Pretty sure that means it's unnatural to drink alcohol and inject penicillin.

But of course I'm only going off what you said.

well is it unnatural, alcohol is a mind altering beverage, and penicillin gets injected, unnaturally penetrating the body

medicines are used in unnatural ways to help the body heal, a small sacrifice doing something unnatural for a reason of fighting sickness or disease
though it is questionable where alot of diseases came from, but going off onto consiracy theories about governments creating them is another argument

people who use substances for no logical reason are even more unnatural, you dont see people injecting penicillin just because theyre bored

The point is to get high, which to many people can be quite an enjoyable experience.

And whether or not something's "natural" doesn't tend to matter anymore. Where would we be if not for man's ability to harness nature for our own personal benefit? I think we're quite a bit better off now than before we developed agriculture.

If you're gonna hate on people who smoke, the artificiality of the practice can't exactly be used as a counterpoint because nearly everything we do is artificial.

yes, so much better to exploit every possible resource for self benefit....its so great when everyones an arrogant ************ thinking of just themselves and fights over who gets priority on the sources of self indulgence

I fail to see how that relates to the point I just made. I'm just telling you that the fact that smoking something is artificial doesn't make it bad because most things we do are "unnatural."

well your logic is " **** common sense, if we do some artificial things we may as well do EVERY artificial thing"

never stop to consider things we currently do or could do, but shouldnt do at all

And to clarify so that you don't take this out of context again, I never said to do "EVERY artificial thing." That's not implied anywhere in my argument. I'm just telling you that your logic is completely flawed.

well humans do enough artificial things they could find other more realistic means to do.....drugs only serve a purpose as an artificial means to get states of being people could get if they did real activities

want a happy buzz...watch a comedy or get some exercise and love the endorphins your own body makes naturally....want to chill out listen to peaceful music or meditate and love the alpha waves......need stress relief...get laid or go to a gym and workout till youre too tired to fuss

So artificial means of enjoyment are only okay so long as you personally agree to them first? Great logic.

And want to make all of those far better than they would be normally? Smoke some weed, then watch comedy and laugh your ass off, listen to some good music and enjoy every damn second of it, get laid and love how everything feels so much better than normal, et cetera. You'll enjoy it way more than you would whilst sober, thereby releasing more endorphins. I assure you that by the end of a day like that you'll be so tired and happy that you'll be unable to get even slightly mad at anything and probably just pass out the second you hit your bed.

yep, and since weed affects the memory...forget half or more of what you did.....

stoners laugh their ass off at pretty much anything, one doesnt need to be actual comedy.....get laid to a girl enough of a loser to screw stoners...enjoy everything more....like how stoners eat chips and almost have an ****** "omfg these chips are so ******* good"......nd sleeping most of the day like a lazy mofo is so productive right?

So someone's a loser just because they so much as associate with stoners? If that's your line of reasoning then I doubt you'll go very far in life?

Am I a loser then? I smoke the stuff infrequently because I like to get high once in a while, I attend college and am pursuing a Physics & Mathematics Degree, came into college with 22 credits already just from high school, have a 3.6 GPA after my first year, and made Dean's list my second semester. I'm also making a decent paycheck with my summer job and would say I'm pretty satisfied with where I'm at in life, yet I'm still working my ass off and trying to teach myself the basics of mechanical engineering in my spare time. I'm also a member of my college's soccer team. Is all this for naught just because I enjoy weed on occasion?

there you go, spinning words

one isnt a loser for associating with stoners, but getting into relationships with them?
ive seen too many people get into that and get stuck in dead ends helping them out with money, food etc
before you rage, i say stoners....you dont live to get high so yorue just a potsmoker....you dont get stoned all the time like stoners do, hence why youre doing better than they are

And I know people who are complete and utter stoners, yet they do as well as I do and are some of the smartest people I've come across at college in some instances. I've also seen plenty of idiot pot smokers who don't really do anything with their lives. If one was to see this sort of thing with an open mind, I believe that they should come to the conclusion that it's not the drug, it's the person. A lot of people are just lazy ***** . Some are hard workers. Whether they smoke pot or not isn't going to affect their drive to succeed unless they get pulled down by other influences.

And bro you've been spinning my words around or at the very least not interpreting them properly for just about this whole argument so don't give me that.

well yes there is that other angle of 'the person' but by majority, since alot of places in western countries support the concept of being lazy ******* ...especially in the areas where welfare is easy to get and stay on, most stoners sit back and **** around their whole lives

mostly its in areas where local ideals are driven towards things, like ome places have a localized culture of intellectuals or workers and they get raised to keep up those traditions, but at the same time use weed hard to relax them as they go

take a look at the numbers of stoners you know, how many succeed compared to those who fail

But how many of those failures come from a background where it's okay to sit on your ass and get high and never accomplish anything?

