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The "ancient gesture of insult" is protected by the US Constitution. Nice.

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Flipping Off Police Officers
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gave him the finger. a Federal appeals ceart declared Thursday.
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impending criminal activity."
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intersection in St. Janesville, N. Y. Ewart: was later charged with a violation cot' New Yaks
disorderly conduct statute, but the charges were dismissed en speedy trial grounds.
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officers in July Bill L, but the {hurt cot' Appeals en Thursday erased that decision and
ordered the lawer ceart take up the case again.
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claimed he pulled the couple ever because he believed Ewart: was "trying
get my attention fer reasen." The appeals ceart didn' t buy that explanation, ruling
that the "nearly universal recognition that this gesture is an insult deprives such an
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#2 - yunablade

Reply+27

(07/12/2013)[-]

I hope flipping a random cop was worth the time he wasted going to the court.

#11 to #2 - chcknchsr

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(07/13/2013)[-]

evidently it was

#72 to #2 - bothemastaofall

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(07/13/2013)[-]

but now he paaved the way for me to flip offices off. This place just got a lot more funny.

#81 to #2 - sefyu

Reply0

(07/13/2013)[-]

It's not about flipping a random cop.
It's about sending a message

#3 to #2 - anon id: 7f7dc828

Reply0

(07/13/2013)[-]

It was.

**** the pigs

#43 - darthblam#353 on commentsRank#353

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Sure the cops a dick for trying to arrest the guy over something like that.. and he certainly had no good reason to try to other than to show off his authority.

but did the **** really have to go and flip off a guy for doing his job? A job that is actually meant to protect your way of life I might add.

All in all though, both sides were probably equally douchebag tools.

#71 to #43 - ishalltroll

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(07/13/2013)[-]

If you flip off a cop in germany you can get arrested, receive massive fines for insulting police personnel and if you have your driver's license for less than 2 years it may get canceled.
Also if you flip off other drivers, the last point applies as well.

#68 to #43 - anon id: 70bac82b

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I used to think the same way, but I've seen way too much crime happen where cops don't go. If he really wanted to do his job, he should be out patrolling.

#82 to #43 - timmity

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(07/13/2013)[-]

he`s not protecting him or his wife he`s protecting corporate interests and government and himself

#1 - teranin

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(07/12/2013)[-]

#70 - YaMum

Reply+7

(07/13/2013)[-]

We don't do **** about it in Australia.
The amount of times I get flipped off when I'm patrolling on foot is ridiculous but I've gotten used to it. That being said, I've helped hundreds of people in my 2 years as a constable and having others treat me like that simply because they think I'm some deadbeat cop kind of hurts...
All these cops that manhandle and abuse the public have probably just gotten to the point where they're had enough. I hope to never get to that point but I suppose that's just what life does to people.
Pic semi-related.

#83 to #70 - EdwardNigma

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I like the police, don't you worry.
Even if some are assholes, it's you guys that are keeping me from getting stabbed in the night and fining my occasionally drunk ass neighbours.

#74 to #70 - bustercaller

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(07/13/2013)[-]

All the best. My brother is with a female copper and apparently she got king hit out on the town one night (in uniform) and had to have a metal plate put in her head. She's still a copper

#76 to #74 - YaMum

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Cheers, and props to her. It's not easy being a female cop. We have to act strong and confidant while understanding that we're simply not built to take on men twice our size.

#75 to #70 - giveupnow

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I am american and i say god bless you sir and everything you do.

#77 to #75 - YaMum

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(07/13/2013)[-]

#9 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Can't we fine them for being a stupid idiot? I don't see why laws have to ignore common sense so much.

#13 to #9 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

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#14 to #13 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I'm not saying arrest them, just fine them. $20 per case of being an asshole. I know it's not a crime, but there should be a punishment for being a piece of ****.

#15 to #14 - douthit

Reply+5

(07/13/2013)[-]

So, simply steal from them? Because you don't like something they do?

#16 to #15 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You're generalizing. Why is it wrong to promote being nice?

#17 to #16 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I don't mean to generalize, only call it what it is.

