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#20 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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I'm going to throw in my 2 cents about evolution.

Going on with the belief that god exists, why can evolution not be one of god's tools to create the world he apparently has in mind. The Bible goes on to say that the world was created in 6 days, with the 7th day for rest. But what if god, assuming he exists, is still in the process of creating the world he wants, using evolution as one of his observable tools?

Assuming that the 'days' spoken of in the Bible were figuratively meant, we could still be in the 7th day, which could've been mistaken as god's resting day, since our short spans of existance make us unable to comprehend how long god takes for his 'day', as an immortal, omnipotent being.


Then again, I don't believe he exists. I'm just being philosophical here.
#129 to #20 - wyattgc
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All knowing, yet must use tools to help create? seems a bit redundant.
#144 to #20 - anon id: 2d112be6
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most people believe evolution is random, so how could we be made in "God's image" (p.s. also athiest)
User avatar #155 to #20 - rennat
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You're absolutely right. It could be a tool a god uses to develop planets. But there's no more reason to believe it then basically anything else. The Celestial Teapot has just as much evidence for it as that theory. Religion is purely faith based, and I don't take things on faith anymore. It's nice to philosophize, but when it comes to religion it comes down to picking your favorite flavor.
User avatar #275 to #155 - lolollo
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It's irresponsible to give up on faith altogether. Without faith, you have to base everything on what you know, and can control, and the universe is too full of **** you can neither know, nor control.

When you wake up each morning, you take it on faith that you won't end up dead by the end of it. In fact, all you do know on the mayter is that as each day passes, the chance increases ever so slightly that you will as you creep up on your final expiration date. If you don't have that faith...why bother getting up each morning?
User avatar #406 to #275 - rennat
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I don't have faith that I will survive each day. I wake up knowing full well that a speeding car could strike me at any minute, someone could snap and stab me, I could contract a deadly pathogen. I wake up knowing my world can end any time, so I choose to live every moment I can as much as I can.
User avatar #407 to #406 - lolollo
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Yes, but you still have faith that none of those things will happen to you. You do everything knowing they could, but won't, otherwise you would just stay inside. where there's less a chance of it happening.
User avatar #408 to #407 - rennat
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No, I know they can happen at any second. There is literally no reason they won't. I could just stay inside because I could potentially live longer, but that would be a boring existence and a waste of life. No, my world could end in an instant and the universe would feel no regret. I have no faith that these things won't happen, I just hope they don't. Faith is saying you know something won't happen because you really, really don't think something that bad can happen. Well, it can, and it will eventually. After I watched my sister suffer and die due to the malpractice of a few doctors, I knew that the world I live in can abruptly end, so I promised to live as much as I could, for her.
User avatar #409 to #408 - lolollo
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That's not what faith is. Faith is having to come to a conclusion without the proper evidence to come to any conclusion, and since we're only human, we tend to lean towards the more beneficial conclusion. Wat you said is the religious definition of faith, which is like trying to use the bible as a history book. It's not accurate. Like Catholics have faith that there's a God despite there being no evidence for his existence, and atheists, as mad as they may be, have faith that there is no God. To be honest, faith is hope. You wa ke up each morning hoping nothing bad will happen, but that's the same as having faith that it won't.

Faith is not knowing, knowing is the opposite of faith. In practice, and in definition, it's stronger than hope, but it's still not "knowledge".

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
User avatar #410 to #409 - rennat
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Hope is saying, "Gee, I sure wish that a car won't hit me today.", while knowing it could. Faith is saying, "Gee, a car won't hit me today.", while knowing it could. They are fundamentally different. And on a note, I don't have "Faith" there is no God, I just see no reason for there to be, no evidence for it, so it is a null point. If I can't see it or hear it or feel it or experience it in any way, he either doesn't exist or is irrelevant to me.
User avatar #411 to #410 - lolollo
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

Believe it or not, faith is not knowledge, it's an advanced form of hope. Faith is anything but knowledge, religion has just deluded itself into thinking it is.
User avatar #412 to #411 - rennat
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Okay, so let's assume that God does exist. I can't feel him, hear him, see him, or experience him in any way outside of an ancient book. God is now irrelevant to me.

