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#33 - konradkurze
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(07/03/2013) [-]
whats the point in smoking anything

tobacco, weed, ...******* oregano..
why use natural substances in UNnatural ways
#196 to #33 - anon
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(07/03/2013) [-]
I'm agreeing with you so hard right now
#182 to #33 - anon
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(07/03/2013) [-]
you did not deserve to get thumbed down it is definitely a relevant point, you get a green thumb from me
#174 to #33 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/03/2013) [-]
The point is to get high, which to many people can be quite an enjoyable experience.   
   
And whether or not something's "natural" doesn't tend to matter anymore. Where would we be if not for man's ability to harness nature for our own personal benefit? I think we're quite a bit better off now than before we developed agriculture.   
   
If you're gonna hate on people who smoke, the artificiality of the practice can't exactly be used as a counterpoint because nearly everything we do is artificial.
The point is to get high, which to many people can be quite an enjoyable experience.

And whether or not something's "natural" doesn't tend to matter anymore. Where would we be if not for man's ability to harness nature for our own personal benefit? I think we're quite a bit better off now than before we developed agriculture.

If you're gonna hate on people who smoke, the artificiality of the practice can't exactly be used as a counterpoint because nearly everything we do is artificial.
#442 to #174 - konradkurze
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(07/03/2013) [-]
yes, so much better to exploit every possible resource for self benefit....its so great when everyones an arrogant ************ thinking of just themselves and fights over who gets priority on the sources of self indulgence
#468 to #442 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/04/2013) [-]
I fail to see how that relates to the point I just made. I'm just telling you that the fact that smoking something is artificial doesn't make it bad because most things we do are "unnatural."
#472 to #468 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well your logic is "**** common sense, if we do some artificial things we may as well do EVERY artificial thing"

never stop to consider things we currently do or could do, but shouldnt do at all
#495 to #472 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/04/2013) [-]
And to clarify so that you don't take this out of context again, I never said to do "EVERY artificial thing." That's not implied anywhere in my argument. I'm just telling you that your logic is completely flawed.
#497 to #495 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well humans do enough artificial things they could find other more realistic means to do.....drugs only serve a purpose as an artificial means to get states of being people could get if they did real activities

want a happy buzz...watch a comedy or get some exercise and love the endorphins your own body makes naturally....want to chill out listen to peaceful music or meditate and love the alpha waves......need stress relief...get laid or go to a gym and workout till youre too tired to fuss
#499 to #497 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/05/2013) [-]
So artificial means of enjoyment are only okay so long as you personally agree to them first? Great logic.

And want to make all of those far better than they would be normally? Smoke some weed, then watch comedy and laugh your ass off, listen to some good music and enjoy every damn second of it, get laid and love how everything feels so much better than normal, et cetera. You'll enjoy it way more than you would whilst sober, thereby releasing more endorphins. I assure you that by the end of a day like that you'll be so tired and happy that you'll be unable to get even slightly mad at anything and probably just pass out the second you hit your bed.
#500 to #499 - konradkurze
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(07/05/2013) [-]
yep, and since weed affects the memory...forget half or more of what you did.....

stoners laugh their ass off at pretty much anything, one doesnt need to be actual comedy.....get laid to a girl enough of a loser to screw stoners...enjoy everything more....like how stoners eat chips and almost have an orgasm "omfg these chips are so ******* good"......nd sleeping most of the day like a lazy mofo is so productive right?
#501 to #500 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
So someone's a loser just because they so much as associate with stoners? If that's your line of reasoning then I doubt you'll go very far in life?

Am I a loser then? I smoke the stuff infrequently because I like to get high once in a while, I attend college and am pursuing a Physics & Mathematics Degree, came into college with 22 credits already just from high school, have a 3.6 GPA after my first year, and made Dean's list my second semester. I'm also making a decent paycheck with my summer job and would say I'm pretty satisfied with where I'm at in life, yet I'm still working my ass off and trying to teach myself the basics of mechanical engineering in my spare time. I'm also a member of my college's soccer team. Is all this for naught just because I enjoy weed on occasion?
#502 to #501 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
there you go, spinning words