It's perfectly alright to promote being nice. You can persuade people to be nice all day long. But I'm just saying it's wrong to ticket someone for being a jerk--which is basically giving them a paper saying "pay us or else". You're trying to make society nicer--by being worse to people, so it can't be a net gain.

#19 to #17 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You're being idealogical, not practical. Flipping of a cop is one of the utmost symbols of pure ignorance, and some people need slapped in the face with common sense. Idiots make life harder for the rest of us, and they shouldn't be punished for that?

#21 to #19 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

But aren't you doing the same thing, through use of fines? You're making their life harder. We should make our points through dialogue, reason, and debate--not through violence (which is how fines are backed up and enforced).

#23 to #21 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Can we force reason and logic? If you can come up with a way to do that, I'm all for it.

#26 to #23 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I don't know if you can, but I don't think you should. I think we defeat logic and reason by turning to force. By abandoning reason, I think we admit that we're not using reason.

#49 to #26 - crazyhindu

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Don't argue with this guy, I got into it with him because he said the first amendment should be repealed because it gives the Westboro baptist church the right to protest.

#113 to #49 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

If there's no line between freedom of speech and harassment, that means you can't verbally harass someone. Does your freedom of speech say it's okay to threaten to rape someone's child?

#114 to #113 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

Uhm yes it does, Now that doesn't mean I won't get my ass beaten for it. Nor does it mean that if i continually do it over and over I won't get arrested for sexual harassment of a minor. Freedom of speech does not mean you can harass someone, Harassment is something that occurs continually, usually a daily occurrence. Westboro baptist churches are not daily occurrences. they happen every once in a while. Now just cause you are butthurt over the fact that some people in the world are assholes, and you want the government to tell you what to do and wipe your ass for you, doesn't mean that's what is best for everyone else, the less government involved the better.

#116 to #114 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

I'm done with this, you have a completely ****** sense of morality and fairness.

#117 to #116 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

How do i have a ****** sense of morality and fairness, if YOU WANT BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO BE TAKEN AWAY? no I just know that the world isn't fair and that people are assholes and you should just get the **** over it.

#118 to #117 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

NOBODY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HURT SOMEBODY ELSE!

#119 to #118 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

WELL THEY DO GET THE **** OVER IT, WAAH WAAH LIFE'S A BITCH

#115 to #114 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

Church protests

#98 to #49 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

God ******* dammit, nobody said to repeal the first amendment!

Some assholes in suits go in a room and make a law saying "you can't protest a funeral of anybody". Good people, bad people, it doesn't matter. No protesting a funeral. Simple. Now why does this very specific law have to take away anyone's right to opinions? Explain me that without changing the subject, generalizing without explanation, or resorting to insults; nobody has been able to do that so far.

#103 to #98 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

And your definition of generalization is extremely vauge and it almost seems dynamic.

#104 to #103 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

vague*

#102 to #98 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

"You can't protest a funeral anymore"
"why not"
"because its rude"
"So you mean the government has the right to say what we have the right to say or not say?"
"exactly"
"but that's my freedom of speech"
"no it's not"
"Uhm yes it is. you're telling me i can't say something"
"we never said you can't say something"
"you just ******* did"
"when?"
"when you ******* said i can't express my opinion(as wrong as it is)"
"You are free to say what you want to say"
"not according to the law against protesting funerals"
"By George you're right!"
And thats why it Cant ******* work. because it's a direct violation of the first amendment.

#105 to #102 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

The protestor might be that ignorant, but the cops wouldn't go for that.

Is harassment legal? That's just forcefully giving someone your opinion over and over.

#106 to #105 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

flipping someone off once is not harassment that's plain ignorance. Also police don't make the law, they only enforce it, and any cop that says otherwise is on a powertrip.

#107 to #106 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

Where do you draw the line on harassment?

#108 to #107 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

What do you mean? you mean where do I believe an action becomes harrasment? or when it should have repercussions?

#109 to #108 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

At what point to you does 'exercising free speech' turn into harassment? Does it ever?

#110 to #109 - crazyhindu

Reply0

(07/14/2013)[-]

It most certainly does not. you can easily say that every 99percent or nsa or workers strike is harrasment also.

#111 to #110 - demandsgayversion

Reply0

(07/14/2013)[-]

That's so stupid! So you don't think harassment exists!