The weed doesn't make them failures, their lifestyles and their decisions do. Just because someone gets high often doesn't automatically make them a failure, their inability to get their lives on track does. If you think that just because someone is a stoner they're automatically a failure, you need to do a good bit of rethinking before you join the real world.

well, its a case of too many people start young and get into a routine of being relaxed and ******* lazy before they even know what they want to strive for in life, so by the time they get a clue what they want theyre already too far gone to try

most of these successful people already geared themselves up towards a goal and just got into the habit of smoking weed while they went, to keep themselves relaxed while they worked

so its more a case of what do they start doing first....working or smoking

Working or smoking not working. I'll bet I can also find plenty of losers who sit at home all day doing things that aren't smoking and leaching off of hardworking people.

Smoking pot isn't bad. People are bad.

yep and all those losers who arent stoners, but still sit on their ass all day,...usualy have some other vice that they began early in life that robbed them of their motivation

on that side note...all the posers who think ******* around all day long, not paying attention in school or just not going because it doesnt fit their 'image', and end up being unable to get jobs because they plain dont know a ******* thing....yeah they are worse than stoners
******* /wiggers are worse than stoners....

Everyone has their vices. It's all about the drive to succeed.

and that takes a step back to my previous comment...too many who get into the habit of getting stoned and relaxing before they find that drive to succeed in something, generally dont try to succeed

Depends on the vice. I played video games nearly every single day as a kid, devoted tons and tons of time to them, yet for all my slacking I and many other gamers have turned out okay. Same with lots of potheads, you're just biased against them for some reason. Not every pothead is some loser living in a trailer or their mom's basement somewhere, far from it in fact.

well i will admit my family moving down here to new zealand was a bad thing, still dont know ******* why they did it....

one way to compare new zealand high drug use is like a medieval state
theyre a bunch of backwards peasants under the leadership of a ruthless tyrant who lords over the land and keeps people fearful and sad
and like good little peasants, they live with it because thats all theyve ever known, and use substances to relieve the sadness of their lives

plus nz'ers are easily swayed by media....they see so much american movies showing gangstas and stoners as badasses they aspire to be like them, getting high alot and wearing clothes like hiphop stars thinking that playing dress-up actually makes them cool

yeah....living here has given me a harsh outlook of the drug culture
id move to usa to check it out fully but its **** hard enough for ameicans to get work, and since im not from mexico or india, usa wont give me migrant work

No, my logic is "nearly everything we do is artificial already, so saying that something is bad because it's artificial defies common sense because that means nearly everything we do is bad."

I've said this twice to you already, yet you've done nothing to refute it because either you know your logic is flawed or you're not smart enough to see something when it's clearly laid out for you. That or you're a troll, which I'm really starting to believe at this point.

And did you seriously block me just for disagreeing with you?

well mankind has been on a downward spiral of artificial things for a long time, and paying a cost of our own health and welfare and the welfare of the planet

too many people have been brainwashed into thinking of "now now now" relying on artificial things because theyre faster and easier to obtain or acheive

weed is one such thing,...rather than put effort into finding ways to relax or enjoy things, people just choose weed as the quick and easy 'take a puff and youre there' approach

Bro do you even think?

How easy is it to turn on a computer? To push the button to activate your gaming console? To pick up a ******* remote control and turn on your TV? All these things take considerably less effort than taking the time to hit up a dealer, meet up with them, getting home, rolling/packing, then smoking.

If you're a troll, you've won. I give up. I simply can't see any possible way of getting any semblance of intelligence or critical thinking skills into your thick skull.

yepo and how long does a high last....30-40 minutes
how long can one game....hours

a gaming system is an investment, it costs more than weed in the short term but usually requires little to no upkeep and no further expenses....unless you get **** games that require DLC
weed, you buy it, use it, its gone, and have to buy more each time you want to use it

plus you seem pretty stressed bruh...maybe you should blaze it and relax

The point is that smoking weed will make you feel good with little effects. But honestly you cant say that because something is unnatural it is automatically a bad thing.

well yes, whats 'good' and 'bad' are subjective to human opinion, just at this current day and age, the majority view drugs as bad

maybe one day in the future as more and more stoners come into the world, they will hold the majority and common opinion will be drugs are okay....but hopefully it doesnt come to that

Actually over 50% want weed legalized in the US.

