in your system. No one to rely on, no one to protect you from just about everyone else. The result? 10,000+ dead per year, the 2nd highest ****** rate of any developed country. Oh but you get to have your guns, I guess that's more fun, and of course way easier than fixing the system.
#83 to #70 - landcucumber (08/23/2013) [-]
I'm glad you got to this guy first I wasn't going to be as nice as you . He says he trust no one with a gun, but puts his full faith in the police to protect him. I face palmed hard on that.
#32 to #16 - LocoJoe (08/23/2013) [-]
"running away"

What are you? French?

There's only one way to deal with Tyrone and his homies when they want to culturally enrich you.
#29 to #16 - gassnake (08/23/2013) [-]
You have the right to run and not defend yourself, but i prefer to face my attacker and defend myself and others in the face of danger
User avatar #30 to #29 - falloutplayer (08/23/2013) [-]
Ill 360 no sausage you
#31 to #30 - gassnake (08/23/2013) [-]
I only use assault franks so i'll have more rounds
#28 to #16 - victorianfancyman (08/23/2013) [-]
Next time a guy strolls into a theater with an assault rifle, you try that, ok?
User avatar #18 to #16 - dikslapping (08/23/2013) [-]
bullets run faster
User avatar #14 - priestoftheoldones (08/23/2013) [-]
That's the 4th time I've seen this, one repost is good if it's funny, but four times? Come on.
User avatar #9 - leagueoflawl (08/22/2013) [-]
Honestly, a large part of me wants gun ownership to be illegal.
Why? Because I know people abuse it. If someone has a gun, they're that much more likely to shoot someone out of anger or road rage or whatever. That scares me, and I don't want more death than we already have.
At the same time, even if guns WERE illegal, the people who abuse them the most in the first place (gangs, criminals, whatever) would still be abusing them and everyone else would be left unarmed and unable to defend themselves.

I can't decide which is the better option, but I'm leaning towards the second one.
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User avatar #33 to #9 - LocoJoe (08/23/2013) [-]
"Why? Because I know people abuse it. If someone has a gun, they're that much more likely to shoot someone out of anger or road rage or whatever. That scares me, and I don't want more death than we already have. "

I remember when people said that **** before Texas had concealed carry. Look how many concealed carriers have done any crime at all! So many!

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User avatar #34 to #33 - leagueoflawl (08/23/2013) [-]
This site. This site is full of so. many. retards.
It's a comment expressing two things: My opinion, then what I think is the more logical thing to do.
Nobody is ******* reading that second part.
NOBODY.
I said it's my fear. Fear isn't meant to be rational. Grown men are scared of god damned spiders. Guess what? Common, every-day house spiders don't. ******* . kill. grown. men.
I don't care how many facts you throw at me, I'm still going to be scared something like that will happen. Because that's what fear is.
Now seriously, either learn to read or **** off. Also, there's literally no need to be douches over a ******* opinion, ESPECIALLY when the person concedes that they're probably wrong.
Grow up.
#43 to #34 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
Relax, Bro!
Guns aren't for everyone and that's cool.
I've open carried daily for years and all the myths you've heard or visualized have never once come to pass. That's my personal choice and I take total responsibility for it.
Just try not to project your fears onto the rest of us and decide our needs and/or try to take away our choice, that's all. Whatever you choose for yourself is totally fine with me.
Peace...
#17 to #9 - rememorable (08/23/2013) [-]
Reasons why gun ownership should just be left alone

1. There are people in this country that rely on the guns they have to hunt animals for food and pelts so they can live. If we take away their guns they can use alternative hunting methods sure, but do you think they will be able to access those methods and then find out how to use them as efficiently as possible then start hunting again before they start to starve?

2. In a scenario where someone or something's life just needs to be ended how will we end it. Will the police and army be the only people to have guns to protect themselves while we civilians will only have knives, stun guns, etc. This puts the civilians in greater risk of being targeted by criminals or other hostilities, and if in a scenario where the people must take up arms to defend themselves from say, a corrupt government, or a foreign invasion, how will we properly arm ourselves?

3. Banning guns just encourages people to illegally obtain them and will in the end result in a major criminal enterprise increasing America's crime rate significantly because people aren't just going to give up on guns at the whim of the government.

4. What of the guns that people already own, how will we dispose of them, we can't just throw them in the trash because people will just come by and pick them right out to sell them illegally (Refer to #3) And if we have to hand them in to government will we be compensated for the fact we had to pay a lot of money to obtain, service, and use out gun, not to mention firearm licenses etc. etc.

5. Being afraid of guns is like being afraid of sharks or the flu, nothing bad will happen if you just have the know how. Although it is true that you are more likely to be killed by the flu than a gun, and far, far, far, more likely to be killed by a PERSON with a gun than a shark, the threat is still pretty much the same for all three. Take some precautions and make sure they are good ones and then just forget about it...
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#22 to #20 - rememorable (08/23/2013) [-]
1. "do you think they will be able to access those methods and then find out how to use them as efficiently" And if they don't have a bow or don't know how to use one? And when did misfiring bows come into play. You sure as heck can misfire a bow, if you are seriously unlucky or stupid.

