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#179 to #4 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
The united states is a democratic-republic
User avatar #207 to #179 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
implying its actual democracy
User avatar #127 to #4 - durkadurka ONLINE (08/13/2013) [-]
Apparently they refused to teach you how to write a decent sentence, and also what a democracy is.
User avatar #79 to #4 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
I agree with what you're saying, only you need to look up the definition of democracy. Don't try to look clever if you don't know what the word means.
User avatar #82 to #79 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
well true democracy is based upon the opinion of the majority....but what the world actually has is sheep herded where the powers that be want the majority...so its not the peoples choice where their common choice goes

current standards are **** because the majority of people have been herded into allowing them to become that way
User avatar #84 to #82 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
I'm just saying, that's a different argument. I agree with some of your points, both about democracy and education. I disagree with some points too. Lets leave it there. Neither of us wants to debate politics on a day off.
User avatar #88 to #84 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
well i am open to others viewpoints, i prefer throwing ideas back and forth to get outside feedback....but it can wait....enjoy your day off
User avatar #89 to #88 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
Some of us are lazier than that man haha
#90 to #89 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
meanwhile.....at fukkendragonites house
User avatar #91 to #90 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
I'm British, so this is rather insulting. Why would I be spending my day off serving drinks to America along with my Eurobrethren?
#92 to #91 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
British:
You are just smegging awesome
#96 to #92 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
You don't understand.

I ******* love Red Dwarf. I even have a Red Dwarf tattoo
User avatar #97 to #96 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
i own season 1-8 on dvd and gonna get the rest soon....i kinda grew up watching it........that and Lexx

User avatar #98 to #97 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
Same man, I never get bored of it. Amazing piece of television, no doubt
#101 to #98 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
kinda torn....

i loved red dwarf for it being that kinda show it evolved as you grew with it....it went from being a simple show like set up in someones garage with cardboard proops up to proper sets and CGI kinda it grew up and matured as the viewers did

but liked lexx for the coming right out as impressive from the start, and i liked the assassin Kai
User avatar #102 to #101 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
Can honestly say I've never seen Lexx. But I totally agree with the bit about RD maturing with the audience. It matures with the actors too. Because the new series, obviously the actors are a lot older now, Lister doesn't try to be the young party guy anymore. He's older and he's more of a "I could have done something with my life but it's too late now but who cares" kind of guy. The writer, Doug Naylor knows what he's doing and you always trust him to write for the characters well.
#104 to #102 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
and some of the off-set things from red dwarf also tied in a bit

lister was a bit of a party nut (and got arrested for drug possession - kinda why red dwarf laid low for while, cant film it when your main guy is in jail)

the cat actually does obsess over clothes irl and has a huge wardrobe

and if you can remember back to that episode where kryten met that female robot Camille......well i real life, he married her
User avatar #116 to #104 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
Haha, yeah. Doug Naylor says that he likes to watch the actors when they're eating lunch or whatever and make notes on things they do and put it in the show. The cast of the show always say that it's amazing how well he manages to capture their personalities and exaggerate it for TV. He's an amazing judge of character.
User avatar #69 to #4 - metalmind (08/13/2013) [-]
America: Far too prudish.
#73 to #69 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
< more or less true

usa spies on everyone without issues but panics when someone spies on them
#64 to #4 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
This whole thread.
User avatar #65 to #64 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
....at least its not a religious debate....now THAT would be a *********
#66 to #65 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
**** off dude. You started this.
User avatar #68 to #66 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
its not my fault if the immature little kids opt to **** themselves instead of debating anything

User avatar #71 to #68 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
>immature little kids on here
>can't form a grammatically correct sentence and makes statements about democracy that only a rebellious 14 year old or a half retard would think up

