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#29 - weediemaan (07/31/2013) [-]
and of course I read vaginism
and of course I read vaginism
#2 - wraththefurious (07/31/2013) [-]
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#4 to #2 - asmathiel (07/31/2013) [-]
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User avatar #3 - toriofwind (07/31/2013) [-]
Let's face it Hannibal Lecter is far more preferable company than a vegan.
User avatar #32 to #3 - newforomador ONLINE (07/31/2013) [-]
As long as he isn't eating me I'd be perfectly fine with it. I've also always wanted to see what human tastes like. I'm not the only one here like that here right?
User avatar #35 to #32 - captainfuckitall (07/31/2013) [-]
Like Pork

Except a bit more harsh
User avatar #36 to #35 - newforomador ONLINE (07/31/2013) [-]
Have you actually tasted it or is that a quote from the show?
User avatar #37 to #36 - captainfuckitall (07/31/2013) [-]
Real life Cannibal (and near duplicate of Hannibal Lector, so much so that they could have been the same person) Armin Meiwes said so in his biography

He also described his favourite dishes, how to best cook and prepare them, and even detailed that once you eat enough human meat, other meats tend to taste bland and boring

There's also a movie based on it called 'Grimm Love' which I absolutely adored, not for the 'grittiness' of it, but because it actually addressed the question of how far is it acceptable to go in order to feel loved
#87 to #3 - jameslongo (07/31/2013) [-]
Let's "face" it
#7 - lemmielickdatleg (07/31/2013) [-]
In terms of food production, a lot of our crops and money go towards feeding livestock. So if a larger portion of the population was vegan, we wouldn't have to worry about that extra growth, or at least we'd be able to feed people with the extra.

Of course, nobody expects the whole world to become vegan. Meat is good, it's healthy if you eat a proper amount. However, not many people realize how serious the whole environmental issue is. It would be nice if we could just slow down our livestock production until we find a more sustainable way to live how we want
User avatar #46 to #7 - logicstrike (07/31/2013) [-]
that would be cultured meat, and I can't wait.
User avatar #84 to #7 - bigmanfifty (07/31/2013) [-]
livestock is extremely inefficient
#114 to #7 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
Or the human race could stop breeding like rabbits and every ******* one can have a steak once in a while.
#118 to #7 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
Cows produce a lot of methane which is bad. If we stopped killing them they might be too many. THEN all that fart will add to environment problems.
#123 to #7 - justhangingaround (07/31/2013) [-]
What about that whole planned pasture thing?
I know other scientist in the field hate the idea but seriously... who gives a **** about deserts?
#137 to #7 - plaruti (07/31/2013) [-]
the world produces enough food to feed every last person three reasonable meals a day.

If a lot of people became vegan, that's all that would change. People would be vegans. Food production would change their status quo to accommodate the new fad.

it's not like we would suddenly decide to start giving food to the people who really need it.
User avatar #77 to #7 - yuvesh (07/31/2013) [-]
even without animals meat would still exist
there is a lot of talk about keeping insects as livestock as you can eat there whole body and they eat less. there meat can be used in same way as animals - made into burgers etc.
User avatar #80 to #77 - lemmielickdatleg (07/31/2013) [-]
I don't think that would become very popular with developed countries.

I can see how that would succeed in a 3rd world country, though. I really don't know how nutritional that is, but I wouldn't expect it to be a very sanitary business.
User avatar #82 to #80 - yuvesh (07/31/2013) [-]
you could say the same about pigs
the insects are just kept in big cages and no one cares about insect rights

it sucks that in developed countries we are taught eating bugs is "gross" so it would take years for it to become popular
User avatar #83 to #82 - lemmielickdatleg (07/31/2013) [-]
The way most places produce meat these days isn't exactly "sanitary" in the first place. Close enough to meet the standards of the FDA, apparently.

If they want to keep disease out of the bugs they'd have to raise them in better ways than just big cages. There are other alternatives for meat as well. I know most people don't like the thought of using tofu as a substitute, but it takes less energy to produce a tofu burger than beef.