And faith is described as complete trust in something despite evidence to the contrary or no evidence. I don't have that, simple as that.
User avatar #413 to #412 - lolollo
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The ancient greeks had absolutely no way of knowing what the structure of the atom was, or even that they existed. They assumed matter was made up of air, fire, earth, and water. They didn't yet have the technology to be able to test hypothesis pertaining to the structure of the atom.

They had absolutely no reason to believe that an atom was made up of a condense nucleus made of protons and neutrons, with a negatively charged electron cloud. Had someone said that they were back then, before they could test it, would they have been right, or wrong with respect to how the universe works?
User avatar #414 to #413 - rennat
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They would have been very correct, although I'd question just how they were able to form such a hypothesis with such ancient tech. Science is universal. It is correct no matter when it is proposed, as long as repeated tests prove it to be proper science. An apple falling demonstrates gravity no matter what eon it falls in.
User avatar #418 to #414 - lolollo
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That's the difference between science, and political science. Science stays constant, political science changes with proof and testing. I'm not saying we need to ignore political science to say God exists, I'm simply saying that if God exists, he's going to exist now just as much as he will when we have the means to test it. So keeping God as a possibility isn't irresponsible, it's merely holding on to a hypothesis that hasn't been tested yet.
User avatar #419 to #418 - rennat
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So you're saying it's a good idea to believe in a God that isn't a God?
User avatar #420 to #419 - lolollo
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Wat?

No, I'm saying it's just as irresponsible to think the idea of God irrelevant as it is to blindly believe that he exists.
User avatar #422 to #420 - rennat
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Would you say that a God that is unable to make any connection with his people at all or influence their lives in any way is a God?

And I wouldn't call it irresponsible. If a man named John Smith ran into the House of Congress completely nude and began shouting that a man will be shot the next day in Kenya by Obama, should we treat this seriously? This man has no evidence and no way of knowing in any way that this could happen. Yet, the following day, a man with the last name of Obama shoots a man in Kenya. Was it irresponsible for the authorities to not take this seriously?
User avatar #425 to #422 - lolollo
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You're making too many assumptions about God. He doesn't have to make a connection with us if he doesn't want to. You're applying humanistic ideals to omnipotence/omniscience.

It would have been irresponsible to both believe him wholly, and disbelieve him, but the one thing your example doesn't capture is why anyone would want to care. Now if he ran in saying "The President will shoot a man tomorrow in Kenya." then it would have been a better example, and even then the correct course of action would have been to tell the President what the man said.
User avatar #169 to #20 - thebombshell
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because we have recreated conditions of pre-life earth and it produces the components required for RNA, by extension DNA, by extension life, perfectly.

That in mind theres no room for a diety in the mix barring pre-big bang which is pointless because we can not test pre-big bang conditions.

We know with a surprising degree of accuracy, the composition of generations of stars, what those stars became, what became of what those stars left behind, the process by which that happened, the process by which our galaxy, our solar system and our planet came to be, the process by which RNA formed, the process by which RNA encased in a cell, eventually became DNA, eventually becoming a form recognisable as life.

If we understand all of this, why should we believe a god did any of it? more to the point where would this god have intervened if all of these processes are understandable in nature? the closest thing to a god I'd be willing to believe is "god is nature"
#204 to #20 - sharklasers
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This makes so much ******* sense. You sir, are a scholar.
#57 to #20 - hitro
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Don't remember the line but it stated that everything was in its current form at the start of the universe.

Meaning a bird is always a bird and so on.