one isnt a loser for associating with stoners, but getting into relationships with them?
ive seen too many people get into that and get stuck in dead ends helping them out with money, food etc
before you rage, i say stoners....you dont live to get high so yorue just a potsmoker....you dont get stoned all the time like stoners do, hence why youre doing better than they are
#503 to #502 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
And I know people who are complete and utter stoners, yet they do as well as I do and are some of the smartest people I've come across at college in some instances. I've also seen plenty of idiot pot smokers who don't really do anything with their lives. If one was to see this sort of thing with an open mind, I believe that they should come to the conclusion that it's not the drug, it's the person. A lot of people are just lazy *****. Some are hard workers. Whether they smoke pot or not isn't going to affect their drive to succeed unless they get pulled down by other influences.

And bro you've been spinning my words around or at the very least not interpreting them properly for just about this whole argument so don't give me that.
#504 to #503 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
well yes there is that other angle of 'the person' but by majority, since alot of places in western countries support the concept of being lazy *******...especially in the areas where welfare is easy to get and stay on, most stoners sit back and **** around their whole lives

mostly its in areas where local ideals are driven towards things, like ome places have a localized culture of intellectuals or workers and they get raised to keep up those traditions, but at the same time use weed hard to relax them as they go

take a look at the numbers of stoners you know, how many succeed compared to those who fail
#505 to #504 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
But how many of those failures come from a background where it's okay to sit on your ass and get high and never accomplish anything?

The weed doesn't make them failures, their lifestyles and their decisions do. Just because someone gets high often doesn't automatically make them a failure, their inability to get their lives on track does. If you think that just because someone is a stoner they're automatically a failure, you need to do a good bit of rethinking before you join the real world.
#506 to #505 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
well, its a case of too many people start young and get into a routine of being relaxed and ******* lazy before they even know what they want to strive for in life, so by the time they get a clue what they want theyre already too far gone to try

most of these successful people already geared themselves up towards a goal and just got into the habit of smoking weed while they went, to keep themselves relaxed while they worked

so its more a case of what do they start doing first....working or smoking
#507 to #506 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
Working or smoking not working. I'll bet I can also find plenty of losers who sit at home all day doing things that aren't smoking and leaching off of hardworking people.

Smoking pot isn't bad. People are bad.
#508 to #507 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
yep and all those losers who arent stoners, but still sit on their ass all day,...usualy have some other vice that they began early in life that robbed them of their motivation

on that side note...all the posers who think ******* around all day long, not paying attention in school or just not going because it doesnt fit their 'image', and end up being unable to get jobs because they plain dont know a ******* thing....yeah they are worse than stoners
*******/wiggers are worse than stoners....
#509 to #508 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
Everyone has their vices. It's all about the drive to succeed.
#510 to #509 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
and that takes a step back to my previous comment...too many who get into the habit of getting stoned and relaxing before they find that drive to succeed in something, generally dont try to succeed
#512 to #510 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
Depends on the vice. I played video games nearly every single day as a kid, devoted tons and tons of time to them, yet for all my slacking I and many other gamers have turned out okay. Same with lots of potheads, you're just biased against them for some reason. Not every pothead is some loser living in a trailer or their mom's basement somewhere, far from it in fact.
#514 to #512 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
well i will admit my family moving down here to new zealand was a bad thing, still dont know ******* why they did it....

one way to compare new zealand high drug use is like a medieval state
theyre a bunch of backwards peasants under the leadership of a ruthless tyrant who lords over the land and keeps people fearful and sad
and like good little peasants, they live with it because thats all theyve ever known, and use substances to relieve the sadness of their lives

plus nz'ers are easily swayed by media....they see so much american movies showing gangstas and stoners as badasses they aspire to be like them, getting high alot and wearing clothes like hiphop stars thinking that playing dress-up actually makes them cool

yeah....living here has given me a harsh outlook of the drug culture
id move to usa to check it out fully but its **** hard enough for ameicans to get work, and since im not from mexico or india, usa wont give me migrant work
#493 to #472 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/04/2013) [-]
No, my logic is "nearly everything we do is artificial already, so saying that something is bad because it's artificial defies common sense because that means nearly everything we do is bad."