Another suggestion: It takes more energy to raise beef than pork, more energy for pork than chicken, and more for chicken than fish. If we could cut out more beef/pork and focus on chicken/fish in our diet, I'm sure it would make good progress.
User avatar #129 to #7 - JENNAY (07/31/2013) [-]
This is the first time I haven't wanted to smack somebody for using that image

Thank you for not using it to be a douche and instead actually present data instead of data plus butthurt
#8 to #7 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
but burgers...they taste good
#12 to #7 - hypocritical (07/31/2013) [-]
but here's what i think. Even if, say 1,000,000 people become vegan, the companies will still use up food to produce livestock to eat. Now that these corporations have started up and are now big enough to fund anything they want, they won't care that those 1 million people are vegan, they still make profit from the billions of other people here.
#75 to #12 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
You have no idea about economics do you?

If a billion people stop eating meat, or eat less meat, companies run into "overproduction". They can't sell everything they produce. They spend money in producing, but can't get that money back in selling.
You know what they do?
Produce less.

lemmielickdatleg 's comment is correct.
User avatar #138 to #75 - Fgner (07/31/2013) [-]
1 million he said. Far less than 1 billion, and hardly enough to change production at all.
#91 to #7 - imofcnotharveydent (07/31/2013) [-]
also it much more efficent to use that food to feed fish rather than cows, pigs and the like because all warm-blood animals use a lot of that food to produce heat rather than fish who would just use it to wiggle around in their little fishy lives
#108 to #7 - fekillix (07/31/2013) [-]
I think that to please everyone demands in the future we need less people.

If everyone is going to consume as much meat and dairy products as us Scandinavians, we would only be able to feed 1/4th of the worlds population.
If everyone wants a car and a nice house, (eliminating the 3rd world) we wouldn't have enough metals.

Right now, there are 52 people per square kilometer of land (not ocean), if everyone is going to have a car, a big house and eat meat daily the amount of people needs to decrease to around 15-20 per square kilometer.

If we don't start the population decrease now, we are going to face massive problems in the future. Imagine when it becomes cheaper to use robots to manufacture electronics in china! Almost everyone there is going to be out of work, the few employers that are left are going to need very highly educated people to maintain and repair the machines that are replacing the humans.

And with so few people, environmental concerns would be irrelevant. We could use bio-fuels like bio-diesel and bio-ethanol to power our conventional internal combustion engines in cars and eventually planes. (Bio-fuel is carbon neutral). Larger boats (like container ships) can be nuclear powered (We need to research Thorium now!), many large Russian ice-breakers use uranium, and they get by with only a kilo a year and way lower running costs then conventional diesel powered ones.

When every human on earth is highly educated, there is no hunger and no greenhouse-effect. Mankind can become a multi-planetary race.

Elderly care, though, is going to be extremely difficult, especially in parts of Africa, where almost the entirety of the population is under 20. If they have few children, elderly care has to be extremely efficient to take care of everyone in a humane way.

