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#181 - weenieandthebutt (08/19/2013) [-]
OP here. I just want to point out that a lot of the comments I read are "this is not feminism, this is human rights. We don't need the former, we need the latter HUURR DUURRR". Feminism is still a part of civil rights and although everyone has it tough in the Middle East, I can assure you that as a person of Middle Eastern backgrounds myself, women have it MUCH WORSE! Though it may often focus on the female problems at hand, feminism is a noble cause that advocates equal rights and opportunities for both genders. So yeah, it's still needed, even in Western Cultures to an extent but mainly for the extreme cases such as rape culture and abortion so please don't try to undermine the importance and seriousness of feminism.

The branches of feminism which we hate are the fat lesbian, men hating feminazis and the general self-absorbed teenage sluts who adopt the name for their own selfish needs (see my rant www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4743985/Give+this+woman+a+cookie/17#17)
User avatar #215 to #181 - whyfalsewhy (08/19/2013) [-]
Feminism did a lot for human rights back in the day and it had it's place and if i was around back then i hope that i would have been a supporter of them, the problem arises now that feminism is a problem women under the guise or feminism are ruining everything with this we need special treatment attitude.

We need to look at the past and learn from our mistakes and we are in a great place to do so, because of what feminism was we now can look at things from a genderless perspective, if we approach this from a humanist point of view we don't get the negative problems / annoyances that we have now, and feminism can go back in history as something good rather than this corrupt image that modern "feminists" have created.
#188 to #181 - teranin ONLINE (08/19/2013) [-]
weenie... we've had this conversation before. I thought I had explained the difference between feminism, and egalitarianism. I thought I had shown you some pretty apt evidence of what feminism actually DOES in the western world.

Do we really have to do this dance again?
#195 to #188 - weenieandthebutt (08/19/2013) [-]
Teranin, can't remember if I've had a direct conversation with you but I've often been a huge fan of your posts and comments. I still feel that a lot of aspects of feminism imposes a lot of negative (or even backfiring) implications but there are some women do have problems (and men as well). In regards to your picture, I think the slutwalk is 						*******					 stupid, an absolute joke and I even feel slightly offended that it instigates that all males such as myself are potential blood thirsty rapists. Putting that aside, what's your stance of victim blaming where some women are made to feel like 'sluts' when they fall victim to it (eventhough most cases are inevitable regardless of dress and level of attractiveness)?
Teranin, can't remember if I've had a direct conversation with you but I've often been a huge fan of your posts and comments. I still feel that a lot of aspects of feminism imposes a lot of negative (or even backfiring) implications but there are some women do have problems (and men as well). In regards to your picture, I think the slutwalk is ******* stupid, an absolute joke and I even feel slightly offended that it instigates that all males such as myself are potential blood thirsty rapists. Putting that aside, what's your stance of victim blaming where some women are made to feel like 'sluts' when they fall victim to it (eventhough most cases are inevitable regardless of dress and level of attractiveness)?
#198 to #195 - teranin ONLINE (08/19/2013) [-]
you know what? I misunderstood part of your statements, too. I feel like this is what happened last time, we just have slightly different takes on essentially the same position.

Here's my issue with victim blaming. When your car is stolen, do people say "teach people not to steal" or do they tell you to lock your doors next time and not park in a dangerous area? When you get mugged, do people say "teach people not to mug" or do they tell you not to walk around alone at night in alleyways?

Rape is the only crime in which telling people to protect themselves is somehow wrong, and instead a marxist movement against all men is somehow the right way to go even though 1.27 million men were raped (by the dictionary definition) last year by women in the USA. I don't like the idea of blaming a victim for a crime committed against them, but remind them of common sense isn't that as far as I'm concerned and that's where feminism has gone too far in trying to excuse their imposition of misandry on the general public.
#206 to #198 - weenieandthebutt (08/19/2013) [-]
I'd been called a "victim blamer" by narrow-minded feminists before just because I stated that we don't live in a Utopian world and that women should take a bit more caution. When will people ever understand that telling women to be more careful doesn't translate into stating that it's their fault and that they deserved it. Rape is not an act of discrimination, it's a sociopathic crime just like any other so a political movement to try and 'teach men' is rather redundant. I can never understand how they seem to bypass that sort of logic.   
   
Whenever I've been approached, mugged or attacked on the way to school and back home, my overprotective mum would often enforce me to take precautions for my own actions. I had to take my school tie off on the bus, I had to sometimes change my routes to school, I couldn't hang around past a certain time etc. It sucked but I had to deal with it.  From a victim blaming point of view, I can understand how rape is mainly about power but I still can't help that a woman's attire of clothing can still play a part to an extent. Not because it's sexy but mainly because it's easier for the rapists to strip off. I don't think walking in a dark alleyway, in your high heels, your miniskirt whilst in an intoxicated state will ever be the smartest of ideas. We don't live in a world where we can just do whatever the 						****					 we like.   
   
The sad thing about the slutwalk is now stupid young women have adopted to the cause for selfish reasons other than rape. That includes sexual double standards where women shouldn't be called slut for having many sexual partners, not being judged on promiscuous clothing (even in a public setting with children present) or falsely claiming rape when you have regrettable drunken sex with a stranger despite there being mutual consent between the two parties during that given moment.
I'd been called a "victim blamer" by narrow-minded feminists before just because I stated that we don't live in a Utopian world and that women should take a bit more caution. When will people ever understand that telling women to be more careful doesn't translate into stating that it's their fault and that they deserved it. Rape is not an act of discrimination, it's a sociopathic crime just like any other so a political movement to try and 'teach men' is rather redundant. I can never understand how they seem to bypass that sort of logic.

Whenever I've been approached, mugged or attacked on the way to school and back home, my overprotective mum would often enforce me to take precautions for my own actions. I had to take my school tie off on the bus, I had to sometimes change my routes to school, I couldn't hang around past a certain time etc. It sucked but I had to deal with it. From a victim blaming point of view, I can understand how rape is mainly about power but I still can't help that a woman's attire of clothing can still play a part to an extent. Not because it's sexy but mainly because it's easier for the rapists to strip off. I don't think walking in a dark alleyway, in your high heels, your miniskirt whilst in an intoxicated state will ever be the smartest of ideas. We don't live in a world where we can just do whatever the **** we like.

The sad thing about the slutwalk is now stupid young women have adopted to the cause for selfish reasons other than rape. That includes sexual double standards where women shouldn't be called slut for having many sexual partners, not being judged on promiscuous clothing (even in a public setting with children present) or falsely claiming rape when you have regrettable drunken sex with a stranger despite there being mutual consent between the two parties during that given moment.
#208 to #206 - teranin ONLINE (08/19/2013) [-]
Pretty much that, yeah
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