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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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Religion isn't always good, it isn't always bad. The reality is it is a belief system without supporting evidence and has some controversial and down right hateful points. It also has some great proverbs that speak to human decency and caring for everyone, regardless of their walk of life. Quit your stupid ******* generalizing ********. Religion has been a key role in genocides and it has been a key role in stopping them at times. It however, isn't necessary for either to happen.
User avatar #39 to #33 - mattdoggy
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religion in it's purest form is a good thing. When an idiot gets ahold of it though they can change it to fit whatever they want it to say. Every major religion preaches love and tolerance to the point of death, idiots like WBC and Jihadists twist it to a book of hate and prejudice to support their opinions. Like everything else in life you have to look at it how it is used.
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Now you seem to confuse faith with religion and church. The church breeds hatred to something that theyre against and uses the same book that they preach "Love" and "tollerance" with to justify hatred for people or things they do not agree with, best example i can think of is WB baptist church. They take it to the max but imagine thats how all churchs use to be like back in the day when the church dictated laws.
User avatar #118 to #61 - mattdoggy
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It's true the church sucks, i've never seen one that was on the right track. From the very first church to the most recent ones they've all been wrong. The New Testament is filled with how messed up churches are, and what not to do in future churches
Spoiler Alert
new churches still continue to screw up
User avatar #192 to #118 - mornanddusk
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'i've never seen one that was on the right track'


Don't you see that's where religion falls down completely? If the person in charge of a church, or any religious group says some you agree with- then you think they're on the right track. if they speak/act in a fashion that you don't - they are on the wrong track.

Except none of that makes any sense when religion claims to know the absolute truth. If religion was true (any of them) they should, by definition be perfect and it should be impossible to go on the wrong track - just that this entirely possible (and does happen) with every religion.

now a typical response to this would be that 'that's because of humans' - well there you go! humans made religion to fit there beliefs - not one attributed to the divine, otherwise, like i said, it would be impossible for religion to steer off to 'the wrong path'
User avatar #208 to #192 - mattdoggy
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Anything good in life is something you have to fight for.
We didn't make religion an easy thing to fit our beliefs to make us happy and secure in our ways. If we did Christianity wouldn't exist and we'd have the fornicate 24/7 and kill anyone who makes you angry religion.
Also relgion by definition is made specifically for those who steer off path. Jesus specifically bypasses the good people to go hang out with the drunks, prostitutes, and thieves, etc.
And as far as "off the path" goes, the core belief of most religions is love. Love God in Christianity and you are good, all the "rules" are just there for man to keep that love pure and keep man from hurting himself.
User avatar #211 to #208 - mornanddusk
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'Anything good in life is something you have to fight for.' - i agree with you there; the problem comes when different people define 'good' differently.

'We didn't make religion an easy thing to fit our beliefs' - u've kinda just conceded that religions was created by man to control (for right or wrong is not relevant)

yep christianity wouldn't exist

'we'd have the fornicate 24/7 and kill anyone who makes you angry religion.' that's not true - and that's a very low and narrow opinion of human behaviour (that's actually the same thing Hobbes, a philosopher, said we'd be like if we didn't give in to an absolute power - namely an absolute monarchy which is what you're proposing we do just replacing the monarchy with 'god').

while it is true that some humans are 'bad' - that doesn't mean we all are completely bad. That's a simplistic black and white view - people are always in the grey. The large majority of people recognise that not killing/raping each other is better for us, mutually because we aren't harming each other - therefore it's a win win situation.
Also, people recognise that that their actions affect themselves, others, and by extension - their actions can provoke actions from somebody else.

So to say that's what we'd be like is very unfair. Mankind's state of nature is far more complex than just the simple 'kill, survive, sex. command. Yes it's in us, but that's not all that's there - in fact there are far more positive things. (Btw you saying that would be what we're like without religion goes against the 'God made us pure' argument).

And If there weren't these other things in us- how would you even recognise that religion has some good values in the first place?
User avatar #212 to #211 - mornanddusk
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'Also relgion by definition is made specifically for those who steer off path.'
Is that to say that if i'm a 'good' person i don't need religion? you see it's not making sense. Yes, religion is supposed to bring people on to the good path, but then why does it lead people to the wrong one as well? Crusades anyone?

Why does religion that demands it stay fixed get to decide what people are likely for all time? I mean even the bible doesn't have as much relevance now, as it did at it's inception.

'And as far as "off the path" goes, the core belief of most religions is love. Love God in Christianity and you are good, all the "rules" are just there for man to keep that love pure and keep man from hurting himself.'