Sorry for such a long and sinister post, I just had to get this off my chest.
User avatar #72 to #7 - Logicaltightrope (07/31/2013) [-]
We have complete capability of feeding the entire world, with or without meat. We just don't.
#89 to #72 - feeding (07/31/2013) [-]
People try there best not to feed other people.
#9 to #7 - killerpotato (07/31/2013) [-]
Farm animals could just eat grass (in the case of cows, goats, sheep, and other ruminent animals), or peck at seeds and bugs (chickens) and the resources used would be way lower, not perfect by any means but a huge improvement.. But that doesn't make any money because the animals don't grow as big or as fast, so instead they are fed high calorie (for them) foods like grains and soy, which of course use up a great deal of time, land, money, and water. It doesn't help that most people have gotten a taste for meat from animals fed grains and soy, and grass fed or pastured animals taste more gamey to them.
User avatar #85 to #9 - drastronomy (07/31/2013) [-]
grass area where other foods could be grown...and most feed their chickens soy beans from brazil today....
#143 to #85 - killerpotato (07/31/2013) [-]
That's why i said it wasn't perfect, just a better option. Honestly everybody in the world isn't going to become a vegan, so if they are going to eat meat (which they are) it's better for them to eat meat which causes the least amount of damage to the environment. Much more farmland is used to feed farm animals now, because the grains and soy fed to farm animals requires a great deal of land to grow as well as a great deal of water. Raising farm animals can even be a positive thing for the environment under very specific circumstances. Cattle can be used to reverse desertification and have been done so successfully in south Africa by a biologist and farmer, Allan Savory.
#115 - Sockopolis (07/31/2013) [-]
Telling people that you are a vegan and preaching your ways without us asking is also a surefire way to look like a pretentious cunt.
User avatar #26 - zorororonoa (07/31/2013) [-]
But I don't want bad karma
#39 to #26 - brokenhalf (07/31/2013) [-]
mesees what you did there
mesees what you did there
#40 - chrisstineline (07/31/2013) [-]
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User avatar #30 - yuukoku (07/31/2013) [-]
This is really true >_< Cannibalism is less productive, but speaking objectively, it would solve the population problem. You also don't look like a pussy doing it.
#48 to #30 - bizzar (07/31/2013) [-]
Yfw inviting people for long pig BBQ
Yfw inviting people for long pig BBQ
User avatar #151 to #48 - yuukoku (07/31/2013) [-]
Dude, I've got a smoker here that makes meat taste like heaven jizzing in your mouth.
#11 - trickytrickster (07/31/2013) [-]
There's a reason we have teach to chew meat and vegetables, as well as the enzymes to digest meat, but not bark, etc.
User avatar #15 to #11 - captainrattrap ONLINE (07/31/2013) [-]
You sentenced that accidentally.
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#119 - gerfox (07/31/2013) [-]
But... Veganism requires farmland being reassigned to producing vegetables, and new areas of farmland. This requires water, and due to overpopulation this water (and maybe in 40 years even the land) wouldn't be available.

And... If everyone were to become vegan that would mean all vegetables would be used to feed us, and we couldn't for instance create biological fuel which could help another problem.

In that way cannibalism it's better, because it removes the core problem. People.
#132 to #119 - astarothaufromage (07/31/2013) [-]
Cannibalism for a few years might be better, but the point about being vegan is that you don't need the animals. A cow eats 10 kg for every 1 kg of meat it produces on average and it farts a whole lot of greenhouse gasses. What if we ate the veggies and left the animals outta the picture, We'd only need one tenth of the soil we use and I'm not even thinking about the space the animals would need.
#144 to #132 - gerfox (07/31/2013) [-]
You know there is other issues than just food and water - the animals have a certain function as well, and we can't just make them extinct. That would seriously harm the eco-system.

If we don't have farm animals there would be a shortage of fertilizer, and with less fertilizer farming wouldn't be as productive, and again there would be a long term shortage of food.

Of course, there would also be advantages of this - as you mentioned, but farm animals is an important part of what people eat, and for instance in countries with little access to fish it could be hurtful for peoples health. In addition the same areas would suffer even more from the change in what people eat, due to their lack of water. Also, in the coming years there will be more extreme weather, and the dry areas of the globe will become drier, and the wet will become wetter - this meaning if a change was made the food would be distributed unevenly throughout the world.