Which is against the principle of evolution.
User avatar #81 to #20 - zzforrest
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Oh and the approxomate order of the stages of creation go as
>light
>sun
>earth (and moon)
>water
>fish
>birds
>land creatures
>us
so it seems to add up with the theory of evolution quite well.
User avatar #385 to #20 - drhoffable
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couldn't have said it better.
#392 to #20 - anon id: cbd530fa
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Did he just give us appendices to screw us over?
User avatar #416 to #20 - demigodofmadness
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Or you can just be like me and believe in God but not the bible. Who decided the 2 options are either Abraham's God or Atheist anyways?
User avatar #417 to #416 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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Fair enough. This theory was made with Christianity in mind, though.
User avatar #421 to #417 - demigodofmadness
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Yea I know. It's nice to see an Atheist not trying to disprove Christianity but trying to make them more intelligent while still keeping their faith.

I don't like to see Atheists arguing Christianity like if they keep poking holes in the bible it will disprove religion once and for all.
User avatar #423 to #421 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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Well, I have one rule concerncing religion. I don't think it's real, but there's no way I cannot disprove it.

If I ever find a way to prove that religion is not real, I'd do it. If I were to find out that any of the religions around has been correct all this time, I'd admit my stupidity and convert.
User avatar #424 to #423 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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*no way I can
User avatar #432 to #20 - niggastolemyname
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Or he had some plans laid down and then **** got all ****** up.
I don't understand why people can't fit this **** in with a belief in god.
#117 to #20 - Dap
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What I don't understand about the Christian faith is WHY GOD? If you believe in the existence of any sort of deity, the possibilities of:

-What the deity is
-How it created the universe
-The time it took
-The way it was done
-The deity's current interference with our lives

is utterly infinitesimal.

I'm an outspoken Atheist, but this is a question that has always amused me. It it just because "the bible says so"? Then why is the Christian God, THE God, as opposed to so many other beliefs and their respected God/s? And if there's so many beliefs, why do people even choose to believe in a certain one, rather than looking at modern studies and understandings we didn't have even 50 years ago and realizing they're all wrong?
#264 to #117 - revanthewin
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The way I see it, Christianity is the biggest and most popular religion in the world today. Sure, it may just disappear in the next millennium or so like many other religions have over the course of history, and Atheism, or some other belief could be true, but at this current point in time it's the most popular choice.

The answer to why it over any other religion is, why, if their religion was true, doesn't anyone believe in the Greek Gods anymore? Surely they could show themselves like they did in all the myths and prove that they exist, but they don't. Like I said before, though, Christianity could very well die out eventually, and then we'll see whether it really was right or not, but for the time being it's still the biggest religion in the world, and I choose to believe that the reason for that is because of God.

For me, I guess, the only two choices I'd consider would be Christianity or Atheism. The way I see it, if I go my whole life a Christian and it turns out there is no God, what have I really lost? Sure, I was wrong the whole time, but if I were an Atheism I'd be in the same boat. I've had a good life and believed in God the whole time. If I were an Atheist, on the other hand, then I'd be in trouble.

I'd probably have lived the same life, and gained nothing, but I would go to Hell. Though if you want to go even deeper into it you could argue that Hell probably doesn't exist because it was most likely added in by the Catholic Church around the same time they erased everything from the bible that they didn't like, but I digress. I'd stand nothing to gain from being an Atheist, other than being right, which wouldn't really matter since I'd be dead, so I really don't see the point.

tl;dr It just seems like the most logical choice to me, or the most hopeful one, I guess. Rather either go to Heaven or be wrong than go to Hell or be right.

Here's a dog for all the trouble of reading through this long ass reply.
User avatar #269 to #264 - Dap
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Lol I read through it, it was well structured and I fully understand your point. In my opinion, truly truly believe there is no heaven or hell, and when we die, consciousness ceases to exist.

When you wake up from a night of sleep and cannot remember falling asleep or the events that took place though the last ~8 hours, it's just a timeless, motionless, thoughless nothing, I believe that's what death is.

Yeah it's a pretty sad way to think, but in my opinion it's realistic and it's why we should enjoy our time on Earth, it's all we have. It's also the longest thing you will ever experience so it shouldn't be thought of as short! ;D
User avatar #273 to #269 - revanthewin
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You're entitled to your beliefs, but I guess it's just not the kind of way I'd like to think. It just seems too... dark of an ending for everyone. Maybe it is unrealistic and overly dramatic of me but I'd like to believe that there's some sort of reward and punishment after death.

