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#84 - thebritishguy
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(07/13/2013) [-]
This is my school, it's pretty good but it's all religious
#417 to #84 - anon
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(07/14/2013) [-]
Wow, you have a lot of faith schools in England, don't you?
#420 to #417 - thebritishguy
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(07/14/2013) [-]
1/3 state schools in England is a faith school, sucks balls.
#367 to #84 - anon
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(07/13/2013) [-]
Bishops Stortford FTW! I went to Hockerill but all the schools in the area are pretty decent
#359 to #84 - anon
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I've played BDJ 4DM1Nton there. Freezing cold sports hall, rock hard flooring. Seemed like an ok school though
#337 to #84 - anon
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holy ****, you are from Bishops Stortford? I've never seen anyone else from here on the internet so far.
#227 to #84 - xsap
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next time you go to school, i dare you to ask his question
#404 to #227 - thebritishguy
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I remember once they put me on segregation and after 5 hours I started getting a bit crazy so I wrote a load of gibberish but I also wrote "I think religion is like a penis, you can have one and that's fine, but don't show it in public and don't shove it down childrens throats."
I had to read it out in front of all the teachers later on, it was the worst thing ever.
#437 to #404 - voidekatwo
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I would have been honoured to read that out in front of 30+ religious kids and a teacher.
#439 to #437 - thebritishguy
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You are the hero that bishop deserves
I joined the debating society a few years later and we spend a lot of time debating religion there, it's a lot of fun
#440 to #439 - voidekatwo
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(07/14/2013) [-]
I wish we had one of those I love debating religion, this thread is going to get me a **** load of red thumbs xD
#441 to #440 - thebritishguy
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(07/14/2013) [-]
I doubt anyone is going to see it, it's old content now.
You can go on facebook but I wouldn't advise going on the religion board because there are trolls everywhere and you can walk away with -30 thumbs on a comment unless it's about poncake or shrek or something dumb
#97 to #84 - krobeles
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I may be biased here, but how can a school be good when its religious?
Dosen't the entire 'religion' thing, reject the entire 'education' thing?
#406 to #97 - thebritishguy
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There are religious schools which only teach religion and have there own curriculum, I would agree that those schools can not be good, but most faith schools have to follow the curriculum so you're taught like in any other school except R.E is compulsory and you have to go to long assemblies and chant ********
#311 to #97 - anon
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I went to Catholic school (in the US). My education far exceeded that of my friends in public school. Im an atheist now, but they did good by me. Even learned evolution
#310 to #97 - oceanfrank ONLINE
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Damn *****, did you even pass middle school? Even my dumb American redneck education even taught me that Christianity brought about the first Universities.
#307 to #97 - fredthemilkman
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#218 to #97 - SgtBaha
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#139 to #97 - theshadowed
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#128 to #97 - LtMcG
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A religious school is still entitled to teach the required subjects as deemed by the department of education in the state the school resides in. This means they cannot openly decide not teach things like evolution, biology, calculus, etc. They can however, add more courses to the students current requirements in order to graduate specifically from that school. For example, in many Catholic high schools, students will have taken 2 years of Christian studies, 1 year of Jewish studies, and 1 year of Islamic studies.

The exclusive schools in America are actually the religious ones. They have the highest graduation rate and are the biggest feeders into America's Ivy League schools. Furthermore, they generate the most scholarships.
#110 to #97 - MrDeadiron
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Are you retarded? You do know some of if not most of the finest learning institutions in this country are Christian or religious in some manner.
#124 to #110 - theantidote
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Sorry but it is a perfectly viable question when it comes to the argument of evolution etc.
#131 to #124 - MrDeadiron
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christian schools recognize evolution so...
#136 to #131 - theantidote
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Well we all know how crooked the Christian community has a reputation of being, so for someone who has not experienced a Christian schooling system or someone already in it, then I think it is a fair question, Christians have done worse things than screw up education so why not..
#137 to #136 - MrDeadiron
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uhm no they haven't clearly you're not only ignorant of history you're ignorant of current events
#148 to #137 - theantidote
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Okay, we talking history first..kay
"Christian Civilization is the bloodiest and most violent of all civilizations in all of history"
During the periods alone of the Arians, Donatists and Albigensian heresies millions were tortured and killed..I don't really need to go into detail about the crusades, I'm sure you know what I am talking about, you know, the mass killing of those who differed from opinion (majority Jews, Orthodox Christians, Muslims etc etc)
"According to Daniel Chirot, the Biblical account of Joshua and the Battle of Jericho was used to justify the genocide of Catholics during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland."
