The beauty in the art of war. .. Oh the exit wounds that thing must make... The beauty in the art of war Oh exit wounds that thing must make
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#1 - obligatoryusername
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Oh the exit wounds that thing must make...
User avatar #90 to #1 - FLCLol
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im pretty sure they only look like that is because they were shot under water mking that odd shape
User avatar #56 to #1 - schnizel [OP]
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dum dum bullets
User avatar #102 to #1 - daentraya
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They're not made to be clean and penetrate the tissue. They're made to **** you up and be a little nuisance of tissue disruption and pain
User avatar #52 to #1 - zhanxious
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They don't. That's the point.
User avatar #93 to #1 - eddio
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I believe those are dum-dum rounds, you get shot by one of those and medical personnel are going to have a hell of a time fixing you up, they are incredibly difficult to remove, and illegal in a lot of places for good reason. The problem is that they are also very easy to make, all you need is a standard round and a knife.
User avatar #2 to #1 - Killerwale
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it would probable shatter while it enters you, so most likely no exit wound, but your insides are ******, unless you get shot somewhere with not a lot of flesh (idk, the arm, leg,)
#3 to #2 - obligatoryusername
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Interesting!

#5 to #2 - anon id: f4eab6a5
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Almost no shatter, actually, just excellent expansion so as to increase the amount of internal blood loss without exiting the body. These look to be Federal HST rounds.
User avatar #119 to #5 - didactus
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They are designed to expand as to transfer all the kinetic energy to the target that is being hit, instead of leaving the target intact with lots of it's kinetic energy still left.
User avatar #120 to #119 - didactus
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its* ******* retard move of me.
#87 to #5 - anon id: 63c169e0
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which is even more ****** up because you're not allowed to use these types of bullets in warfare,so the only reason for buying these things is to put down domestic targets,and they bought a hell of a lot of bullets too.

Also Obama and Eric Holder have already ok'd selective killing of american citizens if they're classified as a terrorist,and they've actually killed an american suspected of terrorism without trial using drone strikes.

Its interesting because even bush was against selective targeting of american citizens.
#25 - kyleassante
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they look like butt holes.
#94 to #25 - lookathecomment
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I'm going to put mah dick in dat
User avatar #32 to #25 - theugandanhero
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ur face looks like a butt hole.
#122 to #32 - gitanisme
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User avatar #40 to #25 - pinstre
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If your butthole looks like that, see a doctor right away.
User avatar #98 to #40 - dsgbiohazard
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I don't want to be 'that guy'. And I probably am.

But I believe he's talking about the small center areas.
#91 - SubjectThree
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Confucius say:

"While the intention is there, the point is hollow."
User avatar #17 - tommythecat
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makes committing a war crime almost worth it
User avatar #6 - icelandicviking
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sorry to burst your bubble, but no military in the world uses these types of bullets, instead they use ones that pure hard metal. And these bullets you have there are for hunting, which are banned in military. It is so the bullet goes through the soldier so he has more chances to survive the hit. And the ones they use for military is banned for hunting so you don't hurt the animal instead of killing it instantly.

you can probably find a video on youtube on why soft metal type bullets are more lethal.
User avatar #8 to #6 - wtfaduck
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Arn't you the ammo knowledge master. Those are rounds designed for killing humans in times of self defense.
User avatar #9 to #8 - icelandicviking
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I shoot guns as in a hobby like skeet and target shooting. But no ammo is made to kill any human. they use hard metal bullets so they injure instead of killing another Human being.

Self defense or not. no bullet, no matter what the stores tell you, are not to kill but to injure.
User avatar #10 to #9 - icelandicviking
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Unless its hunting animals ofc.
#101 to #10 - anon id: 9089cba2
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but what if i take my ammo use to kill an animal and kill a human? will it magically not kill them? no, it will **** them up
User avatar #123 to #101 - icelandicviking
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I'm sorry if you don't understand. But think about this, a thief brakes into your house but you shoot and kill him with a pistol. Would you go to jail?
User avatar #11 to #6 - inuares
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Can you explain why we AREN'T trying to kill people in wars?
#31 to #11 - bazda
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It's not as much about killing people as it is about getting them out of the fight, and making it as costly as possible for the opposing force. Shoot a guy in the face, one guy is out. Shoot a guy in the thigh, he's out, two or three of his buddies are out, temporarily, to get him to a safe location, then the medic is occupied on a non-life-threatening injury, he's taking up medical supplies, and morphine, gasoline if he needs to be transported to a field hospital....yada yada yada.