-that's entirely up to opinion - because love is different to different people - and you can't claim that 'love' (an abstract idea) is only pure under your religion (again, because it's entirely subjective).

'keep man from hurting himself' - Yet the religion commonly is against euthanasia - which is to prevent pain. Also, if god really did want us not to hurt ourselves - why give us the ability for pain in the first place? and before you even say 'so that we aren't ignorant of it/ so that we know the opposite' - again, God is guaranteeing both to happen.

Apparently God isn't very fitting for the 'perfect' title he supposedly holds....

Better yet why create us in the first place? If it's for us to worship him - what kind of low self esteemed god do we have?! OO if he's so perfect why is he bothered by so many small things - like whether or not i masturbate

To me he sounds incredibly human - and not so high and mighty religion portrays him as.

why does he have a human level of understanding? espeacially considering he's supposed to be so far beyond us ¬
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Even better - why does he expect us to understand what he wants us to do yet create us so far below him? thats very unfair coming from something thats supposed to be the best judge in existence.
#79 to #15 - anon id: c6d88705
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I have decided to not go to hell because there is none, how are you gonna solve this?
#59 to #15 - harleyzone
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...crusades....
#60 to #59 - harleyzone
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...and most of the dark ages...and renaissance...Savonarola...etc....
User avatar #42 to #15 - magicmace
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Belief in Batman changes people for the better.
If everybody believed Batman was real, nobody would commit crimes.

Simple as that. Batman > Jesus
#47 to #42 - AnonymousDonor
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you're math is off

batman = jesus

there fixed
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oh ****.... *your
User avatar #17 to #15 - popeflatus
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You could figure out that the bible is a compilation of bronze/stone age fairytales if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and did some real research.
#104 to #17 - ddylann
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what did he say
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User avatar #23 to #19 - popeflatus
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"Apply christianity to it"? like what? Rich people not going to heaven? Denying your family to follow jesus? Believing in ridiculous nonsense with out any proof at all? please....do. some. research!
User avatar #44 to #23 - mattdoggy
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It seems like you are coming at Christianity and Religion in general with a loaded opinion already and a list of "here is why Christianity is dumb" forged by some internet guy who half looked at the bible. Odds are friend you didn't do more than 5 minutes of research if any at all.
Your two points of scripture taken out of context are a prime example of little research and a biased opinion ruining a definite objectivity.
Matthew 19:24 says that it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to go to heaven. That's not saying rich people aren't allowed in heaven, it is saying that people with all their needs met often don't focus on their relationship with God as they should. Who needs some magic imaginary guy in the sky if i got all i need here and now. There are ample cases of well of people in the bible going to heaven who had wealth.
For the denying the family and following Jesus, maybe you are referring to the disciples leaving or some of the scripture where he says "deny yourself and follow me". There he is not saying "get rid of everything and chase after me". He is saying i must come first in your life before all others. This is backed up by later texts stating the importance of family and how it is good to have one.
As far as research goes there's a lot you could look into there too. It is a little known fact that the life and times of Jesus was found recorded in many first hand accounts from public officials, letters from roman soldiers, old school tabloids and gossip rags, and many other sources. From evidence alone we have more proof that Jesus exists than the Roman emperor did at the time.
It is good to question the word in the bible and question the messages behind it though, it is good to have some faith, but it is wise to do research instead of accepting it blindly
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i must have spent at least a couple of hours just trying to figure out the lake of fire and that i figure is more than 5 minutes
User avatar #115 to #80 - mattdoggy
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the common misconception with the lake of fire is God sends people there. The truth is we are born to go there. We are born with sin from our own actions and our fathers actions and so on and so forth. God offers us a ticket out of that, out of the hands of the enemy and the only thing he wants in return is love.
In truth the lake of fire thing isn't hell, separation from God is Hell.
User avatar #193 to #115 - mornanddusk
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In other words, God created a problem, punishes people for it, but says he offered the solution as well. So if people go to hell/are punished it's their own fault - despite it being within his power to have changed all of that in the first place..

yep Really sounds like a moral and loving god.... (sarcasm)

Definitely can't expect religion to makes sense....
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God makes man pure
Man screws himself up by his own hand
(he had the power to stop it)
he told us what not to do, but left the choice up to us, because all he wants from us is love, and without choice it couldn't be love.
Man is full of sin now
Man is unclean enough to be around God
God gives us rules and rituals on how to be clean so we can be with him
Gives us Jesus as a final payment so we can all be clean, all we have to do is ask



User avatar #210 to #209 - mornanddusk
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God made man pure? so then how the heck did sinning becoming a thing? if God did make us pure - then it should be impossible to change that. Therefore God (in the religious sense) made us WITH the capacity for sin.Therefore sin is primarily his fault.