#112 to #111 - crazyhindu

(07/14/2013)[-]

I never said it doesn't.

#28 to #26 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I guess force is pretty ******. But our freedom is gonna be our downfall, we have the freedom to destroy ourselves with idiocy. People are allowed to teach their children stupid stupid things that ruin that child's live - if that's not a crime then I don't know what is. Where can we draw the line without stepping on any toes? There has to be some sort of tough decisions, take everything individually.

#41 to #28 - inject

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I didn't say that I was agreeing with you either. I just don't think that what you said was 'wrong'. Someone's opinion can't be wrong. This sort of proves the point that people are trying to make. It is okay to voice your opinion, and it is also okay to criticize other's opinions.

#44 to #41 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Then what's your point?

#45 to #44 - inject

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(07/13/2013)[-]

That it's apparent that people don't want to hear what you have to say on the subject.

#46 to #45 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

It doesn't matter what they think of it until they can logically point out where my logic failed. If they can't - or don't attempt to as we see above - you can pretty much assume that they know I'm right but pretentiously hold on to beliefs that were given to them, like a sentimental item they can't give up. I honestly can't think of what good that does (although I'm sure it serves some purpose, as it's technically a lesson in honesty - to yourself if not others), but it makes me feel good.

#96 to #46 - inject

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You shouldn't punish people for doing something that isn't against the law. That is your flaw.

#97 to #96 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I feel like what you just said undermines this entire conversation. It's not against the law because we say it's not. The law isn't above us, we create it. If what someone does is wrong - like picketing funerals - it should be illegal. Right now it's not.

#99 to #97 - inject

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(07/14/2013)[-]

Giving a police officer the bird should not be a punishable offence. End of conversation.

#100 to #99 - demandsgayversion

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(07/14/2013)[-]

You're changing the subject.

#18 to #16 - weinerdick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Fining =/= promotion

#20 to #18 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

It's a detourant

#22 to #20 - weinerdick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

It's not a deterrent, it's a fine for voicing your opinion, and THAT'S HOW CENSORSHIP HAPPENS

#24 to #22 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You're generalizing.

#25 to #24 - weinerdick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

It's not generalizing.
You're wrong, and I hope you're smart enough to realize why you're wrong.

#27 to #25 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You're not even discussing anymore, you're throwing a tantrum.

#29 to #27 - weinerdick

Reply0

(07/13/2013)[-]

Clearly you're too stupid to understand what anything I say means, so it's not worth it.
(pssst, this is actually closer to a tantrum)

#30 to #29 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You're insulting my intelligence and grammar, not arguing my point. You never explained why what you said wasn't generalizing or offered a sensible alternative.

#31 to #30 - weinerdick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You never offered an explanation on how what I said was generalizing, either.
Censorship is what happens when someone has a problem with what someone says. The offend-er is silenced by the offend-ee.
Getting fined for what you say or do (unless it's ******... hitting people. You know what I mean) is EXPENSIVE censorship

#33 to #31 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

You're generalizing because you think that using common sense to punish someone for being an asshole will lead to people being censored for voicing their opinion. That's a ridiculous thought based on petty fear and ignorance. You're saying censorship is a slippery slope. Slippery slope arguments are never rational; you know what else was a slippery slope? Interracial marriage. "WITHIN FIVE YEARS WE'LL SEE PEOPLE MARRYING DOGS AND CATS AND OH NO EVEN CHILDREN AND THEN RAPE WILL BE LEGALIZED....." and so on and so on. There is no slippery slope, only ignoring of common sense.

#34 to #33 - weinerdick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Think about this:
If you are fined for something (say flipping someone off, as in this case), which costs money or you get yelled at, are you likely to do it again? No.
If you want someone to **** off, but you know you can't say '**** off' without offending someone or being punished for it, are you likely to do it?
No.
That's what censorship is.
It's not some ******* slippery slope ********.
It IS being censored for voicing an opinion. I don't understand how you don't see that.
Common sense is not being punished for being able to do something THAT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

#35 to #34 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

THE GUY IS FLIPPING OFF A COP! THERE'S NO RATIONAL REASON TO DO THIS! I say isolated cases like this should have repercussions. Also look at WBC, that wonderful demonstration of unconditional free speech. Explain to me how "it's illegal to picket funerals" is going to reignite the civil ******* rights movement. Or how about "no hate speech against groups of people (governments and businesses excluded)". Are humans not rational enough to be trusted with the common sense not to escalate simple laws that prevent this stupidity into a communist society?