Also I've read a lot of creepypastas about death on the internet and I'd like to keep my beliefs as far away from those as possible.
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User avatar #280 to #67 - lolollo
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Because there are two types of creation myths out there in the world.

1. The creation myths that already sound eerily similar to the Christian myth/Evolution already.
2. The creation myths that are so bawls off the wawls crazy that we'd like to ask the village elder who thought of it the phone number to his dealer.
#105 to #67 - anon id: 05254d0f
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I know, right? How about the Viking's creation myth, that says that a cow licked a salty ice block and made the first gods and then those gods created earth.
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE EVOLUTION TO ME
#115 to #20 - anon id: d26ba86d
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that is the catholic churches view on evolution now, its called an ongoing creation or something
#100 to #20 - anon id: ea383ba5
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Merging the two, it becomes Deitary Evolution. I've read books on this, it's one rocky road. Too much **** conflicts I wouldn't waste my time on it if I were you.
#382 to #20 - anon id: 20bac170
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Can he make a boob so big, that even he can't lift it?
User avatar #62 to #20 - matriculator
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Because everything, from the stories down to the characters in the bible were ripped from ancient Near East stories.
#108 to #62 - anon id: 05254d0f
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Source? Or hearsay?
#282 to #108 - lolollo
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YOU SPELLED HERESY WRONG!!
#349 to #20 - anon id: ddfc47ae
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The two together make up "intelligent design"
User avatar #31 to #20 - falloutfanatic
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One thing against it is some of the problems with our biology. Such as our heart that is based on a reptile style. With our ability for distance/endurance running a heart with more than 2 arterys would significantly help deliver oxygen through our blood.
User avatar #37 to #31 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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Assuming god exists, he might have his reasons for this. Perhaps we'll go extinct in the future, and be replaced by something superior. We don't know.
User avatar #39 to #37 - falloutfanatic
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Why create us in the first place to replace us with soemthing superior later?
User avatar #40 to #39 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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Why use evolution if you can use bloody god magic?

Who knows? As mortal humans, we cannot comprehend a being that has existed beyond the creation of our entire universe. Why create dinosaurs, if you're just going to wipe them out?
User avatar #41 to #40 - falloutfanatic
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Why create life if it only ends in death?
User avatar #42 to #41 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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Because playing the Sims is ******* fun.
User avatar #43 to #42 - falloutfanatic
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That my friend is a bona fide fact, lol.

But seriously i only ask the questions i do to make you think. I hate when people blindly follow something without at least trying to understand/comprehend it.

If it felt like i was trying to insult your ideals or beliefs, i was not, just simply asking questions.
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I didn't feel insulted. I just shot in a joke, since we managed to get ourselves into a philosophical loop.

And this is just a theory. I believe in evolution, but not in god. Fact is, I can't prove that god exists, or doesn't. Neither can I provide an instant observable piece of evidence for evolution, since it's such a slow process.

You could say this was an attempt to find a common ground between evolutionists and creationists.
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would ice cream be as good if you ate it all day every day without ever stopping or having another first bite of a new bowl?

Many important things seem to be defined by their transience. Like a flower, or an orgasm.
User avatar #343 to #20 - didactus
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Except the people who wrote the bible had no ******* clue about abiogenesis or evolution. So the idea that he is using evolution as a tool makes no sense from the beginning.
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Well you're assuming the bible is fictional, and although I agree with you, you can't use that argument against a Christian. The writers don't need to know since they're just putting God's word on paper.

If you assume God isn't real then there is no way evolution can be worked into the bible since it hadn't been thought of yet.