'Man screws himself up by his own hand' - then what the hell is 'God's will' ?

God could've stopped us from sinning altogether, but actively chose not You can't blame man entirely for that. that's the same as a parent complaining when their child misbehaves when they actively allowed it to happen.

If ALL he wanted us to do is love - then he'd make that our only function - but apparently he didn't. and btw love is something humans defined so using the argument - that without choice 'it wouldn't be love' is asinine - because it means the opposite HAS TO happen as well - which means god has guaranteed hatred to happen as well. doesn't sound like god truly only wanted us to love....

Also regarding sin - if he doesn't want us to sin, why the hell (excuse the pun) did he create the devil -the epitome of sin?!
that just means god brought evil into existence = in which case, he isn't perfect and/or he isn't moral.

'God gives us rules and rituals on how to be clean...'
'he told us what not to do'
All religions claim that -
It's like god decided to teach everyone different things (all the different religions) and then decided to give us all the same test (of life). God doesn't seem very fair in his judgement.

and it's not like we can't figure it out ourselves.. i mean god made us with intelligence right? why would he give us that and then expect us passively follow rules?

and how are we to conclusively know what lessons he truly wants us to learn? people in the same faiths don't even seem to agree - catholics don't agree with protestants - sunni's don't agree with shia's - orthodox jews don't agree with moderates etc...
#53 to #19 - jamiemsm
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there is a alot of things that make sense if you apply JUSTICE to it!!!!
#8 - davidteninch
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Hahaha, religious people are dumb for having a faith.
User avatar #10 to #8 - tkfourtwoone
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No, they are dumb for being ******* hypocrites.

Not all of them, of course.
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Well technically, yeah.
#1 - schnizel
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I've got something too.
#4 to #1 - anon id: cd8073d6
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Ok, now I really like you!And yes I'm the same anon.
#43 to #1 - herbolifee
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That was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on the internet. Even though it's most likely intended to be, I still raged.
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Good.
#37 to #1 - responsibletim
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oy vey
#6 to #1 - crazyolitis
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Well, on the upside it isn't one of the other 3 things you've been posting all the time lately.
#9 to #1 - mayormilkman
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Too many comments are getting stickied these days just so they can get thumbed down.

