Fuck the Police Legally

evidently it was

but now he paaved the way for me to flip offices off. This place just got a lot more funny.

It's not about flipping a random cop.
It's about sending a message

I am american and i say god bless you sir and everything you do.

I like the police, don't you worry.
Even if some are ******** , it's you guys that are keeping me from getting stabbed in the night and fining my occasionally drunk *** neighbours.

All the best. My brother is with a female copper and apparently she got king hit out on the town one night (in uniform) and had to have a metal plate put in her head. She's still a copper

Cheers, and props to her. It's not easy being a female cop. We have to act strong and confidant while understanding that we're simply not built to take on men twice our size.

he`s not protecting him or his wife he`s protecting corporate interests and government and himself

If you flip off a cop in germany you can get arrested, receive ******* fines for insulting police personnel and if you have your driver's license for less than 2 years it may get canceled.
Also if you flip off other drivers, the last point applies as well.

It's not a crime to be stupid or a jerk. And it shouldn't be. I'm surprised people even thought it's just to lock people up for doing it.

I'm not saying arrest them, just fine them. $20 per case of being an ******* . I know it's not a crime, but there should be a punishment for being a piece of **** .

So, simply steal from them? Because you don't like something they do?

You're generalizing. Why is it wrong to promote being nice?

I don't mean to generalize, only call it what it is.

It's perfectly alright to promote being nice. You can persuade people to be nice all day long. But I'm just saying it's wrong to ticket someone for being a jerk--which is basically giving them a paper saying "pay us or else". You're trying to make society nicer--by being worse to people, so it can't be a net gain.

You're being idealogical, not practical. Flipping of a cop is one of the utmost symbols of pure ignorance, and some people need slapped in the face with common sense. Idiots make life harder for the rest of us, and they shouldn't be punished for that?

But aren't you doing the same thing, through use of fines? You're making their life harder. We should make our points through dialogue, reason, and debate--not through violence (which is how fines are backed up and enforced).

Can we force reason and logic? If you can come up with a way to do that, I'm all for it.

I don't know if you can, but I don't think you should. I think we defeat logic and reason by turning to force. By abandoning reason, I think we admit that we're not using reason.

Don't argue with this guy, I got into it with him because he said the first amendment should be repealed because it gives the Westboro baptist church the right to protest.

If there's no line between freedom of speech and ********** , that means you can't verbally ****** someone. Does your freedom of speech say it's okay to threaten to rape someone's child?

Uhm yes it does, Now that doesn't mean I won't get my *** beaten for it. Nor does it mean that if i continually do it over and over I won't get arrested for sexual ********** of a minor. Freedom of speech does not mean you can ****** someone, ********** is something that occurs continually, usually a daily occurrence. Westboro baptist churches are not daily occurrences. they happen every once in a while. Now just cause you are butthurt over the fact that some people in the world are ******** , and you want the government to tell you what to do and wipe your *** for you, doesn't mean that's what is best for everyone else, the less government involved the better.

I'm done with this, you have a completely ****** sense of morality and fairness.

How do i have a ****** sense of morality and fairness, if YOU WANT BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO BE TAKEN AWAY? no I just know that the world isn't fair and that people are ******** and you should just get the **** over it.

NOBODY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HURT SOMEBODY ELSE!

WELL THEY DO GET THE **** OVER IT, WAAH WAAH LIFE'S A BITCH

Church protests

God ******* dammit, nobody said to repeal the first amendment!

Some ******** in suits go in a room and make a law saying "you can't protest a funeral of anybody". Good people, bad people, it doesn't matter. No protesting a funeral. Simple. Now why does this very specific law have to take away anyone's right to opinions? Explain me that without changing the subject, generalizing without explanation, or resorting to insults; nobody has been able to do that so far.

And your definition of generalization is extremely vauge and it almost seems dynamic.

vague*

"You can't protest a funeral anymore"
"why not"
"because its rude"
"So you mean the government has the right to say what we have the right to say or not say?"
"exactly"
"but that's my freedom of speech"
"no it's not"
"Uhm yes it is. you're telling me i can't say something"
"we never said you can't say something"
"you just ******* did"
"when?"
"when you ******* said i can't express my opinion(as wrong as it is)"
"You are free to say what you want to say"
"not according to the law against protesting funerals"
"By George you're right!"
And thats why it Cant ******* work. because it's a direct violation of the first amendment.

The protestor might be that ignorant, but the cops wouldn't go for that.

Is ********** legal? That's just forcefully giving someone your opinion over and over.

flipping someone off once is not ********** that's plain ignorance. Also police don't make the law, they only enforce it, and any cop that says otherwise is on a powertrip.

Where do you draw the line on ********** ?

What do you mean? you mean where do I believe an action becomes harrasment? or when it should have repercussions?