thats just usa, not the world as a whole
though given usa's "do as i ******* say' ideals, the world will end up following in usa's footsteps

problem being is that most stoners today dont have self control......before you butthurt i admit some do, just the majority DONT
ive met more stoners who blaze up anytime anywhere with a ' **** you its my choice' attitude, than potsmokers who light up only in the right circumstance

if people learned self control and only lit up when its appropriate, like in their own homes, or places where its not infringing on other peoples private spave or property...then it could be allowed, just kids today arent doing that and are maintaining the media opinion of it all

Well obviously it would still not be allowed to smoke in public as smoking cigarettes should be illegal to smoke in public. But for recreational use on one owns property. Who does it harm?

well its bad enough humans who dont drive have to get blasted in the face with vehicles spewing exhaust at them on the sidewalk....even worse what fresh air there is is further poisoned with smokers blowing coulds of smoke into it so non-smokers have to breath that too....youre supporting that non-blazers will now also have to inhale 2nd hand weed smoke?

its bad enough we're being poisoned twice over each day, you want non-smokers to have to deal with randomly getting high from someone else smoking weed?

or should we walk around with gas masks on like japanese street cops do in order to breathe their cities tainted air

Have you ever smoked weed?

no, never seen a point to putting smoke in my lungs, or using any drug at all

not just for the purposes of not wanting anything to alter my perception of the world, but also i dont want to be involved with things that can be used against me in the real world

Read what i said.

In their own home.

And you cant really get high by being near someone smoking weed.

well yes, if people learned to keep their habit in their home, and preferably keep windows closed while they do it so it doesnt blow over to the neighbors house, then that would be okay

just too make people think thats okay, that just because theyre physically smoking the weed 'inside their own home' its somehow not a problem if it blows into others homes....or even stoners who smoke it on the back porch where it will auto blow everywhere

its just a mix od specific issues with it that will make it real difficult to control if it was made legal...its causing enough problems while its illegal....if it was made legal people would be more reckless with its use like people do with alcohol
(before you rage, yes alcohol affects people more, i was referring to people being more 'in your face' about using things)

It wont blow into others homes... Honestly weed is not strong. Even if you smoke a whole joint you will be high for about 45 minutes. So i doubt that more than 1% of that smoke would even go into the neighbors house.

well not everyone smokes joints.....there are how many people who blaze it in bongs and get whole lungfulls of it
or the stoners who hang out in large groups, so the combined smoke does become a large amount

i remember walking down the street and could smell weed coming from the local stoners place from 3 houses down

at this point in time, with stoners being irresponsible, smokers would have to begin a system of education and self control to smoke properly if they want it legal....if they keep enforcing it on others theyre gonna lose

Nobody is telling you to smoke. And smelling it wont get you stoned or anything. Plus back to a point where using drugs can be used against you. If it was legalized then it couldn`t be used against you.

well thats in the future when its legal, right now its a liability

plus i may have bad sides to my reputation but i just personally dont want potsmoker in that lot

Well a majority of people have smoked it so its not like you will be singled out. And you shouldn`t really care about what people think about you.

well yes, this 'most' people have given in to peer pressure and tried weed to see what the hype is
i dont just jump on the bandwagon and try everything just because 'everyone else' has done it, i sit back and think "is there a point to doing this' before doing anything

never seen a point to trying drugs....even like many others who have tried it once and never done again....i think of ...if i did it once, and never again, the act would have served no purpose other than a senseless once-off experience with no practical results to show for it

And you don`t have to smoke it if you don`t want to. Nobody is forcing it on you.

well that depends
what about all those stoners who get up in people's faces with "try it try it"....."free up your mind"...."live a little"
those i have dealt with.....not forcing it on me but preaching it at me

Well it is just a good experience as far as i`m concerned. That is the point in doing it.

well smoking a joint once is like scratching a lottery ticket and winning $5 once....

its a tiny buzz that means nothing in the long run

yeah and the presidents are part of the new world order and generally all-round corrupt bastards

not exactly winning role models

you act like god was burning the world in a pipe and hitting that ****

>Unnatural ways
>Because iron, copper and gold were meant to be used to create computers

Look at this ******* thread. People seem to get extremely defensive about their drugs.

Only smoked one puff of a cigarette in my whole life. This guy is just plain wrong.

tell that to the tribes men who lived waaaaaaaay before us, who respected nature as god, and used pipes and herbs.

also we cant name one animal which gets high right?

actually some large cats gnaw on the roots of some tree and get high
Saw it on survivorman i believe cant remember the specifics

monkey and many animals consume a bunch of rotten fermented fruits to get an alcoholic buzz.

well thats eating rotten food, not inhaling smoke

sarcasm

very hard to read sarcasm

i couldnt name an animal that gets high , thats why i put a koala picture there. (sarcasm)

First of all arguing that it is "unnatural" is a logical fallacy. What is is not what aught to be. Secondly the point of smoking weed or tobacco varies from person to person. Tobacco is commonly used as a means of stress relief, where as weed can be use for stress relief, medical afflictions, somewhat as a pain killer, and as a way to alter ones state of mind.

oh do tell doctor, please explain to me if smoking weed was natural why do lungs cough in rejecting smoke

I never said it was natural. I stated that arguing that it was unnatural was a silly premise and a logical fallacy. And yes the lungs do cough when inhaling smoke because smoke is irritating but that can be avoided through vaporizers, edibles, teas, and oils.