#36 to #35 - inject

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Will you shut your whore-mouth? You are being irrational and dense.

#37 to #36 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

So you're not going to explain why you think what I said is wrong? You're just going to resort to name calling?

#39 to #37 - inject

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Show me the part where I said that what you were saying was wrong. I can't see it anywhere.

#40 to #39 - demandsgayversion

(07/13/2013)[-]

So you agree with what I'm saying, but you think I'm being irrational and dense?

#38 to #35 - weinerdick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

No, they aren't.
And who cares? At the end of the day, a cop is someone who is a person who could be a major ******* asshole for no reason.
Who in their right mind thinks that someone flipping you off is a reason for you to follow them?
That's damn near road rage, in all honesty.
And picketing a funeral is pretty damn different from flipping someone off.
Granted, they are both free speech, but flipping someone off isn't an attack on their psyche, like protesting a funeral is. If someone who was dear to you died, in all likelihood it can and more than likely will cause everything to come down to violence, whether it be sad one vs protester, or sad one vs their own life.
But you're getting a bit too far off topic here.
The point is, if you attack someone for voicing their opinion, it's censorship.
And to be perfectly fair, the hate speech against minorities thing is kind of for your own protection, because they take offense, and if they take offense, you may find yourself headless in a ditch.
To be perfectly fair, though, that's partially the last vestiges of that political correctness ********.

#42 to #38 - demandsgayversion

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(07/13/2013)[-]

What motivation does the average person have to be nice? If we can't punish rude behavior, can we reward good behavior? That seems way more difficult. People have too much freedom to ruin things for others, and it's because we have that blanket term of OVERALL FREEDOM where we refuse to compartmentalize. Like I said below somewhere, people are allowed to teach their kids ridiculous **** that ruins their lives and reduces their future potential, and that's not a crime?

#32 - happyfucktime

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(07/13/2013)[-]

why are people getting angry about this? people get mad at others and flip them off all the ******* time. Why should a cop be able to imprison you for it and make a big deal out of it? aren't they supposed to be heroic and more moral than the average person? besides they would only be making the person angrier, and it wouldn't solve anything

#78 - anon id: 644f8a3f

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Its ok to flip off and insult a cop (as it should be), but don't dare think about doing that to a gay or black person, that's a hate crime.

This country is so ****** up.

#79 to #78 - doctorgolgo [OP]

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Cop by choice so you take the opinions that come with the job. Not gay or black by choice. Totally different scenarios there, mate.

#84 to #79 - anon id: 644f8a3f

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, there is no constitutional protection from being offended. That is what people have forgotten.

#69 - whiplasher

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(07/13/2013)[-]

**** yeah, Ubuntu.

#80 to #69 - destroyerofcheese

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Explain

#85 to #80 - whiplasher

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(07/13/2013)[-]

He is using Ubuntu, an operating system. Recognised it from the font used in the adress bar.

#87 to #85 - destroyerofcheese

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Thanks, but I know what Ubuntu is. Actually, using it right now. I just didn't recognize the font

#88 to #87 - whiplasher

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Oh! Nice.
Have a nice day, fellow Linux user.

#86 to #85 - destroyerofcheese

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#53 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Can't sue people for being assholes.

#60 to #53 - doctorgolgo [OP]

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Uhh... actually in this case it seems that these two folks DID sue the cops for being assholes. Cops got all butthurt and tried to arrest the guy on trumped-up charges and got negated.

#62 to #60 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Well randomly flipping people off in traffic is a ******* stupid thing to do.

#64 to #62 - doctorgolgo [OP]

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Hmmm. True that. But I don't think this was all that random. He targeted the cop because he was scanning for speeders. Guess he was trying to make a point.

#65 to #64 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Yeah because it's so annoying when people do their jobs. Especially when those people's jobs are to save your life.

