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#21 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
I wish people would try and learn what has actually been going on. This scandal only exists because people want their government to be doing something bad and so jumped ignorantly at what initially sounds scary.

They cannot listen to your calls, that's not what metadata is.
User avatar #86 to #21 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
But they can, anon.
User avatar #139 to #86 - samjamfan (07/10/2013) [-]
they could, but they don't, do you know how hard it would be to listen to EVERY ******* phone call?
User avatar #142 to #139 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
They're obviously not going to listen to that. They're automatically being saved and if anyone needs it, they have access to it.
User avatar #241 to #142 - samjamfan (07/11/2013) [-]
only the NSA FBI and CIA not ANYBODY
User avatar #242 to #241 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
Keep telling yourself that.
#96 to #86 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
They can IF they can prove probable cause and get a subpoena from court. Seriously, the only reason this is a scandal is because people don't understand law or simple technology and aren't willing to spend time learning when they can instead just join a crowd of scaremongers.
#221 to #96 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Seriously, i don't understand it myself, but i will study this matter a bit more and return with some better intel. I need to act more careful next time.
User avatar #98 to #96 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
See but that's the thing. NSA doesn't give a **** about that. Of course it's fine to tap someone's phone if they have probable cause, that's completely acceptable. But they don't give a **** .
#107 to #98 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
You have no proof whatsoever that they have broken legal protocol. Nor did any of the documents 'leaked' by Snowden show any sign of illegal activity.
#222 to #107 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
I mean, even if our boys from NSA and CIA found a juristic loophole, it is still moraly wrong and contradicts my strong believe in justice and liberty.
I sincerly fear the diplomatic consequences this affair may cause, because most people won't understand this quite unfair point of view.
User avatar #141 to #107 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
Of course they didn't. They know every law and know how to bend every single one of them. For example it's illegal for the american government to spy on its people. That's why they make sure to spy on the people of Europe and vice versa.
#143 to #141 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
You're simply ignoring facts in favour of keeping these ignorant notions. I have nothing more to add other than that you really ought to try and learn more about the situation.
#223 to #143 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
However my heart and ear is always open to listen to your perspective. Together we may achieve some positive conclusion. I respect your oppinion m8.
User avatar #161 to #143 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
Which facts?
#176 to #161 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
That no evidence of any unlawful action has taken place. That the practices involved did not directly target US nationals. That no phonecalls have been listened to or emails read.

All you have is unsupported hatred for the government for doing something that has no evidence to back it.
User avatar #177 to #176 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
The evidence was in the files leaked by mister Edward Snowden. And of course no unlawful action has taken place, that doesn't mean they didn't do what they did.
#202 to #177 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
;)

You realise that no document Snowden released showed any signs of anything outside of their prescribed legal actions, nor proof of the claims made by the media? They don't and can't legally target US nationals or even anyone on US soil. They monitor foreign stations and as a result of how the internet works they capture lots of data which automatically gets put into the database.

However, this data is metadata - no content, just dates times and things. No phonecalls have been listened to, no emails read.
User avatar #204 to #202 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
As previously stated, America spies on Europe, Europe spies on America, they exchange information. Phones are tapped, especially by England and Germany. E-mails and chats are being archived for further use.
#205 to #204 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Again, to obtain any information court orders have to be issued AFTER having proved probable cause and a need. Email METADATA is archived. Why is this concept so difficult to understand?
User avatar #207 to #205 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
What do you mean? Since when did the FBI ever concern themselves with court orders?
#214 to #207 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Any data that is intercepted by the NSA, including all the data which the media is flaunting about as listening to your phonecalls and reading emails, cannot be used as evidence in law and cannot even be looked at by a human being until a subpoena has been obtained saying that it can be retrieved. A subpoena is only issued if they can prove probable cause, and cannot use any of the data content to prove it. If a subpoena is issues THEN they can request the content of the email or the actual phonelog.
#218 to #214 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Please forgive me, i got those seizures every now and then. I don't know how to stop this.
The gouvernment should really respect our privacy, thats important to me.
#215 to #214 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
However thats beside the point because the PRISM 'program' as the media has been calling it is not in fact a program at all, nor does it target US nationals. PRISM is the database which analysis the huge quantities of data that is intercepted from foreign servers that are being monitored. I stress foreign because they are only legally allowed to target non-US citizens outside of the country. The fact that US citizens data has been logged is a byproduct of the way in which the internet is structured.

It really is worth looking into the technical details around this 'scandal' because it immediately becomes clear how much of a non-issue it really is.
#219 to #215 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
What i am trying to say is, that i am personly not OK with this. Spying our friends and allied countries is just as wrong as targetting out own people. Snowden did a good job revealing what had to be made public. God bless.
#225 to #219 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
I guess when you're too stupid to form a counter-argument trolling is the only option left.
#208 to #207 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Please excuse me, i guess you are right after all. Could not believe the obvious i guess. Thank you very much for your time anyway. I hope that America will see its fault and stop this. Snowden is a hero to me.
User avatar #210 to #208 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
I smell sarcasm, but alright.
#212 to #210 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
No really, your arguements were quite convincing. I don't think the USA should do something that is wrong like this or our allies won't be happy with us anymore. We should care more about our repultation as a democracy in the world and the teachings of our founding fathers.
#216 to #212 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
You're an idiot, troll elsewhere or ass something of value to the discussion.
#220 to #216 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Sorry folks, copy and paste mistake. This was meant for another thread.
Disregard this please. Thanks.
#211 to #210 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Different anon, trolling.
User avatar #226 to #211 - beatmasterz ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
Thought something like that.
#53 to #21 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
Found the NSA Agent
User avatar #138 to #53 - samjamfan (07/10/2013) [-]
they don't actually listen to every ******* phone call. they just archive them if they are needed for evidence and stuff
#180 to #138 - xxxsonic fanxxx (07/10/2013) [-]
except im not a terrorist
User avatar #240 to #180 - samjamfan (07/11/2013) [-]
usually terrorists don't yell "hey everybody, i'm a terrorist arrest me!" so the government needs to do something called investigating
#36 to #21 - pariahlol (07/10/2013) [-]
I like you.
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