I've said this twice to you already, yet you've done nothing to refute it because either you know your logic is flawed or you're not smart enough to see something when it's clearly laid out for you. That or you're a troll, which I'm really starting to believe at this point.

And did you seriously block me just for disagreeing with you?
#511 to #493 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
well mankind has been on a downward spiral of artificial things for a long time, and paying a cost of our own health and welfare and the welfare of the planet

too many people have been brainwashed into thinking of "now now now" relying on artificial things because theyre faster and easier to obtain or acheive

weed is one such thing,...rather than put effort into finding ways to relax or enjoy things, people just choose weed as the quick and easy 'take a puff and youre there' approach
#513 to #511 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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(07/06/2013) [-]
Bro do you even think?

How easy is it to turn on a computer? To push the button to activate your gaming console? To pick up a ******* remote control and turn on your TV? All these things take considerably less effort than taking the time to hit up a dealer, meet up with them, getting home, rolling/packing, then smoking.

If you're a troll, you've won. I give up. I simply can't see any possible way of getting any semblance of intelligence or critical thinking skills into your thick skull.
#515 to #513 - konradkurze
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(07/06/2013) [-]
yepo and how long does a high last....30-40 minutes
how long can one game....hours

a gaming system is an investment, it costs more than weed in the short term but usually requires little to no upkeep and no further expenses....unless you get **** games that require DLC
weed, you buy it, use it, its gone, and have to buy more each time you want to use it

plus you seem pretty stressed bruh...maybe you should blaze it and relax
#473 to #472 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
The point is that smoking weed will make you feel good with little effects. But honestly you cant say that because something is unnatural it is automatically a bad thing.
#474 to #473 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well yes, whats 'good' and 'bad' are subjective to human opinion, just at this current day and age, the majority view drugs as bad

maybe one day in the future as more and more stoners come into the world, they will hold the majority and common opinion will be drugs are okay....but hopefully it doesnt come to that
#475 to #474 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Actually over 50% want weed legalized in the US.
#476 to #475 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
thats just usa, not the world as a whole
though given usa's "do as i ******* say' ideals, the world will end up following in usa's footsteps

problem being is that most stoners today dont have self control......before you butthurt i admit some do, just the majority DONT
ive met more stoners who blaze up anytime anywhere with a '**** you its my choice' attitude, than potsmokers who light up only in the right circumstance

if people learned self control and only lit up when its appropriate, like in their own homes, or places where its not infringing on other peoples private spave or property...then it could be allowed, just kids today arent doing that and are maintaining the media opinion of it all
#477 to #476 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Well obviously it would still not be allowed to smoke in public as smoking cigarettes should be illegal to smoke in public. But for recreational use on one owns property. Who does it harm?
#478 to #477 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well its bad enough humans who dont drive have to get blasted in the face with vehicles spewing exhaust at them on the sidewalk....even worse what fresh air there is is further poisoned with smokers blowing coulds of smoke into it so non-smokers have to breath that too....youre supporting that non-blazers will now also have to inhale 2nd hand weed smoke?

its bad enough we're being poisoned twice over each day, you want non-smokers to have to deal with randomly getting high from someone else smoking weed?

or should we walk around with gas masks on like japanese street cops do in order to breathe their cities tainted air
#480 to #478 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Have you ever smoked weed?
#483 to #480 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
no, never seen a point to putting smoke in my lungs, or using any drug at all

not just for the purposes of not wanting anything to alter my perception of the world, but also i dont want to be involved with things that can be used against me in the real world
#479 to #478 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Read what i said.

In their own home.

And you cant really get high by being near someone smoking weed.
#481 to #479 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well yes, if people learned to keep their habit in their home, and preferably keep windows closed while they do it so it doesnt blow over to the neighbors house, then that would be okay

just too make people think thats okay, that just because theyre physically smoking the weed 'inside their own home' its somehow not a problem if it blows into others homes....or even stoners who smoke it on the back porch where it will auto blow everywhere

its just a mix od specific issues with it that will make it real difficult to control if it was made legal...its causing enough problems while its illegal....if it was made legal people would be more reckless with its use like people do with alcohol
(before you rage, yes alcohol affects people more, i was referring to people being more 'in your face' about using things)
#482 to #481 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
It wont blow into others homes... Honestly weed is not strong. Even if you smoke a whole joint you will be high for about 45 minutes. So i doubt that more than 1% of that smoke would even go into the neighbors house.
#484 to #482 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well not everyone smokes joints.....there are how many people who blaze it in bongs and get whole lungfulls of it
or the stoners who hang out in large groups, so the combined smoke does become a large amount