And please lay of the sarcasm.

well then that branches off into another angle

using natural substances to achieve unnatural states of being

You know that DMT naturally occurs in our bodies right? It's theorized that we release it in small quantities during sleep or in near-death experiences.

And dude, lay off the "it's not natural" argument. If you're going to stick with that as the basis of determining what's right or wrong, then get off your computer, abandon your house, and go live in a cave in order to avoid being an awful human being by your own standards.

yes, our bodies produce its own version of it, meaning forcing in more is abusing the body by unnaturally intaking more than our bodies naturally produce

People still get high off their balls on the stuff when in the right situation. Ever heard people talking about near-death experiences and going to hell, seeing themselves being operated on whilst unconscious, or some other weird **** ? I'd say that that qualifies as tripping balls, just as you do from smoking the stuff.

well near-death experiences are back on that topic, the body does that on its own

patients operate on are under the influence of medications, thus unnatural

now excuse me, ill talk to this brick wall, it accepts others opinions more than you stoners do

The body trips balls all on its own, yet it's not okay to do it unless you're about to die? Somehow I think that doing it recreationally may be a bit safer than the more "natural" method.

And if I were an ignorant brick wall, I'd be the one absolutely covered in red thumbs in this ********* you created instead of you.

the body trips balls reacting to extreme situations, most often as part of the survival instinct to protect itself

smoking weed makes the body trips balls reacting to the drug with no threatening source to protect itself from...so pretty much traumatizing the body for nothing

You argue that altered states of mind/perception is unnatural yet all throughout human history there has been evidence of people using drugs and mind altering substances in order to experience a different state of mind. I would argue that based on our history that it is simply human nature to desire an altered state of mind, and that this altered state of mind is not all that unnatural .

well in short, through most of human history, people have either been in the abused underclass of slaves or workers toiling away their lives for their masters and using substances to overcome the depression from it all, or are the masters relaxing in opulence paid for by the workers and going decadent in luxury using substances to heighten the sensations

so youre supporting continuing this theme and never once thinking of breaking the cycle so the average person DOESNT need substances to be content with living?

Tobacco has no point, but weed is an anti-depressant. That serves a practical purpose.
Other than that, drugs have been a means to achieve altered views on reality since time immemorial.

altered states of perception are unnatural.....so why....

bananas contain potassium which is an anti-depressant...and better and tastier than weed
you want a ********* spilt with sprinkles?

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. All this ******** about everything brought up against you being unnatural isn't substantial whatsoever. Your computer isn't natural, does that make it automatically bad?
Mysticism has been around since the dawn of man, ergo it's a pretty primitive human abstraction. One of its properties is this altered view on reality. Think of Siberian shamanism as an example.
The potassium in bananas does not suffice. If it did, people in pain would just buy bananas and eat those. There's a reason ********* is prescribed as a medicine.

yes, a MEDICINE, not everyone is sick or injured,

why is it, if a fit and healthy person takes pills because they can, thats a bad thing, but a fit and healthy person smoking weed because they can, is good?

Because pills serve no purpose outside of healing.

well weed serves no real purpose
people talk to imaginary friends all the time, its called mainstream religion, they dont need tribal shamanism to speak with spirits, churches provide a spiritual superman with a jewish zombie son called jesus

kinda odd how a religion for clean and sober people has a storyline one would think was written by someone high as a ************ when he picked up the quill

plus to the point again, if youre not sick or hurt, why would you need weed
medicine only applies if you need it to heal, othewise its an abusive drug

Let's that you entirely missed the point I was trying to make about mysticism and that you proved your puerility by insulting Christianity for no reason.
I have already, apparently without success, explained that drugs are the poor man's mysticism. They serve another purpose, entertainment. People smoke weed for the same reason they watch TV or play video games or whatever. Some pasttimes are hazardous to the health in much the same way as weed. Spending hours on the internet is harmful to the eyes, for example. People who smoke weed to entertain themselves choose to live with the consequences, just like you choose to live with bad eyesight.

yes but the internet does have more purposes than just entertainment

given i dont know everything about the strains of weed, but i dont think theres one that can help a person learn any topic or answer any question
if there was a type of learning weed, then **** , we'd have a planet of einsteins....that would be acceptable weed