In any regard, cannibalism is out of the picture due to the norms of society, and people won't change to become vegans quick enough. I believe that the world will be engulfed by something that will decimate the population within just a couple of decades. Perhaps a plague, or a world war III.
#145 to #144 - astarothaufromage (07/31/2013) [-]
There are alternatives. Like genetic manipulation, synthetic fertilizer and such. That's not a change we can make overnight but it's certainly not impossible.
#148 to #145 - gerfox (07/31/2013) [-]
Of course, something has to be done - and something should be done. However, the side effects of genetic manipulation and such are somehow undocumented and the prices are high. It might only be the rich people of the west who will be able to afford this regardless. Creating social problems - and a bigger west-east cleavage.
#149 to #148 - astarothaufromage (07/31/2013) [-]
Expensive? It's expensive because it's not done for mass production yet, that's all. Side effects are something of the past too. We can change just what we want the DNA, no side effects. We can't do everything but we can do things like rice producing vitamin C and make weeds immune for the most common diseases.
#69 - jellyraptorz (07/31/2013) [-]
Its been bugging me for a while who is the woman in this pic ?
#71 to #69 - budva (07/31/2013) [-]
a cunt
#76 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
User avatar #96 to #76 - chiefrunnyjeans (07/31/2013) [-]
She looks like the product of a white Bob Marley having sex with Harry Potter
User avatar #56 - xoyv (07/31/2013) [-]
and cannibalism can even fix problems like overpopulation and not enough space at prisons
#111 to #56 - teenytinyspider (07/31/2013) [-]
Let's not do cannibalism. We already have enough reasons not to trust each other. We don't need to be worried when a neighbor suddenly invites us over for a BBQ.
User avatar #1 - doctornick (07/30/2013) [-]
too bad most rural land is being urbanized for the mass expansion of human society, which means there are less place to grow food
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#20 - AnonymousDonor (07/31/2013) [-]
okay i've been pitching this one for awhile now and everyone thinks its a joke (and it did start out that way but) i was watching the lion king one day and realized whats the easiest way to get tons of cheap easy food to tons of people?   
			*******		 bugs man - high in protein, very easily obtained, all diseases cooked right out, and with the right seasonings would probably taste better than most staple foods   
and yet every time i bring up the possibility everyone thinks i'm joking so will someone please point out to me what the problem is with that? because i keep going over it in my head and it just makes more and more sense..
okay i've been pitching this one for awhile now and everyone thinks its a joke (and it did start out that way but) i was watching the lion king one day and realized whats the easiest way to get tons of cheap easy food to tons of people?

******* bugs man - high in protein, very easily obtained, all diseases cooked right out, and with the right seasonings would probably taste better than most staple foods

and yet every time i bring up the possibility everyone thinks i'm joking so will someone please point out to me what the problem is with that? because i keep going over it in my head and it just makes more and more sense..
#74 to #20 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
******** of people are already eating insects. Like regularly. Anon can't post links, but google 'QI insect sweets' for a nice and informative Youtube clip. Then get hooked on QI.
User avatar #90 to #20 - sekretguyy (07/31/2013) [-]
Actually, the UN is already trying to use insects, bugs, etc. to feed many 3rd world countries
User avatar #25 to #20 - zorororonoa (07/31/2013) [-]
Also, very plentiful. I don't think there will be a shortage of bugs anytime soon.
#73 - dontknowmeatall (07/31/2013) [-]
Veganism is killing more plants. Plants give us oxygen. Veganism is going to asphyxiate us.
User avatar #88 to #73 - alltimetens ONLINE (07/31/2013) [-]
You're killing plants one way or the other. You actually have to feed the livestock to a certain degree...
#109 to #88 - teenytinyspider (07/31/2013) [-]
Not a problem if people would go back to feeding livestock, such as cows, more grass. They would eat seeds of various plants and then poop 'em back out and new plants will grow!
User avatar #110 to #109 - alltimetens ONLINE (07/31/2013) [-]
Not if you kill them first.
#152 to #110 - dontknowmeatall (07/31/2013) [-]
Yo don't know how many times a cow poops in her life before being killed, right?
User avatar #153 to #152 - alltimetens ONLINE (08/01/2013) [-]
It's not like I was joking, or anything.
#155 to #153 - dontknowmeatall (08/01/2013) [-]
I was joking first and you started getting all tech. Don't weep.
#134 - adolfwascorrect (07/31/2013) [-]
Real solution to our problems.
#117 - anon (07/31/2013) [-]
Veganism is dangerous unless you take pills and **** . Thats natures way of saying its ******* stupid. Humans are meant to eat meat, a person deciding to ot eat meat wont suddenly bring the dead pork chop back to life.
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