But if you assume it's simply the word of God put into a book through human hands, then although the word evolution is never said you can still believe he used it.
User avatar #430 to #415 - didactus
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Then the fallacy lies in the bible. And there are several places in the bible where god is directly givin orders.
User avatar #34 to #20 - failtolawl
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Honestly you are trying to merge the two, but it doesn't make any sense. Humans didn't just pop up, as the bible says. and we are ever changing even today.
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True enough. But assuming the Bible has the key issues correct, what is to say that faulty information has been added by people later on? The Bible has been revised several times in its existance.

In my case, I believe in evolution. It is something that I can see pieces of evidence of. And I don't believe in the Bible because I have seen no reason to believe what it says. This entire theory is based on whether god exists, and the Bible is largely correct on our origins, but misinterpreted by humans.
#303 to #34 - anon id: 50b7afd1
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Most christians I know accept that the old testament is ********. Especially Adam and Eve.
#65 to #34 - anon id: 263cd226
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no. the whole universe just pop up; right?
#76 to #65 - thatsdrfryetoyou
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although there's the theory that the big bang is just part of a greater cycle, he very well could have clapped his hands to create the universe and watch what his creation naturally does (evolution)
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It's an idea I don't take seriously, but a possibility regardless. All God needed to do was design the right physics mechanic and just the right initials conditions, and everything would play out from t=0 in deterministic fashion.
User avatar #122 to #65 - failtolawl
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no anonymous. even though you will never read this message, the big bang theory and the theory of evolution are completely non-correlated towards each other. That being said, the big bang "just popped up" in the same way a 30 ton mega bomb just "Explodes".
#326 to #20 - iamaniceperson
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Some people may have saw that coming...
User avatar #165 to #20 - metalmind
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Well, even the pope accepts evolution.
User avatar #398 to #165 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account**
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Depends which one you ask.
#323 to #20 - anon id: 3c975445
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people speculating and thinking they can think up new things for their religion every time someone asks a question is how religion got so ridiculously far-fetched in the first place.

dude, just stahp.
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My religion? To me god is just as real as mo'fuggin' Santa Claus. Yet, I cannot prove he does not exist. Yet I have no proof he does exist.

You need proof to back something up. But lack of proof does not mean it does not exist.
#152 to #20 - tehcookee
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When Charles Darwin published his theory he believed that it should not conflict with religion in any way. Your post is a very wide-held belief around the world
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And yet people still yell back and forth about it.
#288 to #20 - anon id: 433f0776
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In this case, god is doin a pretty bad job since over 99% of all species that ever existed have gone extint.

I like your thinking though! the world needs more true philosophers!
#133 to #20 - tbhp
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Darwin did not only svolve a huge riddle in the earths history but he did also, as one of the very first men ever proved religion wrong, so please, do not try and merge religion and science together.

this is the argument christians and all religious alike are starting to adopt, because they where proven dead wrong, and what else to do when the bible itself is proven wrong?
heeey, maybe god actually did this but it was like performed another way than it was written..

tl;dr
NO
User avatar #271 to #20 - darrensankari
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Assuming that the big bang and the evolutionary cycle was set in motion by a god, I'd be more inclined to believe that it was a different god, or gods, than the christian one.
#290 to #271 - lolollo
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You mean like the Daoist creation myth:

The Way gave birth to unity, Unity gave birth to duality, Duality gave birth to trinity, Trinity gave birth to the myriad creatures. The myriad creatures bear yin on their back and embrace yang in their bosoms. They neutralize these vapors and thereby achieve harmony. (tr. Mair 1990:9)

Wait......
#121 to #20 - anon id: 5e428655
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he is not omnipotent if he have to rest or if he live in a different time scale
#258 to #20 - anon id: 9f8d44aa
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It was 7 of HIS days his days are much more different our days are 24 hours his days could be god knows how long.
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Well, I'm a Muslim and I believe in evolution as a plausible mechanic in life. The only part Muslims refuse about evolution theory is the part that states humans have evolved from other species like apes.

And actually, I believe that some species also devolved, they evolved but we might think of it backwards, into others too. For example some humans might have devolved into apes, which, if I remember well, was a punishment for a group of people whom I don't remember their story.