Somehow managed to leave out ignore after let's. Hue.

yet you're on a computer typing this

processed substances used to make a computer, and the equipment running the internet arent natural theyre man made
so unnatural substances used for unnatural ways

but they all started off as natural

back to the topic
natural substances used in unnatural ways

You're just saying that because you've never smoked before.

smoking is unnatural, if it was any other way, the lungs would not cause coughing as rejecting it and seeking fresh air

hamburgers are unnatural when used with your logic. so is anything subjected to heat. also, i eat bud as well, so yalls can suck it.

comparing cooking food to smoking shows you have smoked yourself retarded

food is a natural thing used in a natural manner called eating, and the stomachs reaction is feeling full, meaning it accepts the intake of food

smoking is unnatural, hence why the lungs cause coughing aka the body REJECTING it

except for the fact that eating meat is inherently unnatural to our body too by your logic, our body starts with no immunities to the toxins that exist in all meat, yet we eat it anyway and build up a tolerance to it

well by your logic, since a number of plants we eat, also have toxic elements in them, should we stop eating them?

by and large most people can eat pretty much any veggie, just some people are more sensitive to certain toxins and cant eat them, and allergic reactions are the bodys way of saying 'dont consume that'

but as a whole, everybody coughs when inhaling smoke, thus everyones body shows a sign of rejecting it, its only certain people who defy nature and force their body to accept weed smoking that they slowly stop coughing over time

******** ? Isn't that food rejection in your retarded logic

no, thats food the body accepted and processed

if your lungs reject smoke, you cough, if your stomach rejects food, you vomit

If I smoke I rarely cough.
If I eat I rarely vomit.
Smoke is processed through the lungs and enter the blood stream thats how people intake the chemicals it is the same with food except through the stomach your logic is flawed. Smoking is not bad for you since vaporisng does no harm whatsoever it is combustion that harms.

well thats the thing, the body does adapt to unnatural circumstances when exposed to it enough

when you first started smoking **** , you did cough, but over time your body got used to performing an unnatural act, like how drinkers build up a tolerance, doesnt change that its unnatural

inhaling smoke dries out areas of your lungs, vaporising is like smoking through a bong, the weed particles get caught in the water and water vapor with weed chemical content og into your lungs, hence why bong smokers cough less than direct potsmokers

Your logic is still flawed. Babies when they first start eating vomit a lot until they get used to food. Smokers cough a lot when first starting and a bong isn't the same as a vapouriser a bong relies on combustion of the material a vapouriser doesn't

No... that's the body rejecting the unwanted waste from the processed food. The byproducts your body doesn't want.

Much in the same way weed smoke causes coughing. Once again, it's the body rejecting the unwanted.

And just a sidenote, you might want to get more arguments. You're using the same one over and over.

you know nothing about anatomy, digestion and excretion are part of the body processing food, absorbing the parts it needs and later expelling the leftovers\

Yeah... the leftovers it can't use or could process for whatever reason...

get back on your short bus, youre a lost cause trying to justify yourself and your poor choices

taking a **** is the body removing the stuff it doesnt need, the body doesnt need every molecule from food, it just needs the vitamins out of it
when you take a lunch to school little ashedust, you just eat the food not the lunchbox that carried it

Your point? You just validated my point. That point being the body expelling the smoke is just the body getting rid of what it doesn't want.

P.S. Don't assume anything. It makes an ass out of you. I've never smoked a joint in my life. I saw an error in your argument and stepped in.

no, coughing is the lungs rejecting weed and pushing back out the way it came

taking a **** means your body accepted food in, used what it wanted and dumped the leftovers

what part of weed does the body accept in and what does it push out the other end when its done?

What the hell do you call the high? That's the body accepting in the weed, or rather the things in it that cause the high. The smoke, the byproduct, is what it's rejecting.

You're seriously grasping at straws here.

Yeah...? Because the reaction happens at all, from a chemistry standpoint, shows some sort of acceptance. We know it's not rejecting the weed itself because it's not a violent reaction and those tend to hurt. I don't think people would like weed much if it physically hurt when you took it. One reacts poorly to the physical aspect of smoke being in your body. Not the chemical aspect.

I still don't see what you're trying to accomplish.

well using your logic, people sniff solvents, it doesnt hurt them so the bodies must be accepting it right

the body isnt accepting the weed chemicals, it just recognizes it has to tolerate them until it can purge them

Like I said, from a chemical standpoint, there's acceptance. And there can be pain and acceptance in the same reaction. But, acceptance tends to be a smooth reaction.

There are violent chemical reactions that aren't actually rejecting things.