2.When did I mention peashooters at all?

3.We are americans, we will always fight for what we believe in. The government has banned numerous recreation drugs, set many restrictions on others, tried to ban alcohol, tried to stop underage drinking, smoking, sex, etc etc. And guess what, those laws are still never followed.

4. Yes quite indubitably my good sir. I have payed many thousands dollars to obtain my right to bear arms, to obtain those arms, service those arms, and use those arms, I better get some money. Even if it is only a little.

5. This statement was supposed to say "Put laws in place that restrict who can have guns. Crazies can't have guns, major criminals can't have them, etc. etc." The rest of your response to this statement is above and beyond me in the fact that it is not written in an educated manner.

And if you wish to reply to someones opinions you state yours in a CALM and SENSITIVE manner. Making sure your aren't ARGUING but are instead DEBATING, exchanging relevant pieces of data with your debatee and making accurate comparisons. If you reply to this post make sure it is written in an educated manner.

Also it doesn't hurt to hit the enter key once in a while when making a numbered list.

Good Night, see you in the morning......
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#10 to #9 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
More people die from cars, swimming pools and Doctors than from guns, but I don't see you or anyone advocating that we make them illegal.
Remember, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns and an armed society is a polite society.
User avatar #11 to #10 - leagueoflawl (08/22/2013) [-]
uhm, what you said was the second half of my post :/

also, those things you mention are called ACCIDENTS. comparing homicidal deaths to accidental deaths is a really stupid argument.
#12 to #11 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
No, it's not stupid.
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#3 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
Why should anyone feel the need to show everyone they have their gun with them?
#49 to #3 - anonymous (08/23/2013) [-]
So people who would normally try to prey on women or the elderly or those they believe to be weak they may think twice if they see a gun on that persons hip. Even if the other person has a gun no one wants to run the risk of getting shot
User avatar #8 to #3 - leagueoflawl (08/22/2013) [-]
First of all, she isn't "showing everyone" she has a gun. She has it in an easily accessible but safe place, on her hip. Where would you have her put it? If it's left in her car, it defeats 50% of the reason to own a gun.
Also, uggers tend to go for the weaker people first, aka women and old people. By having a gun on her, it's MUCH less likely anyone's gonna try and rob her, and if they do she has defense.
User avatar #21 to #8 - monkeysniper (08/23/2013) [-]
Concealed still just seems smarter, say someone planned or robbing her, they could easily see the gun and try to take it without her even noticing, i agree with the point you're making though
#82 to #21 - landcucumber (08/23/2013) [-]
Usually when one has a gun on them they are usually aware of others around them. Second in most states it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon unless you have a special permit. In my state however it isn't. Anyone can carry a concealed weapon. So a lot of people carry their guns on them. Especially if you’re going up into the mountains where there are bear, mountain lions, wolves, moose, and wolverine, and the nearest town or people is a 3 day walk or more. Oh this is Wyoming. Yes people it is a state.
#77 to #21 - infinitesinz (08/23/2013) [-]
With a police holster it's more secure, there's several things you have to press or pull to get the gun out of the holster, without knowing those steps, you can tug all you want and it won't budge.
User avatar #23 to #21 - leagueoflawl (08/23/2013) [-]
I haven't seen a gun harness personally, but I'd assume there's a latch or something to keep the gun inside of it in case of that or kids
User avatar #24 to #23 - monkeysniper (08/23/2013) [-]
Usually yes, but even so, it's better to keep it hidden in case someone still tries to take it, and say you walk into an alley and get mugged, they shouldn't have to see your gun and you shouldn't have to threaten them, the only thing they should hear is the sound of your safety switching off
User avatar #25 to #24 - leagueoflawl (08/23/2013) [-]
i'll have to take your word for it i've never been in an ally, or mugged, or near a gun. i always just assumed keeping it visible would be better to deter them in the first place. thanks for your input!
User avatar #26 to #25 - monkeysniper (08/23/2013) [-]
No problem, and even if you don't own a gun you should become familiar with them in case you are threatened, like for example if you are mugged and someone draws a gun on you, and they completely forgot to turn off the safety, your a little better off as an activiated safety won't allow someone to fire.
User avatar #13 to #8 - robotvoice (08/23/2013) [-]
them damn uggers, attacking women and old people.
#6 to #3 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
In my opinion it's to discourage people from robbing, mugging, whatever, in the first place.
User avatar #94 to #6 - didactus (08/23/2013) [-]
That's counterproductive considering if she shows her gun, she would be the first target to neutralize in the store for the robbers.
#5 to #3 - Uranium (08/22/2013) [-]
Open carrying doesn't require a license, concealed carry does thats why.
#7 to #5 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
Depends on the state. In my state, open carry doesn't require a license, but the moment you step into a car or on a bus, you're now concealed and need a license.
#4 to #3 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
Open carry is not about showing off, at least not for the 99% that do. Concealed carry is also not for everyone who chooses to carry. Clearing your clothing and drawing from concealment is not as easy as it sounds, which is why police don't carry concealed.
A gun is just a tool and it's silly to assign magical powers to it.
#2 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
This was just posted last week. Come on, OP...
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