lol @ the final panel
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Yeah, it happened to me too. I lost like, 140 thumbs on it. I thought it would be a good addition, but you give funnyjunk just the tiniest bit of power and the first thing they do is abuse it.
User avatar #11 - zarcos
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Atheists are the only ones who make fun of people for worshipping made up things.
User avatar #18 to #11 - popeflatus
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And so they should :3
User avatar #21 to #18 - zarcos
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No they shouldn't. If people want to believe in something let them.
#38 to #21 - andthenilold
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They have every right to believe in what they want to believe. That doesn't mean we should censor jokes made about religion.
If I decide to believe that the sun came from an orange rolling down the street and eventually flying up in the sky, people can make jokes about it because it's very stupid to believe in our modern society. I still however have every right to believe in it. It's freedom of speech.
User avatar #189 to #38 - zarcos
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Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should.
User avatar #31 to #21 - cheesymondo
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who's stopping them? if they don't want to be ridiculed they shouldn't hold such ridiculous beliefs.
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User avatar #82 to #72 - alexusapi
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you're born gay, you're not born a particular religion.
User avatar #190 to #82 - zarcos
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You aren't born gay nor are you born straight.
User avatar #202 to #190 - alexusapi
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well you aren't really born with any brain capacity, but the underlying DNA that will control your sexuality in the future is still in you, even though it serves no purpose when you're just an infant. if sexuality was 100% environmental factors than why the **** are so many animals homosexual? there isn't just this one gene that actually controls sexuality, it might be written in DNA that would otherwise control loving your parents or something.
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User avatar #117 to #89 - alexusapi
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depends on what you are suppose to tolerate. tolerating prejudice and downgrading opinion towards homosexuality and women is not something i want to just tolerate. i want to vocalize my opinion that things religion brings with their scriptures is holding back evolution of our civilization as a whole, at least some countries are realizing this, countries like Sweden, Denmark and Japan to name a few have a majority population of agnostic/atheists. countries who are what most religious people also have the highest intolerance for homosexuality and womens rights, countries like Afghanistan,Iraq and Jordan. Atheists don't have a set of beliefs, so saying an atheist shoves his beliefs down your throat is basically meaningless, just like i shove my non-collecting stamp hobby down peoples throats.
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Yeah i agree with you there, i think the only battle atheists(not all atheists obviously) fight are against organized religion, fighting against the notion that a god exists is merely a philosophical argument, most atheists including myself trust the scientific theory for our understanding of the universe, and since god can't be proven to exist through evidence there is absolutely no motive for actually believing he is real, and from that the pastafarianism movement started, the existence of the flying spaghetti monster has as much a scientific ground as the notion of a god and a personal god for that matter. The burden of proof lies with the one that claims a truth, a truth that god exists.
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yeah, but why? do you believe in god but still think he doesn't exist? aren't you really just believing in moral codes because they sound good to you? you can follow the ten commandments without religion, our society has developed past the point were religion is needed to understand our universe and our beginning .
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User avatar #147 to #145 - alexusapi
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yes, and most atheists love their fellow man, you don't need religion to be a good person.
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User avatar #146 to #144 - alexusapi
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ok and which god do you believe is the "real" one?
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i'm not here to force you to change your mind or anything, i just want to leave you with this thought. you don't have any solid reason to believe what you believe, it sounds to me that you just want to be a good person and think that religion is somehow a prerequisite for that, which is just not true, i give a lot to charity, I've worked with kids who have been bullied, i live with my grand parents at the moment because my grandmother is fighting cancer. i consider myself a good person and i always fight for what is right, and the things that are going on in the middle east and even some parts of the united states i think are immoral and wrong, and their fuel is religion.
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that's good i have no beef with people like you. and it would greatly benefit our world if all people had the same religion as you, but they don't, there is bad religion, and that is my focus. in a perfect world there would be no religion, everybody would be nice to each other, there would be no war and all the money that would go to military costs goes towards scientific research instead. that's a world i want to live in.
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User avatar #101 to #89 - mornanddusk
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the difference being - where do you draw the line. With religion, people can believe whatever the hell they like. Atheists hit back, when those beliefs start having substantial negative outcomes - no one is saying 'WE DON'T TOLERATE RELIGION!!!"

it's more nuanced than that. What Atheists generally say is 'We don't tolerate the bad religion is doing'. That's all...
User avatar #100 to #72 - mornanddusk
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except that homosexuality isn't ridiculous....
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User avatar #112 to #103 - mornanddusk
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Actually there a tonnes of strong reasons why it isn't ridiculous. Which mainly come from what people say is ridiculous about it, being proven otherwise - but that's another conversation for another time.

No, you can make fun of it - it's not nice, but you can. You do have that right; taking that away is the equivalent of censorship, and you'll end up with a situation like closet racists = not actually solving the problem.

Also, tolerance means accepting something you do not agree with for the sake of betterment, so that isn't strictly a right. And the reason you tolerate them them, isn't because you have to - it's because you recognise that it is not harmful (in Philosophy this is called the Harm Principle) . Which funnily enough, comes back to it not being ridiculous in the first place.
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Sure, unless it is detrimental to society at large. We don't allow people to walk the streets that have voices in their heads telling them to do things, so religion isn't really any different.
User avatar #36 to #24 - responsibletim
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You could just quit being a dick and let people be happy. Not that hard, m8.
#35 to #11 - anon id: 23f68491
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>Implying theists don't mock and persecute other theists for their beliefs
User avatar #191 to #35 - zarcos
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I have met a lot more asshole atheists than asshole theists. For the most part religious people are kind, friendly and tolerant.
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So I read    
&quot;I don't understand how you can have such an abortion for an imaginary character&quot;   
It was way better when I read it that way.
So I read
"I don't understand how you can have such an abortion for an imaginary character"
It was way better when I read it that way.
User avatar #13 - captainfuckitall
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>Implying Atheists aren't just as annoying as religious people
User avatar #99 to #13 - mornanddusk
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i don't think thats the point it's making... it's more about hypocrisy....
#34 - ganjalf
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If jesus isn't real, how do you explain this picture of him?
Checkmate atheists
User avatar #51 - mynameisgeorge
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Yeah, because Jesus was never a real person

Have fun in the 8th grade you edgy admin
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Jesus existed, but he wasn't the son of god.
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#7 - crazyolitis
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inb4 the ********* some people are going to inevitably create.   
   
 *cough* schnizel *cough*
inb4 the ********* some people are going to inevitably create.

*cough* schnizel *cough*
#12 to #7 - schnizel
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NYEEEEEEES!
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You're about 10 years late