If we look back to the original argument though. It should be agreed that in both the case of weed and food, the body is accepting the parts that it wants and purging the harmful materials that come with either subject.

That's the point... you have to deal with both the "good" (And I use the term loosely because of my moral views) and the "bad", but we can both agree that needing to take a dump to purge your body makes food "unnatural" or "bad" overall.

one should not confuse acceptance with tolerance, the body tolerates some unnatural substances until the body's natural immune system can purge the foreign substances from the body and return it to normal

its a lost argument saying that weed and food are on the same level....the human body cannot survive without food, but it can survive without weed

consuming food is a natural activity to ensure that a person continues to live, its natural because we HAVE to do it....people DONT need to consume weed to live

people dont usually get chemical reactions to eating simple food because the body accepts them as normal self-sustaining elements, if people were meant to consume weed, then it would have no noticeable effect on us either

Food does have a noticeable effect on us... alibit, it takes time. Don't eat and you starve to death. Eat too much and you grow fat. But that's not the point. The point is, if weed and food are so dissimilar, why did you compare them in the first place? Or why did you continue the comparison when it was first brought up?

And tolerance is a type of acceptance. It's saying "I disagree, but I'll let it slide." It's saying "I don't agree with you, but I accept that you view things differently.". It's accepting that even though something goes against what you believe to know normally, its not yours to control.

you were the one who began comparing food and weed, in your argument that ******** is comparable to coughing in the body rejecting things

taking what you have just said, dont eat and you starve, eat too much and you grow fat, well what about weed....not smoking it causes no effect at all, being clean in fact keeping life natural, and smoking any amount, too much or just enough, is unnatural because it directs your body to ways it doesnt achieve on its own

tolerance is not acceptance....the body doesnt play the lawyer game of "no reply is acceptance by default" , its "try to make the best of it till it can get rid of it"
kind of like a minor cold....the virus is in your blood but you dont feel that sick, but your body is working to purge it

any changes in the body's chemistry, will be met with a reaction of purging it to restore balance, whether it be bad like a sickness or good like an adrenalin rush....the body will break down the chaos and return your body to normality

its only in prolonged changes that the body starts to change and alter what it considers 'normal' to fit the situation...people who are sick often will feel poorly even during the breif healthy periods...stoners and adrenalin junkies will feel down when not on a buzz, and so on...

i have first hand facts on this, my flatmate spent 4 years regularly drinking coffee and energy drinks all day, then after the doctor told him to cut it out or he'll have heart attacks...now without caffeine to set his 'normal' he acts half dead
and ive met stoners who, because they have spent so long using weed to chill out, on the times theyre are clean, theyre irritable and easily angered because their bodies and minds have forgotten how to handle stress

and also, i have NEVER coughed up blood from puffin on a joint. or a cigarette. that comes from abuse and subsequent illnesses caused by the abuse. just like food will cause illnesses if abused.

be clean
eat too much
abusing self with food

be a stoner
get high
munchies makes you eat too much
abusing yourself with food

both sides fail

aw yeah. because i have no self control when i get stoned. you will find that you have a lot more self control when high than anti drug propaganda would have you believe. how about you try it and THEN criticize, instead of standing on your "moral high ground" and preaching about something you have absolutely no practical knowledge of.

im not following the medias opinion about drugs im following personal interaction with stoners....
yes each stoner has varying degrees of self control, but all have less self control when high as opposed to when theyre clean

when smokers are high they are more open to impulses

there you are right, but i still wont slap Mohammed Ali or jump in front of a car. in fact, i have never taken a more dangerous decision than trying to grab a tray with my pizza on it with my bare hands (only once) whilst high. not exactly a life threatening decision.

well all in all, one cant define a general rule for 'abusing' weed, because everybody reacts differently

i knew one girl who didnt smoke weed per se, but went with friends blowing 2nd hand weed into her face so she could inhale
after one breath she ended up stoned enough to almost walk in front of said car.....

well, she was either a cadbury bitch, or faking it. second hand smoke will not get the average person that high unless you are sitting in on a hotbox in a car or something. and then you get a lot less high than everyone else.