At what point to you does 'exercising free speech' turn into ********** ? Does it ever?

It most certainly does not. you can easily say that every 99percent or nsa or workers strike is harrasment also.

That's so stupid! So you don't think ********** exists!

I never said it doesn't.

I guess force is pretty ****** . But our freedom is gonna be our downfall, we have the freedom to destroy ourselves with idiocy. People are allowed to teach their children stupid stupid things that ruin that child's live - if that's not a crime then I don't know what is. Where can we draw the line without stepping on any toes? There has to be some sort of tough decisions, take everything individually.

I didn't say that I was agreeing with you either. I just don't think that what you said was 'wrong'. Someone's opinion can't be wrong. This sort of proves the point that people are trying to make. It is okay to voice your opinion, and it is also okay to criticize other's opinions.

Then what's your point?

That it's apparent that people don't want to hear what you have to say on the subject.

It doesn't matter what they think of it until they can logically point out where my logic failed. If they can't - or don't attempt to as we see above - you can pretty much ****** that they know I'm right but pretentiously hold on to beliefs that were given to them, like a sentimental item they can't give up. I honestly can't think of what good that does (although I'm sure it serves some purpose, as it's technically a lesson in honesty - to yourself if not others), but it makes me feel good.

You shouldn't punish people for doing something that isn't against the law. That is your flaw.

I feel like what you just said undermines this entire conversation. It's not against the law because we say it's not. The law isn't above us, we create it. If what someone does is wrong - like picketing funerals - it should be illegal. Right now it's not.

Giving a police officer the bird should not be a punishable offence. End of conversation.

You're changing the subject.

Explain

He is using Ubuntu, an operating system. Recognised it from the font used in the adress bar.

Thanks, but I know what Ubuntu is. Actually, using it right now. I just didn't recognize the font

Oh! Nice.
Have a nice day, fellow Linux user.

Cop by choice so you take the opinions that come with the job. Not gay or black by choice. Totally different scenarios there, mate.

Uhh... actually in this case it seems that these two folks DID sue the cops for being ******** . Cops got all butthurt and tried to arrest the guy on trumped-up charges and got negated.

Well randomly flipping people off in traffic is a ******* stupid thing to do.

Hmmm. True that. But I don't think this was all that random. He targeted the cop because he was scanning for speeders. Guess he was trying to make a point.

Yeah because it's so annoying when people do their jobs. Especially when those people's jobs are to save your life.

I've always thought that the speed trap thing was a quick way to generate revenue for the city/county. If the cops wanted to "save lives" by making people slow down, then just post a couple of highly-visible patrol cars or officers at the intersection. They'll slow down. This "job" is not really about saving lives.

Giving fines to people who break the law is their job. Everything else said is just said by people who are mad that they got caught.

Theyll find a way

Aah I wish. Too many people are ******** .

But the wrong people are blamed.

Some times, yeah

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This world sucks.

Eh, only parts of it, really

Oh yea, some parts are amazing and other are beautiful.

Indeed.

So...you should be allowed to manhandle and imprison people for giving you the finger at work?

No thats excessive force, we should be allowed to tell people they are ******* retarded to their face because the majority of them are and cops would be less of an ******* . Its simple people stop acting like children and act like responsible adults and admit what they did cops wouldn't have to be ******** .

Force is force, and the only just force is self-defense of one's self or property. Telling somebody they're an idiot is completely fine. But resorting to the initiation of force is never okay.

Thats why I said no on jacking people up and imprisoning them for flipping cops off, its excessive force if you are going to criticize learn the terms.

Sorry, meant to say "EXCEPT in self-defense."

Here is the thing "excessive" force is the term used when the force you use does not fit the subject action. Don't argue this I deal with it everyday at work

Experience doesn't equal logical consistency, or morality. Which is why we're discussing it. And telling someone not to contend with them about something is viewed as admitting defeat and trying to hide it, so it's best to avoid. But the level of force used isn't what I'm interested in anyway, it's surrounding the moral or immoral use of force that interests me, not how much.

No the civilians are being the babies they flipped off a cop doing his job and when they get a ticket they get butthurt

They flipped them off for trying to catch speeders at an intersection, in Britain its the same with speed cameras, everyone hates them cause every **** wants to speed. stay at the speed limit, no matter how good a driver you are, bad and random **** happens, the speed limits are there to help prevent a random event turning into an accident. ***** .

And you wonder why cops can be dicks because they have to deal with people like that

well the thing is though, I've been pulled over and ticketed for doing 2 over the speed limit simply because my car looked like one of the other cars that were racing, The ticked was quickly dismissed, The cop was actually really nice and put in a good word for me, he said it was more a matter of integrity(okay?) but I know people who have gotten the same thing and have not had the ticket dismissed.

Thats what I said happened

only one way to find out