All that opposed to a folded flag and a headstone.
User avatar #14 to #11 - icelandicviking
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War isnt to kill other people, its to controll the other. If it was about killing each other, why not just nuke the **** out of each other, or bomb the **** out of their city's?

i acknowledge the fact nukes have also been banned. but still, if it was about killing why have rules?
User avatar #13 to #11 - mmmilovemeth
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because if you wound someone instead of killing them you effectively take 2 people out of action, the guy you shot and the guy that then has to look after him.
#12 to #11 - phoenixactual
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We try to be more humane. plus, if we can capture the enemy, they have more value
User avatar #15 to #6 - defender
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The Air Force uses hollow points everywhere except in deployed locations
User avatar #16 to #6 - MaelRadec
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have you ever seen what happens to a person that gets shot by a hallow point?
#18 to #6 - winternetz
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all militaries use full metal jacket rounds. they still have a lead core just like the ones in the picture, but they have a full jacket of steel. i think it is steel anyways. this is so that flesh wounds are survivable.

say you get shot in the ass (flesh wound);

full metal jacket round - the doctor picks out the single chunk of metal and stitches you up. you are better in no time.

hollow point - the doctor spends 4 hours picking little pieces lead out of your ass with no chance of getting it all. you could bleed to death during that, or you might get an infection because you have foreign materials inside of you.

hollow points explode on impact, they dont look like the picture at all.

for hunting you use a projectile with a full copper jacket. you never use a hollow point on big game animals. it ruins a lot of meat. it also kills them slowly and painfully if you give an animal a flesh wound with a hollow point.
#29 to #18 - bazda
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Hollow points look exactly like the picture, that is a hollow point bullet. Bullets that fragment on impact are called frangible.

Hollow points are absolutely used in hunting. It doesn't animals slowly either. Just look up ballistics tests on youtube of any bullet you want. Hollow points leave massive wound channels, causing a ******** more damage, and killing the animal instantly.

I think you're just confusing hollow points with frangibles.
#129 to #29 - winternetz
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not really, i have never heard of a frangible, but i get the idea. hollow points do blow up, i have them and use them, but it is pretty unethical to use it on anything bigger than a grouse. if i was at home i would show you pictures of what hollow points can do.

i may have worded that strangely, i meant that hollow points don't usually look like the picture once they expand.
#106 to #18 - anon id: a4d11899
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Real quick, I'm active duty and deployed but we do use hollow points in the US. We just can't use them overseas because they're not NATO approved.
User avatar #24 to #18 - lean
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copper jackets, not steel.
The military doesn't use Hollow point because they mushroom to easily. FMJ holds shape until it hits armor. It will go right through flak jackets and kevlar vests.
Hollow points are for home defense. You want that bullet stopping at the wall, not carrying through into the neighbors house. Has nothing to do with causalities
#89 - fresty
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Ah yes, what a beauty
User avatar #96 to #89 - reican
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watch out pyro. he'll eat yeh.
#86 - crazyolitis
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art of wartillery
art of wartillery
#104 to #86 - bitchitroll
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User avatar #73 - binbunny
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Not true comrade! Those are hollow points which according to the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 expanding bullets are not allowed in warfare.
#74 to #73 - schnizel [OP]
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Hollow
User avatar #76 to #74 - binbunny
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They still expand, therefore still banned.
User avatar #85 to #76 - phyrex
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dosnt matter if they are or arent the current bullet we use just kinda rips itself apart inside you anyway
#97 to #85 - shigiddy
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Only at certain ranges though. Around 150-200m for the M16.
User avatar #132 to #97 - phyrex
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true any closer and its just a clean hole albeit with a shock wave being created in the tissue from the supersonic round unless it his a bone then it just like pin ball lol (ex usaf sec fo )
User avatar #77 to #76 - schnizel [OP]
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Banned, wink wink.
#75 to #73 - schnizel [OP]
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Dum dum
User avatar #81 to #73 - themurp
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The U.S. uses them. (for snipers)
User avatar #92 to #73 - sketchE
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still allowed for personal defense and hunting
User avatar #95 to #73 - bounod
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"The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use of expanding bullets in international warfare.[14] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the Declaration of St Petersburg in 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams.

Until relatively recently, the prohibition on the use of expanding bullets was only applicable to international armed conflicts. The International Committee of the Red Cross's customary international law study contends that customary law now prohibits their use in armed conflicts not of an international character.[15] The adoption of an amendment to Article 8 at the Review Conference of the Rome Statute in Kampala makes the use of expanding bullets in non-international armed conflict a war crime.[16]

Because the Hague convention applies only to the use of expanding bullets in war, the use of expanding rounds remains legal, or even required, in some circumstances. Examples of this are use of appropriately expanding bullets in hunting, where it is desirable to stop the animal quickly either to prevent loss of a game animal, or ensure a humane death of vermin, and in law enforcement or self-defense, where quickly neutralizing an aggressor may be needed to prevent further loss of life, or where the bullet must remain inside the target to prevent collateral damage." -wiki
#107 to #95 - anon id: 8ebadeac
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Then answer this.. Why is this used in the 12.7 mm (50. cal) bullets..? hmmm? The bullet is still full metal jacket. But carris an explosive, armor piercing substance inside it. (if you open it up. its like a bullet inside a bullet) witch will explode on hard inpact and EXPAND.
User avatar #53 - glubdogar
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THATS THE ART OF WAAAAAAR!
User avatar #20 - roliga
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War
Hollow Points

Choose one

I have over 950 rounds of 9mm ammo sitting next to me right now and a box of 25 Hornady JHP 9mm rounds.
User avatar #42 to #20 - thenukecity
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Hey man, you can use hollow points in war, just not legally and as part of an army.
User avatar #46 to #20 - greenstrongworld
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You say that last part as if you were going to shoot us through the internet.