Then you have all the issues arising from the Protestant Reformation which seen mass religious conflict in Britain alone
You get the idea...So, current affairs
How about gay marriage, saying that it's not just homosexuals, it's anyone who has a difference of opinion, they have arbitrary rules intolerant to certain groups especially. You have all the scientific mumbo-jumbo such as stem cell research getting held back. And of course the complete irrationality when trying to argue a point, whereas they use irrational arguments being claimed as true without any accountability
tl;dr - Christians have a rich history of crookedness through the ages all the way to the present, at least they aren't as bad currently
Maybe the only ignorant one here is you...
#375 to #148 - Anemophobia
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I think you are looking for the atheist page where they will agree with whatever you are saying as long as you bash religion ie: Christians
#297 to #148 - anon
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Most violent, or most successful? Ask yourself that. Christianity was a large over-arching community that expanded across dozens of countries. It can not be exclusively blamed for the wars that were fought in it's name. But so many countries did fight in it's name that it is stained by the reputation as a bloody religion. It was a religion founded in possibly the bloodiest and most violent area of the world. It cannot simply be peaceful when every early believer had fought in at least one or two wars themselves. If you view it objectively then you realize that it's beliefs and customs were shaped by a lot of popular opinion and established traditions beforehand. The ideas of it's founding(vows of poverty, service, peace, and acceptance) were pretty great, but then you see further works from a few hundred years later at least that start condemning homosexuality and so on. The community is warped and the message corrupted. No one gets what it's about. It's a terrible mess.
#161 to #148 - BoSvNCR
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Interesting how none of that has anything to do with Christians hindering education in America.   
Or any other country
Interesting how none of that has anything to do with Christians hindering education in America.
Or any other country
#165 to #161 - theantidote
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I quote "Christians have done worse things than screw up education so why not.." then the reply "uhm no they haven't...." So no it has no view on the education aspect, but he didn't ask that
#155 to #148 - MrDeadiron
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oh and if you think the only war crimes during the crusades were committed by christians then you clearly have a weak historical knowledge
#163 to #155 - theantidote
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The crusades were started by the Christians, well Roman Catholics I believe. So although I am sure there are war crimes involved in this, the whole "holy war" **** started with them anyway
And to add to your other post, violence is not just a human thing either, violence is observed in many species other than our own
#178 to #163 - doubledisme
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dude I hate to be "That Guy" but almost every single religion started a "Holy War" at one point or another.
and education is simply learning things right?
and during the crusades is when Europe learned how to do **** good (making maps ,navigation transport, etc)
so really they didn't hinder it ...they sorta boosted it...
#181 to #178 - theantidote
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As I have just posted below, when I refer to the Crusade, I am talking about the roman catholic movement. I am not trying to spark a debate on which religion had it right and which is better
During WW2, Nazi doctors cut open alive pregnant Jewish women to learn about how a baby lives in the womb etc, doesn't make it a good thing
#317 to #181 - oceanfrank ONLINE
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Antidote, just ******* stop. Christianity is not the worst thing to happen to this world, it is just 1 religion out of many and all religions have done bad things, religion was made by HUMANS and is controlled by HUMANS and HUMANS REALLY dont like to be wrong and so they fight kind of like how you're defending your points of view on something you see "right" only they take it way more seriously. Just please, stop arguing because you're ******* wrong.
#318 to #317 - theantidote
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You need to keep up, this was a couple of hours ago, I have well in truly stopped by now..
I defend my point simply because it is a debate where people are able to voice their own opinion and see the results from everyone else
People like you are counter productive in debates like these, where you are unwilling to even look at a persons views before shutting them down, too bad you were late huh
#320 to #318 - oceanfrank ONLINE
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Yeah too bad huh? Just thought you should know, religion isn't something to hate, it's the people who run it.
#321 to #320 - theantidote
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I personally dislike religion, not for the people just how I feel and I appreciate that a minority doing bad will always outshine a majority doing good
#190 to #181 - doubledisme
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dam forgot to put down "...for the wrong reasons" at the end of that ( I was also talking about the roman catholic crusade)
and now im **** outta luck
im speaking from a neutral view point here man
and as you posted below "The Christians were much in the same positions as the Germans during WW2, I'm sure they didn't want to massacre millions of people, however with someone like Hitler that at the helm of a party/movement/religion they can be talked into anything."
they had a major foul up and tried (in my opinion still treing) to fix it
its a stereotype that every catholic is against modern science.
#200 to #190 - theantidote
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The religion themselves are against some aspects of modern science, however I don't really know what the actual views of the followers of the religion are in all honesty. I just know that the religions on a whole have a more negative effect than a positive one on advances in science
But yeah you are completely right about other holy wars being sparked for the wrong reasons, they all seem to think the same way of getting rid of the people that don't think the same as them
#207 to #200 - doubledisme
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so my mom is religious and I was talking to the priest of her church
on biology he said "its just a way to help understand god and our universe"
so I assume this is the major view point
#216 to #207 - theantidote
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Well people of every religion generally say that we shouldn't be doing what only God should have the power to do, such as give life etc.