**** off fool.
User avatar #119 to #71 - deandrummer (08/13/2013) [-]
being a rebellious 15 yr old that would never come up with a statement about democracy like that, you offend me sir
User avatar #132 to #119 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
We'll just settle on the fact that the guy's retarded. I remember he blocked me a couple weeks back just for disagreeing with him.
User avatar #145 to #132 - deandrummer (08/13/2013) [-]
agreed
User avatar #72 to #71 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
there we go
grammar nazi is always a sign of the person who lost the argument

do you always jump on the butthurt bandwagon or do you reserve a seat
User avatar #74 to #72 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
I'm just gonna let you reread the first comment you posted with all those red thumbs. If it still makes sense to you, you're retarded. That's really all there is to say here.
User avatar #77 to #74 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
yep, the butthurt is over 9000

by not teaching kids how to do or not to do things will not stop them from doing those things, it just leaves them with no understanding of what it is they do and no basis on how to do damage control when they mess things up
User avatar #78 to #77 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
And you're retarded. Your thoughts on democracy are so ******* idiotic that they don't even require a well thought out comeback.
User avatar #149 to #78 - infedel ONLINE (08/13/2013) [-]
he thinks AIDS was a ploy for money created by the big scary government
#83 to #78 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
you look this smart right now

you wont bother with an intelligent comeback because youre not capable of one, if your ignorance was gold you would be the US federal reserve
User avatar #136 to #83 - thepyras (08/13/2013) [-]
>the federal reserve has gold anymore
User avatar #85 to #83 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (08/13/2013) [-]
Yup, you're totally right. Enjoy your day.
User avatar #27 to #4 - willindor ONLINE (08/13/2013) [-]
∞eddyπme
#17 to #4 - ivoryhammer (08/13/2013) [-]
America is a Republic, not a Democracy.
User avatar #46 to #17 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
theres no difference between politics, both sides have assholes running the show and not doing anything they promised
User avatar #25 to #17 - DoggyBouncer (08/13/2013) [-]
Stop using that ******* picture if you can't use it right.
#13 to #4 - angelusprimus (08/13/2013) [-]
actually, democracy does a little bit better at it then dictatorships and theocracies.
Problem right now is that our "democratic" leaders are being elected based on how religious they are and how influcenced by religion their votes are going to be.
Texas congress is a de facto theocracy that keeps blocking any education that does not conform to their religious beliefs.
User avatar #47 to #13 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
well actually, countries that call themselves democracies, arent....voting makes no difference, its the corporations who select whos in power
User avatar #57 to #47 - RandomAnonGuy (08/13/2013) [-]
**** it, I'll humor you. How?
User avatar #59 to #57 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
not only is it kept a strict 2-party system with both candidates in the pocket of the corporations who have the money to back them, and prevent any others from reaching positions of power where they might chalenge the major 2....but also voting means nothing, its whichever of the 2 main guys who best suits the interests of the powers at the time who gets office

its a fact that aside from one. that all other US presidents have been blood relatives, even some of the ones who didnt get elected were relatives (like bush and kerry)

the corporations support this form of imperial leadership because its easier to monitor and groom the prospective new leaders into their future position
User avatar #95 to #59 - toensix (08/13/2013) [-]
So COUNTRY: USA. Not COUNTRIES.

At least not were I live.(Netherlands)
User avatar #99 to #95 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
well other countries do pretend to have 'democracy' too, just they dont hold to the family tree ideal for picking leaders....but still, voting means nothing apart from keeping the people under the fallacy of them having any choice in who leads

User avatar #100 to #99 - toensix (08/13/2013) [-]
So are you saying that the votes are rigged? That the outcome they show us isn't the actual vote?
User avatar #103 to #100 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
Stalin said it best "Its not who votes that counts, its who counts the votes"

true enough,,,,,...they show you the votes they want you to believe. and theres no way the people can prove how votes went, since noone can go around the whole countru and actually ask everyone who they voted for to make sure

and just to make sure the people are convinced that votes went a certain way, they have the candidates play act good guy bad guy around election time to make one appear more popular than the other......like the last election....much as people hated obama, they made romney look like the new satan, so when obama was hand picked to stay for a second term, people didnt complain because he looked better than romney
User avatar #107 to #103 - toensix (08/13/2013) [-]
One again this is just an American thing. Where I live there are dozens of political parties. Some big, some small. And every election there are new ones and old ones who disappear.