I didn't delve into evolution much yet, so I can't vouch either way yet.
User avatar #313 to #107 - luqmanr
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I'm a muslim too, but I believe that Adam and Eve somehow was the first beings to be legitimately called a "human".

Also, on a non-related note to Evolution.

I've been a muslim all my life, but I have a view that your islam and my islam will be different. We will have some basic guidelines like salat, etc, and that will always be the same. But then, there's different views on interpretation of Qur-an and Prophet Muhammad saw's hadith. That is why there will always be forums and discussions between fellow muslims around the world, to keep the knowledge alive.

That's my view.
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There shouldn't be more than one branch of Islam as the knowledgeable people must agree on an interpretation. If this interpretation is revealed to be wrong, then change it, but if it was right, then good for everyone.

Only trivial stuff might be differently interpreted or things that are recently got into the spotlight. By trivial I mean things like if you were traveling in Ramadan, some say it is preferred not to fast during the traveling period.
#339 to #338 - zsabber
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I mean they always must find a common ground.
User avatar #277 to #107 - lolollo
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And you don't think that's justthenarrogance of your congregation poking through?
User avatar #234 to #107 - mcdonaldscupinc
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oh so you just disagree with human evolution. But not that animals have evolution. Cant have both mate.
#332 to #234 - zsabber
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Not that I don't believe in human evolution, but I believe they have a separate evolution line.
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I might have misread you, but you seem to hold the idea that evolution states humans evolved from apes. Is this correct?
#124 to #123 - zsabber
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No, but I stated that that is the part Muslims disagree with.
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Why would Muslims disagree with it, if evolution doesn't state that in the first place? The claim that evolution says "humans came from apes" is a common misconception.
#126 to #125 - zsabber
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Exactly, it is what most people think when hearing evolution.
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So in the Islamic view, do humans have their own special line of evolution separate from all other life? Or do we still share common ancestors with other species?
#132 to #127 - zsabber
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Probably a different line, since in Quran, God molded Adam by his own hand. That's at least my view on it, but I don't know how they interpret evolution in Islam. I'm just stating the common misconception.
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Oh, that's pretty interesting. I'm not Muslim, but I doubt there's a single take on the theory throughout the entire religion. I think the interpretations it's somewhat similar in the Christian religion.
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I was born a Muslim, but I passed through the time of doubt myself. What I found that I liked about it is that it promotes science. One rule applies all the time: Science cannot contradict Islam. If science says something, but Islam says another, then both are correct somehow.

For example, the same way greeks have a god for every other thing, we have an angel for ever other thing. science tells us wind and rain are created this way. God tells us it is Angels. Well, these angels must have a way of doing it. therefore, now we know how they do it.

bad example, but gives the basic idea.
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I'm Catholic and that's exactly what I believe to be honest. Plus the bible is for interpretation, not to be taken literally, most of the stories in there are just that, stories.
User avatar #90 to #20 - delphine
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that's what I've always thought. Genesis was written thousands of years ago by people with limited scientific knowledge as a work of ART to glorify God. It wasn't meant as science. Genesis is a poem with rhyme and meter, not as scientific history to be taken literally.
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Yet it was not too long after that the Jewish people took it as a true historical account. Whose to say the authors did not write it as a purportion of their own devout mythology?
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they used what they understood about the universe to make their story about what really happened. they didn't have access to the same information we do now so, for them, this was truth.