#66 to #65 - doctorgolgo [OP]

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(07/13/2013)[-]

I've always thought that the speed trap thing was a quick way to generate revenue for the city/county. If the cops wanted to "save lives" by making people slow down, then just post a couple of highly-visible patrol cars or officers at the intersection. They'll slow down. This "job" is not really about saving lives.

#67 to #66 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Giving fines to people who break the law is their job. Everything else said is just said by people who are mad that they got caught.

#54 to #53 - roflstorm#180 on commentsRank#180

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Theyll find a way

#55 to #54 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Aah I wish. Too many people are assholes.

#56 to #55 - roflstorm#180 on commentsRank#180

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(07/13/2013)[-]

But the wrong people are blamed.

#57 to #56 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Some times, yeah

#58 to #57 - roflstorm#180 on commentsRank#180

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(07/13/2013)[-]

................

This world sucks.

#59 to #58 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Eh, only parts of it, really

#61 to #59 - roflstorm#180 on commentsRank#180

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Oh yea, some parts are amazing and other are beautiful.

#63 to #61 - Kairyuka

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Indeed.

#5 - defender

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(07/13/2013)[-]

So they flipped him off for doing his job? How would they like it if I came to their job and flipped them off, people are such babies

#12 to #5 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

So...you should be allowed to manhandle and imprison people for giving you the finger at work?

#89 to #12 - defender

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(07/13/2013)[-]

No thats excessive force, we should be allowed to tell people they are ******* retarded to their face because the majority of them are and cops would be less of an asshole. Its simple people stop acting like children and act like responsible adults and admit what they did cops wouldn't have to be assholes.

#90 to #89 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Force is force, and the only just force is self-defense of one's self or property. Telling somebody they're an idiot is completely fine. But resorting to the initiation of force is never okay.

#91 to #90 - defender

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Thats why I said no on jacking people up and imprisoning them for flipping cops off, its excessive force if you are going to criticize learn the terms.

#92 to #91 - douthit

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#94 to #92 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Sorry, meant to say "EXCEPT in self-defense."

#93 to #92 - defender

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Here is the thing "excessive" force is the term used when the force you use does not fit the subject action. Don't argue this I deal with it everyday at work

#95 to #93 - douthit

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(07/13/2013)[-]

Experience doesn't equal logical consistency, or morality. Which is why we're discussing it. And telling someone not to contend with them about something is viewed as admitting defeat and trying to hide it, so it's best to avoid. But the level of force used isn't what I'm interested in anyway, it's surrounding the moral or immoral use of force that interests me, not how much.

#6 to #5 - anon id: ec10c239

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(07/13/2013)[-]

except at their job, they can't charge you, ticket you, or arrest you for flipping you off.

If anyone is a baby, it was the two officers. Just because people are rude does not mean you have to make up something to get revenge. That's just as petty, if not more so.

#7 to #6 - defender

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(07/13/2013)[-]

No the civilians are being the babies they flipped off a cop doing his job and when they get a ticket they get butthurt

#8 to #7 - handyrick

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(07/13/2013)[-]

They flipped them off for trying to catch speeders at an intersection, in Britain its the same with speed cameras, everyone hates them cause every cunt wants to speed. stay at the speed limit, no matter how good a driver you are, bad and random **** happens, the speed limits are there to help prevent a random event turning into an accident. Cunts.

#10 to #8 - defender

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(07/13/2013)[-]

And you wonder why cops can be dicks because they have to deal with people like that

#48 to #10 - crazyhindu

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(07/13/2013)[-]

well the thing is though, I've been pulled over and ticketed for doing 2 over the speed limit simply because my car looked like one of the other cars that were racing, The ticked was quickly dismissed, The cop was actually really nice and put in a good word for me, he said it was more a matter of integrity(okay?) but I know people who have gotten the same thing and have not had the ticket dismissed.

#50 to #48 - anon id: 8fbb82a6

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(07/13/2013)[-]

you can't get a ticket if you are at or below 5 mph over the speed limit. all you have to do is show up on your court date and they'll drop the fine

#101 to #50 - crazyhindu

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(07/14/2013)[-]

Thats what I said happened

#47 to #5 - DanLacasky

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(07/13/2013)[-]

only one way to find out