Shotgunning is a powerful thing my friend...

hence as i said, people react differently

still, intaking a substance that alters your brain processes is a form of abusing it

uh... no. chocolate alters your brain processes by releasing endorphins. abuse implies over use, which is an entirely different beasty to merely altering ones brain processes. using your definition of abuse implies that merely eating something that tastes good is abuse because it makes you happy. stop over-simplifying. it makes you look like an idiot.

aw yeah. so any other animal will run towards a fire in the hope of a ******* cooked meal? is that what you are saying? no. cooking is unique to homo sapiens. like smoking. **** off. i never said smoking was a good thing, i merely said that your logic was simplistic, and thus, flawed.

no, an animal will keep a distance from the fire till its out and no longer harmful, THEN eat the cooked meal

yes, choosing to smoke is a choice unique to humans thus humans stand alone in stupid decisions
aside from lemmings that jump off cliffs....but then thats MTV jackass people

its a plant, it just grows that way
if it was to happen to be on fire
there are some side affects

well yeah
some cherries, apricots and cassava plants, when burnt, produce a form of cyanide

i wouldnt recommend inhaling that smoke either

**** burns, animals inhale that **** , sounds natural to me

okay please find me any animal that can create fire to burn things, or any animal that APPROACHES fire to inhale smoke
plus comparing animals to humans shows you **** logic

Humans are animals...

so somehow having higher brain function equates to choosing to fight natural instincts and perform unnatural acts?

I just corrected you and said that humans are animals.

well if mankind is a more intelligent animal that commits unnatural acts that other animals dont. it proves every other animal is superior to humans

Fires are natural is what he said. Lightning can cause fire, heat can cause fire. There are plenty of ways for fire to start and find its way to a ********* plant.

yes, but only humans are stupid enough to CHOOSE to inhake smoke

animals do it when caught in unfortunate situations but generally move away to find fresh air, humans chose to put **** in their lungs against fresh air

from smoking weed to smoking cock....the long list of what goes in anons mouth

lightning and lava? **** does burn in nature, just not as frequently as it does now

once again
please show me an animale that runs TOWARDS lightning when it strikes, or or towards lava
they dont, something called survival instinct says "move AWAY" from things that burn

well weed is largely illegal because hemp products are cheaper and more readily available and less damaging to the environment than the paper industry, but since the paper manufacturers dont want competition, they threw money at the government to have weed made illegal

then in i think the 1890's, usa began a war on drugs simply to begin a system of harvesting money from the citizens through both taxing them to begin a major political battle over a minor problem, and where needed hand out fines to drug users caught....(pretty much double dipping in taxing AND fining users)

as the war on drugs has grown, its expanded out to actually IMPORT drugs from south america to fuel the supply in western countries and thus maintain a steady source from which to tax/fine the people

animals in the wild run from fire because thats natural instinct, domesticated animals have been taught to ignore this instinct so long as the fire stays in the fireplace
same logic with stoners,....its human nature to reject smoke, but stoners train themselves to deal with it

Wildebeast travel towards the sound of thunder because it means rain is soon to follow. As for other "unnatural activities" Red Velvet monkeys in the Caribbean often times steal alcoholic beverages as a result of them having a taste for fermenting fruit. AND finally, Ruffed lemurs bite centipedes so they release their toxins, which they then rub on themselves as an insect repellent which also makes them high as **** .
don't believe me? go to youtube and type in "drunken monkeys and smashed lemurs".

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the wilderbeast goes towards thunder for the rain, aka WATER not smoke

lemurs and the centipede thing sounds more like the equivalent of people who inhale solvents,.....their primary drive was keep bugs away.....i dont see them sitting around sniffing the toxin because they can

and the monkeys fermented fruit thing is like alcohol consumption,

a tree or area burns, the smokes is going to travel pretty far regardless, fumes will probably be inhaled

but thats considered a hazard, the animals arent making a choice to be in that smoke and would usually look for a way to get clear of it

you've never been high... being high on funnyjunk makes your comment almost funny... being high on funnyjunk with someone else makes anything funny... then after that 10-30 minutes of uncontrollable laughter (what more could you ask for) its just relaxing until you come down...

never seen any point in using drugs

not injured so dont need pain relief
not a sad case so dont need artificial methods to be happy
have a life so dont need to be buzzed for the sake of it

so sitting around, talking foolish things, and laughing at most anything, is fun

one can use the argument 'small things amuse small minds'

>Has life
>gets in internet argument about drugs
Pick one.

i didnt start the argument, i merely asked whats the point in performing an unnatural act, and suddenly the stoners spring up to create a pro-weed argument

Whats the point of playing video games if they aren't found in the wild?

whats the point of joints, pipes, or bongs if they arent found in the wild

well fun is up to perspective
some people have fun hunting and shooting wild animals in the head
some people have fun beating the **** out of each other in fight clubs

there are plenty of methods of 'fun' that others would frown at, weed is on that list

by your logic though, anything that anyone says is fun could be determined by others, to be bad

Its a way to have fun. no more no less.

yes i know,
one can say that alcohol makes people do stupid **** , while weed just makes people sit around and laugh at stupid ****

i dont really see a point in either....if you NEED either to fill in at certain situations you were pretty lost to begin with
getting drunk or stoned to enjoy life means your life sucked to begin with, and you need a temporary helper to enjoy it......geting drunk or stoned to 'handle' life means your life is pretty ****** and you use to hide from it.....and it goes on