A few years ago Geert Wilders(who was a politician of the VVD(our republicans put simply)) Made his own party the PVV which as one of it's main points was to get rid of the muslims basically. I can not believe there is some mysterious overlording group of people who decided to create such a party. Especially because last year I visited our house of representatives. There they have a platform from which you can follow the debate. Most of the room was empty as the issue wasn't that important. Except for the PVV of which every single representative(except for Geert Wilders) was present. They wanted to ask the prime minister(who was visiting the coronation of the new pope so someone else spoke for him) why he allowed the president of Turkey to visit our country 2 weeks later. You see there was some hubbup around a turkish boy being adopted by a lesbian couple which other Turks did not like. They tought we sould make a 'statement' by refusing the president. The spokesperson replied that we had good relations with Turkey and we won't simply throw that away.
And every time the PVV spokesperson said something, the other members would tap on the table(which is a manner over here politicians do when they want to say: 'Well said!' but they can't speak so they tap the table instead). The members of other parties in the room were visually irritated something I don't think would happen when they were all into it. And when the PVV spokesperson was done she walked away without listening to the answer.

I can not believe that something like that is staged to keep the sheeple quiet.
User avatar #212 to #107 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
oh theres always tons of parties BUT which ones get elected....one of the main 2
hence its a 2-party system and the smaller parties are just along for the ride

you'd be surprised how far political parties go to appear to the public as if they have good intentions......
as you just said, that party wants muslims gone BUT threw in the allowing the turkish president to visit and allowing the turkish baby adoption to sugarcoat things
User avatar #213 to #212 - toensix (08/13/2013) [-]
No sorry if I confused you. They do want the muslims out. And didn't want the turkish president to visit simply because some Turks got butthurt because some turkish kid got addopted by a lesbian couple.

Also here we definetly do NOT have a two party system. We used to have a de facto three party system(the right wing, the left wing and the christians). But the christians have had a huge decline in recent years and while the other two are still the biggest they are quickly being approached by the rest.
User avatar #214 to #213 - konradkurze (08/13/2013) [-]
well can i ask....in the last century, how often has each party been in control of the government
User avatar #215 to #214 - toensix (08/13/2013) [-]
There has never been one party in control of the government. Because there are so many relative small parties, they always have to make a compromis which has at some point even consisted of four different parties. Only the prime minister is always a member of the most popular party but his power doesn't even come close to that of a president, american or otherwise(not counting Germany but that's something different alltogether).
User avatar #108 to #107 - toensix (08/13/2013) [-]
tl;dr I have personally witnessed the stupidity of our political system and refuse to believe that there is some higher power behind it.
User avatar #7 to #4 - zaggystirdust (08/13/2013) [-]
what uh... what does democracy have to do with that?
User avatar #11 to #7 - hanabro (08/13/2013) [-]
Nothing. He's just being 3edgy5us.
#6 to #4 - wheresthefudge (08/13/2013) [-]
Democracy: The will of the majority of citizens determining the course of the government.   
   
Not whatever the 						****					 you were trying to say.   
Seriously, not endemic to democratic forms of government.
Democracy: The will of the majority of citizens determining the course of the government.