i remember walking down the street and could smell weed coming from the local stoners place from 3 houses down

at this point in time, with stoners being irresponsible, smokers would have to begin a system of education and self control to smoke properly if they want it legal....if they keep enforcing it on others theyre gonna lose
#485 to #484 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Nobody is telling you to smoke. And smelling it wont get you stoned or anything. Plus back to a point where using drugs can be used against you. If it was legalized then it couldn`t be used against you.
#486 to #485 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well thats in the future when its legal, right now its a liability

plus i may have bad sides to my reputation but i just personally dont want potsmoker in that lot
#487 to #486 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Well a majority of people have smoked it so its not like you will be singled out. And you shouldn`t really care about what people think about you.
#488 to #487 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well yes, this 'most' people have given in to peer pressure and tried weed to see what the hype is
i dont just jump on the bandwagon and try everything just because 'everyone else' has done it, i sit back and think "is there a point to doing this' before doing anything

never seen a point to trying drugs....even like many others who have tried it once and never done again....i think of ...if i did it once, and never again, the act would have served no purpose other than a senseless once-off experience with no practical results to show for it
#490 to #488 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
And you don`t have to smoke it if you don`t want to. Nobody is forcing it on you.
#491 to #490 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well that depends
what about all those stoners who get up in people's faces with "try it try it"....."free up your mind"...."live a little"
those i have dealt with.....not forcing it on me but preaching it at me

#489 to #488 - turtletroll
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(07/04/2013) [-]
Well it is just a good experience as far as i`m concerned. That is the point in doing it.
#492 to #489 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well smoking a joint once is like scratching a lottery ticket and winning $5 once....

its a tiny buzz that means nothing in the long run
#168 to #33 - anon
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(07/03/2013) [-]
Go ask the US presidents, those ******* used to do it.
#444 to #168 - konradkurze
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(07/03/2013) [-]
yeah and the presidents are part of the new world order and generally all-round corrupt bastards

not exactly winning role models
#151 to #33 - anon
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(07/03/2013) [-]
how is fire and smoke unnatural? the world was born in flames
#461 to #151 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
you act like god was burning the world in a pipe and hitting that ****
#141 to #33 - chaosascendingx
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(07/03/2013) [-]
>Unnatural ways
>Because iron, copper and gold were meant to be used to create computers
#135 to #33 - mutzaki
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(07/03/2013) [-]
Look at this ******* thread. People seem to get extremely defensive about their drugs.
#138 to #135 - randomserb
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(07/03/2013) [-]
Only smoked one puff of a cigarette in my whole life. This guy is just plain wrong.
#133 to #33 - tegz
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(07/03/2013) [-]
tell that to the tribes men who lived waaaaaaaay before us, who respected nature as god, and used pipes and herbs.

also we cant name one animal which gets high right?
#139 to #133 - chaosascendingx
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(07/03/2013) [-]
actually some large cats gnaw on the roots of some tree and get high
Saw it on survivorman i believe cant remember the specifics
#184 to #139 - sanguinesolitude
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(07/03/2013) [-]
monkey and many animals consume a bunch of rotten fermented fruits to get an alcoholic buzz.
#465 to #184 - konradkurze
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(07/04/2013) [-]
well thats eating rotten food, not inhaling smoke
#143 to #139 - tegz
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(07/03/2013) [-]
sarcasm
#149 to #143 - chaosascendingx
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(07/03/2013) [-]
very hard to read sarcasm
#179 to #149 - tegz
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(07/03/2013) [-]
i couldnt name an animal that gets high , thats why i put a koala picture there. (sarcasm)
#167 to #149 - anon
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(07/03/2013) [-]
Think it was some sort of cheetah like cat.
#108 to #33 - captiancook ONLINE
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(07/03/2013) [-]
First of all arguing that it is "unnatural" is a logical fallacy. What is is not what aught to be. Secondly the point of smoking we