Did you know that ********* is safer to smoke than alcohol?

bleat bleat, stoner argument, alcohol is bad mmmmkay

yes alcohol is more harmful, i wouldnt recommend either

My life isn't **** , I don't smoke alone, I rarely do smoke actually.
Some people just want to relax a bit with friends. You are not to judge how someone else chooses to pass their free time or money are you? You make it sound as if any occasional drug or alcohol user is a lost case. Just loosen up a bit. I'm not saying you should try drugs, but don't judge people who do.

well comes back to the point
if you cant relax using natural methods, then your life is poor,

if you NEED a substance to alter your perception of life, then youre admitting you dislike your life

i used to drink frequently with friends, but then i saw the futility in it, im capable of chilling out with friends sober, i dont need to take a substance to enjoy life and friends.....and its kind of an insult to yourself and your friends if you need to take stuff to enjoy them and yourself

Well... it seems to me that you're the one that can't relax... now take off your clothes and step away from that unnatural contraption you're sitting in front of, your fingers are not naturally adapted to using keyboards and technology is not natural.

btw. its not like primitive peoples didnt have alcohol and other drugs, even before the civilisation fully kicked off. some researches use the date when first beer was made in Egypt as the beginning date of our civilisation...

yes egypt, where the eqgyptians were hedonistic and enjoyed substances to feel the experiences, and the slaves used when they could to mentally escape how **** their lives were

hey wow, the egyptian empire really lasted didnt it

well it lasted for about 2 thousand years, before it was conquered by persians (who smoked cannabis and threw parties before taking any important decisions), and later by romans (who had many festivities involving drinking, as did their contemporary barbarians and pretty much every culture with access to something that can be fermented)

and also, there are no more persian or roman empires....

kind of suggests that decadent hedonistic empires fall apart
do you really want to contribute to the current major powers to falling apart?

how many empires, communities, groups of people do you know that have survived for more than 2 thousands years without drinking, smoking etc? every empire has its rise and fall and it just so happens that pretty much every community has their "alcohol" or their "weed". Even freakin buddhists and christians and other religious groups.
Hell, in the 30s USA tried to abolish alcohol and the country nearly collapsed in chaos... People smoked/drank, smoke/drink and will smoke and drink, because who the **** are you to tell them not to.

read a book

prohibition didnt hurt the people, in those days it was the fact usa had overfarmed the land and had huge dustbowls spreading **** all over the country that caused chaos

say today, even with drugs and alcohol to keep them 'happy' i think most people would be in chaos if ********* of dust was blowing in from 3 states away

Nope, I can enjoy myself fine without. It just adds to the experience...You mean your lifed used to be **** because you used to drink regularly? I have the best friends anyone can imagine and I don't NEED it, its MY OWN CHOICE, learn the difference. So when your friends go to the pub you just drink a coke? Thats fine by me and everyone else, but at least accept that other people have other choices and that that doesn't mean your life is **** . If you can't understand that you're just someone you can't argue with. kkthxbye

i understand people have their own freedom of choice, for good or for bad, and people have their own freedom of choice to make personal opinions about others choices

you 'needing' weed to add to your enjoyment of things, admits you dont actually enjoy things as you should so you require weed to push your brain to enjoy them, while other people can enjoy those same things clean, why cant you

as i just said, I don't need it, and i rarely actually do it, but for me its just something you don't do everyday. I usually enjoy it because i'm around with friends. My friends make me happy, with weed or without. Thats why I said I don't smoke alone, because friends are the thing that make the experience more enjoyable in general.

so you and your friends only occasionally insult each other by using weed to enjoy the company?

and on another angle.....its sad youve become hooked to decadent sensations,

here, have a theme song
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That is such a ridiculous remark. No, they enjoy each others company and smoking weed >adds< to the enjoyment.

Also why is smoking weed decadent when it has been around for ages, like other mind altering drugs including alcohol. Is it because you and a group of people dislike it? Then what about the group of people that do enjoy it, does their opinion just not count because they are "hooked" on said things. Bias on both sides tbh.

well partaking of a mind-altering substance simply to unnaturally obtain sensations, is a form of decadence, its simple self-rewarding

So you mean that partaking of any mind-altering drugs is decadence, for example alcohol? If that is your opinion then I can just respectfully disagree.

and you have your right to disagree....
others have the right to disagree with your choice

given current day majority ideals, drugs are looked upon in a negative light, but the way persons like yourself and others go, some day they may have majority support and society will change to accept them