Not whatever the **** you were trying to say.
Seriously, not endemic to democratic forms of government.
#76 to #6 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
Democracy is four men standing on a volcano.
Three of them deciding to jump
All four of them dying.
User avatar #80 to #76 - fukkendragonite (08/13/2013) [-]
Or 3 of them deciding to get out alive and all four lives being saved. Without the other 3 the fourth guy would have made the silly decision to jump.
#37 to #6 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
Well, what we have now is a bunch of people driving a train over a cliff.
User avatar #32 to #6 - infiniteduress (08/13/2013) [-]
As an add on to this, the only Democracies in existence are mob overthrows of a government, what the majority of the civilized world has, are republics.
User avatar #124 to #32 - wheresthefudge (08/13/2013) [-]
I'll agree that there's a difference between "democracy" and "democratic style of government". Most of the western world is ruled by a democratic republic of some sort or another, and while not a perfect democracy, can still be considered democratic.
User avatar #216 to #124 - infiniteduress (08/13/2013) [-]
there is a distinction between democratic and democracy.
a democracy is a government that is absolutely controlled by the majority, in other words, a mob because the majority can say lets kill everyone else, and it will happen.
democratic can describe republic, and means that the people actually have a say in who runs their republic. because you can have other means of choosing who runs the republic.
User avatar #217 to #216 - wheresthefudge (08/13/2013) [-]
Isn't that what I just said?
User avatar #218 to #217 - infiniteduress (08/13/2013) [-]
**** me lol i had just woken up when i read that and derped.
#20 to #6 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
too bad that isn't happening... America hasn't been a democracy for some time now. Somehow as a younger man those Washington ***** got me to fight their wars in OIF & OEF. The gov is blindsiding us all, foreign and domestic.
User avatar #157 to #20 - logicstrike (08/13/2013) [-]
see this is about some dickhead not understanding what a democracy is. Not whether America has one.
#29 to #20 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
>America isn't a democracy
>Can't list any freedoms we have lost

In before hurr durr NSA, that is 10 years old at this point.
#30 to #29 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
You are one blind bat.
#31 to #30 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
I am blind yet you cannot back up your claims right. You may still protest the government without fear of them opening fire on you (like they did during Vietnam), there are no work camps for government prisoners, despite what /pol/ and reddit tell you the NSA doesn't care about you (Started under Bush 10+ years ago, bitched about, forgotten about, now conservatives act shocked the black dude is keeping it going), no forced conscription (haven't even invoked the draft since Nam), multiple parties, drones are not monitoring you, and we are not assassinating citizens.

So what is your argument exactly? We have problems but why are you blatantly lying on the internet instead of doing something about it? I write my congressman, I protested during Bush era, what the **** have you done? Better yet are you even able to vote? Are you out of high school? Do you even have a damn clue assist from conspiracy nonsense on the internet? Basically: Shut the **** up, your ignorance is astounding.
#35 to #31 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
Wow, you are so blind that you couldn't even ask someone else to read my original comment to you. I served in the United States Navy onboard the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in 2002-2003 OIF/OEF. I shook that snake of a President Bush's hand on top of the ******* Carrier when he made his ridiculous "Mission Accomplished" speech.
THOUSANDS OF HUMANS DIED DO TO THE LIES THAT CRETIN AND OUR GOVERNMENT SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS. WMD's? HAH! Not one found.
At the same time our cost of living is skyrocketing while our Minimum Wage hasn't been keeping up with the output of common productivity. Food cost rising, Gas, Forced Health Insurance. Than after Bush slams the Country into a ******* debt by having no method of regulating Lenders THOUSANDS of AMERICAN CITIZENS lose their HOMES. Now this guy Obama comes in and unfortunately continues the same charade. Just today NY stopped it's illegal practice of "Stop & Frisk" as finally a step in the right direction of keeping our gov from encroaching.
User avatar #36 to #35 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
Caps is cool bro. Really convincing me that you're what you claim.
#81 to #36 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
You are really blind.

You're an oppressive government's wet dream
#86 to #81 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
You're an assbag who should read the rest of the conversation before passing judgement. And you should stand by your opinions and not hide behind anonymity.
#45 to #36 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
Do something with your life you pathetic **** . You'll be lucky to ever see this from my perspective.
#48 to #45 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
I don't care enough for politics to even try. Hell I was invited to meet the current president (Not personally he was going to an event sponsored by my former employers) and decided against it. Formal events are terrible.
I don't care enough for politics to even try. Hell I was invited to meet the current president (Not personally he was going to an event sponsored by my former employers) and decided against it. Formal events are terrible.
#41 to #36 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
No who's talkin you ****** LAME
#44 to #39 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
And to your credit at least you back up your claims.
And to your credit at least you back up your claims.
#38 to #36 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
Our Country has taken a **** over the last 40-50 years. and it's because of careless Baby-boomers livin the high life through the 80's and 90's. They let Political Correctness rob us of FREE SPEACH, the Prison Industrial Complex rob us of reasonable judgements by a JURY, and to top it off we lost the most important thing. The interest of Generations that follow to give a damn about THEIR COUNTRY. Go **** yourself
#49 to #38 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
Alright alright you aren't an assbag kid. That's good. Forgive my approach, but I am rather sick of the hordes of angry 15 year olds who blindly worship the Paul family, and believe everything /pol/ tells them. Current problems are the result of the Bush era (I mean the surplus he was left and squandered for War Profiteering in Iraq. I fully approve of what we did in Afghanistan/Pakistan, but Saddam was a good thing for us! He should have been left in power), and furthered by a weak current president (Our tax code needs to return to Clinton era, war on terror is ******** and needs to end now, and we need to stop resorting to political extremes meaning Dems vs Repubs, left vs right, lib vs con).

