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#5 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
Okay, hear me out on this one: I can live with gay people, they are born that way imho, and have nothing against them. But the whole transgender and crossdresing-thing? Really? If (DISCLAIMER: Old joke is old) someone would claim to be in the wrong body because he is a penguin/Napoleon/tree/planet/God at heart, people would call him crazy and he would probably get diagnosed with personality disorder, but when somebody claims to be a woman in a man's body we gotta respect that?
No, that I ain't agreeing on.
/rant
User avatar #153 to #5 - konradkurze (07/21/2013) [-]
some people are gay on the reason they feel they are the wrong gender and want to be in the position of the opposite gender

people used to claim homosexuality was a mental disorder, youre youre saying "not all gays are mental, just the transgenders"
User avatar #418 to #153 - PlagueDoctor (07/21/2013) [-]
Well, yes, exactly! Isn't being gender A (be it male or female) and claiming to be gender B the ultimate form of not accepting yourself the way you are? This is really such hypocrisy:
-Omg, I'm ugly, Imma put an inch thick layer of make-up on and get a boobjob!
-Noooooo! Don't you are amazing just the way you are! Really, you are beautiful just like this.

And then you have

-OMG, I'm a woman trapped in a male's body! Imma go wear female clothing, get surgery and become Francisca instead of Frank!
-You go girl! You are so brave, yeaaaah!

Aren't those FJ's favourite double standarts?
And weither homosexuality is something you're born with or not, I'm not going to argue about if even our scientist don't know. I think it is though.
User avatar #421 to #418 - konradkurze (07/21/2013) [-]
well theres double standards all through life

gays and gender issues are that way because they were born that way, but society bitches if they act out their natural impulses.....but its okay for people to play dress up for chosen lifestyles

"hey look, Frank is dressed up like a woman, wut a fag......bleat bleat sexual insults........oh hey Nigel the wigger dressed up like a black guy, Sup Niggah?"
User avatar #79 to #5 - myrtille (07/20/2013) [-]
I don't really understand why you care. If somebody born as a man wants to be a woman, who are you to tell him that's not okay?
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not healthy or normal.
User avatar #115 to #79 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
I don't care and I don't judge. Merely giving my opinion on the matter.
User avatar #11 to #5 - teun (07/20/2013) [-]
But a lot of people are female, but only one human was napoleon, and not a single human has been a tree, a planet or god
#276 to #11 - devout feminist (07/21/2013) [-]
but not a single male has been female

Are you honestly that stupid? Do you not see the logical fallacy in your argument? You arbitrarily limited it to people and their traits. What's stopping me from going more specific: not all humans are humans because some humans dont have hair while others do; or less specific: some humans are actually piles of dog shit because a lot of objects in the universe are feces
#267 to #11 - noonecares (07/21/2013) [-]
Your comparison is unfair. You limit your reasoning to just gender. Using your logic, he could say:

But a lot of organisms are trees, therefore it is possible that a human was born in the wrong body and is really a tree.

User avatar #40 to #11 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
That really doesn't change anything, now does it? You are still claiming to be someone trapped in the "wrong body".
User avatar #54 to #40 - captainfuckitall (07/20/2013) [-]
Have you ever felt bad about your body, such as having pimples, or being too short, or having a smaller penis than you would like, or having some other type of physical defect that made you incredibly self conscious?

There is no difference between hating a part of your body/wanting it gone and wanting to be in a different body. By saying it's not healthy to identify as a different gender, it's equally not healthy to identify with wanting a clean face or large penis
User avatar #67 to #54 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
Not being able to come to terms with your physical shortcommings and developing complexes because of them is NOT HEALTHY. It is in essence not accepting the fact that you are not ideal, and that you have flaws. If you as a person have problems with self-acceptance then this is a huge deal you have to work on, because it will seriously affect your happiness. But there are two ways of doing that (staying with the "physical shortcommings" example): you can either work on accepting yourself the way you are, and stay rational in changing a few things (fe. get a haircut, improve your diet, start lifting...) or you can do the unnatural thing and go to a plastic surgeon. Now if you are a burn-victim, this obviously doesn't apply, but I do know a few people (my mom's friends) who did plastic surgery and none of them was happy in the end. This eventually lead to getting more surgery, becomming less happy and getting surgery again. So in the end, their complexes were even bigger than they were in the beginning.
User avatar #70 to #67 - captainfuckitall (07/20/2013) [-]
I never replied to a deleted comment before...
User avatar #72 to #70 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, sorry about that, posted it before finishing. This one is exactly the same with one added sentence.
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User avatar #69 to #65 - captainfuckitall (07/20/2013) [-]
But isn't it more severe in the case of transgenders? I have a transgender friend (female to male) who hated himself for years and years because he didn't understand why he felt the way he did, and in order to try and be normal he did every girly thing he possibly could and was constantly abused by the boyfriends he had, and just took it because he felt it was the best way to feel pretty and loved (nor does his father accept him).

Now, surely you would not say that is the same emotional stress that comes from having pimples? Furthermore, your pimples eventually go away. He will never feel like he is comfortable in his body. So it's as simple as that, imagine you hate nearly every part of your body and want it changed, then imagine it will never go away and you have to live with it for the rest of your life

Would you honestly claim that such a complex over your appearance THEN is not healthy?
User avatar #419 to #69 - PlagueDoctor (07/21/2013) [-]
Well, such a complex over your appearance is indeed not healthy, weither you're obsessed with your small boobs, tiny dick, ginger hair or, in fact, being a girl. Most people (MOST) who feel like this come from a difficult childhood trauna somehow related to the complex in question, or to appearance or acceptance in general. I think there are less extreme ways to heal this, but if it makes the person happy, I'm all for live and let live.
User avatar #422 to #419 - captainfuckitall (07/21/2013) [-]
Very well then, we shall simply agree to disagree, and know that the best mode of life is to allow what makes you happy without infringing upon the rights of another
User avatar #44 to #40 - teun (07/20/2013) [-]
dude do you really compare those things or are you just trying to be a troll
User avatar #46 to #44 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
I am 100% serious because in essence it is completely the same. You are X but claim to be Y trapped in the body of X.
In my eyes this isn't healthy anymore.
#48 to #46 - teun (07/20/2013) [-]
yeah okay.
<--- pic relevant
User avatar #95 to #48 - wliia (07/20/2013) [-]
That sort of thing just makes you look like an idiot that actually has no way to respond to his argument.

I don't agree with what he's saying, but it's not a horrible position to have.
User avatar #52 to #48 - PlagueDoctor (07/20/2013) [-]
That is such a weak "argument" (if it can be called that), man. Way to go if you have nothing to defend your point with.
User avatar #6 to #5 - siridontcare (07/20/2013) [-]
And your pic is extremely relevant.
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