Well I think it is pretty much a necessity regardless of your religion to have the right to every shred of knowledge possible from your education, and then you can make your own mind up
#224 to #216 - doubledisme
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....I sorta agree with them....
look at the atomic bomb
#228 to #224 - theantidote
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I think the atom bomb is merely a weapon of status really, if they were to really start a nuclear war then we would all pretty much be in the same boat.
There are aspects of it I agree with, but in the cases of abortion, stem cell research and euthanasia (in severe cases) I am pretty much against. I believe we all have a choice in this world to forge our own path and there shouldn't be someone else to hold us back, and in the case of God, if he does exist, he made us with free will for a reason
#235 to #228 - doubledisme
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so im liking this debate (because there is no stupid juvenile name calling )
so im going to do this last bit should you wish to continue pm me
but in my opinion the bomb has something alittle more symbolic than it being any weapon (look at all that **** with Iran and NK not to mention the cold war)
with abortion im mixed becuse on one hand they are killing a baby that might change the world and on the other if some person is really willing to kill their own child then parhaps they shouldn't have it .
Stem Cell research im all for it turns a bad(ish) thing into a good thing
and yea we do have free will but abuseing it wont make the world better so that is why I sometimes tune in to the religious mumbo-jumbo from time to time
as I said this will be my last comment here pm me or have a good day buddy (no sarcasm)
#444 to #235 - luky
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(07/14/2013) [-]
Have you seen the movie Religulous?
#177 to #163 - BoSvNCR
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I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying that violence is human exclusive but the capacity of violence you accuse Christians of is seen throughout history by just about every group imaginable
#175 to #163 - MrDeadiron
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no it didnt holy wars had been going on since the concept of religion came to be
also muslim leaders before the crusades had been slaughtering the followers of indigenous religions in the middle east for centuries in the name of allah
and lets be honest the muslims started their crusades or jihads into europe and africa as well as other parts of the middle east way before the europeans
#179 to #175 - theantidote
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The "First Crusade" was the military expedition led by Pope Urban II (not literally). When someone refers to the crusades, this is what they are usually referring
I am not arguing for any religion in particular, don't think I am straight up knocking the Christians because I am against them, just that is what is the context of the original post
#185 to #179 - MrDeadiron
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when i said crusade I meant holy wars in the general not just "The Crusades" and those crusades were launched to turn back muslim aggression that had been going on for centuries, also and more importantly to capture vital trade routes between europe and the far east
and im not for any religion either im just a big fan of history and when someone says that one civilization was the most ruthless of all its a clear indicator that theyve been schooled in a very biased manner
oh and about what you said before about homosexuals being disputed against by christians its mostly the back water followers and branches of Christianity that do those things, in the your openly gay in most muslim countries youll be beaten and possibly murder
#193 to #185 - theantidote
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Again I am not comparing religions, if homosexuality was that accepted then why is it taking so much effort to get such a simple thing such as marriage legalised? I know there are extremists out there as with any religion but as a whole Christianity is not accepting of homosexuality
Maybe an over-exaggeration on the most part, however it is undeniable they were responsible for an unspeakable amount of deaths and violence throughout history
#199 to #193 - MrDeadiron
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the rason gay marriage is so hard to get through is because most politicians are sneaky, underhanded, douches that would do anything for more votes
so if there were only one more bigot than homosexual the politicians would go for the bigots
also you have to think of it this way most people arent homosexual and most dont care because it doesn't affect them
#210 to #199 - theantidote
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Urgh, don't even go there with politicians! haha
We (UK) have been pushing to get gay marriage legalised, the PM is for it but you have the normal bunch such as the BNP against. Hopefully this should push it through
The problem being that marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony, so if the gay marriage was already accepted by the church this wouldn't be a problem
I believe the last population I read for it was about 3-4million out of the UK's population are LGBT. So it is a very valid point
#217 to #210 - MrDeadiron
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im glad we could find something we both hate
the thing is you dont need a religious marriage you can just get a civil marriage which is just as fine
#220 to #217 - theantidote
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Yeah, that's always safe common ground
You're right in a way, I just think the homosexual community as a whole doesn't want to be distinguished from at all, in my opinion, if they were to have all the same rights, next of kin and all the healthcare issues in America (I think there is something against couples in a civil partnership from using each others health insurance?) then there would be no benefit to be married than be in a civil partnership
#172 to #163 - BoSvNCR
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Yes because all Christians supported the Holy Wars and it wasn't just the Pope and other various Lords taking advantage of and spreading fear throughout a weak and flawed feudal society not much after the fall of Rome
#176 to #172 - theantidote
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The Christians were much in the same positions as the Germans during WW2, I'm sure they didn't want to massacre millions of people, however with someone like Hitler that at the helm of a party/movement/religion they can be talked into anything.