The private sector has been running amok. Since the government isn't regulating them, they are able to deny benefits, cut pay, work longer hours, horde cash, and generally cause the rest of us to be squeezed. To question the private sector is to be labeled a socialist by the right. The racism thing is a distraction from the main problems we have, and nothing but crying liberals.

As for healthcare, back in undergrad I wrote a paper on it. The uninsured were a massive burden on the states in the late 80s and most of the 90s. Instead of offering insurance (like the state of NJ does) most just beg the Feds to help them. The Feds got the bright idea of forcing health care as a result (this didn't happen at the time I wrote it, but was outlined as a possible out come).

You're not the dick I thought you where and for that I apologize.
#63 to #49 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
You seem reasonable, do you think a hint of socialism would do good in US?
I think it might save your system. (just IMHO)

with regards, European.
User avatar #75 to #63 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
Always had a hint of socialism. Well since the days of Teddy. Capitalism and a well regulated market is the key to a successful nation.
#210 to #75 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
Technically speaking as long as the constitution has been in effect at least, since it includes Congress providing services
#50 to #49 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
I hate getting this fired up at another innocent person. We are all Innocent and yet we are paying the price. However I do not feel I owe you squat because you basically called me a liar with no ground to stand on. btw I'm 35 and I waste my time on this site to help me forget my past. I might not be a college grad, but I am definitely educated in the realities of Mankind.
User avatar #51 to #50 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
Yeah you are. Chose a different path in life. I am an accountant, didn't really have much of a choice but to go to college. (Military service was out of the question due to mental problems in my family)
#53 to #51 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
alright... I guess "Middle of the night Internet fight" is over then? Maybe I'll see you around on this site, here and there. Please try to have a little more faith in others or at least give'em a chance to speak up... Some folks like myself can't type as fast as you!

Good Night.
User avatar #54 to #53 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
Coffee helps.
User avatar #42 to #38 - dwarfman (08/13/2013) [-]
Yet here you are crying on the internet. Do something about it. Yeah Herr Bush shat on us all, O man promised the fix it and is cowering before a do nothing congress. Boomers still bitch and moan, forming their tea parties. My point remains: Stop bitching on the internet, you're not getting anywhere and not changing a damn thing. I tell this to every assbag whole becomes political here.
#14 to #6 - senorfrog (08/13/2013) [-]
America still having a democracy, pffft.
America still having a democracy, pffft.
User avatar #18 to #14 - ivoryhammer (08/13/2013) [-]
America is a Republic.
#174 to #18 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
not knowing a republic is a democracy
i shiggy diggy shwooop doope doop bop bop
User avatar #142 to #18 - foxxywithpaws ONLINE (08/13/2013) [-]
To be precise, a federal presidential constitutional republic
User avatar #133 to #18 - imnotkickthecat (08/13/2013) [-]
Its in the Pledge of allegiance. It it is known.
#115 to #18 - anonymous (08/13/2013) [-]
who are you talking to?
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#21 to #18 - trashmaggots (08/13/2013) [-]
not at the moment it isn't.
User avatar #182 to #21 - xdeathspawnx (08/13/2013) [-]
a republic is any government not ruled by a monarch. So yes, the U.S. is still a republic.
User avatar #19 to #18 - crimsontyyde ONLINE (08/13/2013) [-]
Thank you!
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