I am not saying the pope was like hitler, don't really know much about him to be fair, however Hitler had everyone under him in the palm of his hand and they did whatever was asked of them without question, this is where the off topic analogy comes from
#182 to #176 - BoSvNCR
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It's not the same at all as WWII
The Pope called a crusade and the Lords would bring any of their fighting capable serfs(basically slaves) and knights along with them.

But yes Christians are evil because they love killing non believers and are the absolute most violent group in history
#187 to #182 - MrDeadiron
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ha
#186 to #182 - theantidote
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I knew using a WW2 reference would be a bad idea for an analogy, I was mainly just referring to the leadership and the way in which Hitler could manipulate his troops etc
Well a knight pretty much had to do what was told of him during those times or he would be cast out, and a peasant..who would miss a peasant if he were to be executed to make an example of
In all honesty I can't abide any religions when it comes to these aspects, killing for the name of a religion is down right stupid
#153 to #148 - MrDeadiron
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Ok that first statement just shows you havent study the growth of civilization at all I mean just look at the japanese during WW2

violence isnt a cultural or religious thing its a human thing
#113 to #110 - krobeles
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'This country' means an aweful lot of things. Which country are you refering to?
#117 to #113 - MrDeadiron
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well as the comic only mentions 2 countries you can take a guess
#120 to #117 - krobeles
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Between one of those two, this.
I dont want to assume anything though, but i find it hard to believe the statement with both countries, especially Britain.
#129 to #120 - MrDeadiron
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Ok lets take the US for an instant most good colleges are Catholic such as Manhattan and Boston.
On the High School level its not even a competition.
Also on the grade school level private and christian schools are on a much higher academic level than most public grade schools.

Im not even religious, Im just objective enough to realize realities of our current situation. Maybe if you pulled your Fedora out of your ass for an instant you'd realize it too.
#238 to #129 - krobeles
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Dude. I'm not American. I dont care enough about the education of American citizens to read up on it. I was asking a question from a position of ignorance, and you had to show yourself as enough of a cum stain to make me regret that decision.
Thanks, **** face.
#313 to #238 - oceanfrank ONLINE
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Krobeles, just accept this fact, you're a ******* moron for thinking ANY religion would want to eliminate any form of education, especially Christianity.
#339 to #313 - krobeles
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Relax dude.
Would you seriously say that the American christians who are opposed to evolution and critical thinking, aren't trying to do just that?
#438 to #339 - voidekatwo
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This guy actually has a huge point, even if he's being a huge dick about it, so stop thumbing him down.
My mother doesn't have any scientific knowledge whatsoever. She knows maths, english, she's a fine artist, and is very clever when it comes to problem solving. She knows **** about science, her school refused to teach it. Every day I teach her a new scientific fact. She went to a very, VERY catholic school, I imagine it was like a prison in there, but yeah, back then in the times where they caned kids, that's what they were like. Incredibly stubborn about scientific facts.
#357 to #339 - toshietosh
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Christians are pretty much morons when it comes to common sense, but that doesn't really mean they won't be able to teach you **** that comes in textbooks and what not.
And btw not all christians are those hardcore dumbass anti-everything christians.
#350 to #339 - oceanfrank ONLINE
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they're just misinformed, very much like you
#109 to #97 - anon
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Religious schools are better than public schools. I went to a public school from Kindergarten until 8th grade, then a religious school from 9th grade until 12th grade. I can honestly say the religious school was much nicer. It was pretty much exactly the same as the public school except it had religious aspects in it. The curriculum was better. I learned more. It had a way better learning environment. It was just way nicer in every way. There's a reason why you pay a **** ton of money to get into one.
#105 to #97 - theantidote
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Religious schools such as this one still has the same exam boards as every other school in the country (in the UK at least) so they would all be at level footing. The difference with the religious aspect is extended Religious education lessons and in some cases there is a compulsory prayer period through the day
#116 to #105 - krobeles
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Does it still have all the biology, physics and such, that a normal school would? Dosen't the Christians frown on most, if not all of that?
#123 to #116 - theantidote
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Yeah it does, I think they teach about evolution but it is not a compulsory module, they can choose to sit another aspect of the sciences and still pass, however they will still learn everything they need to know about evolution but they wouldn't be tested on it.
It's the same the other way around, I went to a non religious school, there we learnt all about the theories of the age of the earth and the non-evolution stuff, however we were never tested on it
#102 to #97 - theamazinganalidk
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Religion and education are very different. My nephew and nieces go to a christian private school, and it's the only good school in my city. It just depends on how the school is run.