it's almost like what scientists do now. They form their own understanding based on the knowledge they have. as the gaps are filled in, the story changes. Darwin's theory of evolution wasn't 100% accurate, he made mistakes too. And as scientists fill in his missing information, our understanding of creation changes. The only difference is that those people assumed what they understood as "absolute truth" whereas modern scientists know that their theories are always subject to change if new information contradicts old ideas.
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Well personally, I believe in evolution, the big bang and etc. But the only thing that boggles not only my mind, but also scientist everywhere is... How did it start? Absolutely everything has a start and an end, nothing is eternal. If our universe was created via The Big Bang, what was before it? Another universe? Then what was before the other universe? And so on and so on?
This **** is why I will never go full Atheist, but that also doesn't mean I believe in one religion in particular. In my opinion something had to be a kick-starter for everything. Either something Divine or something not.
These are my 2 cents about evolution and creation of everything
just wanted to share my opinion
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why couldnt something be eternal? Just because humans cant get that something doesnt have a start or an end doesnt mean it cant exist, i truely believe that the universe is an eternal cycle. What lies beyond the black holes and what started the big bang i dont know. But i think there has always been something. The universe does not need a start, it has always been there.
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Neither one person on this universe can confirm this or deny it either. Because this fact is beyond a humans comprehension, at least for the time being. But opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.
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There's still just a lot of paradoxes that need to be solved before we can state for a 100% to know what happened.

If you believe in the big bang, then you'll be wondering what was before that. Was it god who started it?

If god started the big bang, then who created god?

Or perhaps, as atheism believes, there is no god. But that still leaves us with the question; what started it?

We're on a very long road to these answers. Lets hope as a species we'll live long enough to answer these.
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I think there's something called the life force philosophy or something like that, that's almost like what you said
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Or maybe god's measures of time convert a day to an era. The 7th era...
God ******* damn it, that sounds ******* cool
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The bible says God created Adam and eve, the very first humans. Scientists can trace our genetic DNA way farther back than 6000 years, not specifically maybe, but they use this technique to identify 'bottlenecks' in genetic code that would indicate a species being nearly eradicated at some point. If all humans descended from just 2, there would be clear evidence in our genes. And as far as I'm concerned, if even one story in the bible can be shown to be false, then you have proven that it is not infallible.
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They were the first humans. Lilian was the second human, but she was cast out for trying to dominate Adam. Originally women did not come from man, but Eve came from Adams rib in order to stop her wanting to dominate the man.
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The bible doesn't say those two are the very first humans... Everyone seems to forget about the first heaven and earth that was around for billions of years that was ruled over by lucifer. There were humans on that version of earth, too.
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My point is still valid.
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that isn't the arguement. What you are talking about is Atheism vs Theism. This is Evolution vs the Design theory in that people believe we never evolved and that the world has only been around for >7000 years
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I'm not seing the logic.

If evolution is a self functioning mechanism, how is it exactly god is using evolution to form life.

A laid back god who takes the credit of work he didn't do.

If he doesn't do things, why even worship him if he did exist.

He doesn't really exist of course.
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Imagine you're programming a portion of code that's supposed to do something simple...like add two numbers. You set it up where it takes in the two numbers, and then you write the code that adds them, and finally you write the line that displays it.

Evolution is the portion of code that adds the two numbers. Are YOU the one doing the adding? No, but you're the one who designed the code that does it. Now you have something set up where you only need the two numbers in order to come to the answer.

Now imagine that evolution is a million times more complicated than just adding two numbers......you make it where the program takes in something small and insignificant...like the readings on the mass/charge/energy of a proton, neutron, and electron, and what it spits out is matter, light, soil, water, fish, birds, people, emotion, happiness, love, rejection, loneliness, depression, alcoholism, and suicide.
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And you'd still have us believe that this designer chose to impregnate a virgin, set up some fancy rules, and totally not be on the other team that says they impregnated their virgin and not yours.

Even if you had a designer god, it's still far from logical to jump to a god that actually cares about you (if that is even something you believe, my apologies if not).

It still didn't satisfy me though, it seems to me evolution is perfectly imaginable to happen without a god as well, and its more likely there was natural properties that set everything in motion than an omnipotent mind.

Wouldn't you admit that evolution could easily happen in a universe governed by natural properties inherent to our universe, and just out of curiosity, what made you come to the conclusion that a god must be behind it?
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As for how I came to the conclusion that a God must be behind it...I never did. I'm an agnostic. I find the belief that all of this came just from nothing for nothing just as hard to believe that there is some bearded father figure keeping watch over us. I find it a nice ida, but my beliefs are more one of Deism. I don't believe the question should if there is a God, but more if there was one, would he really give a rats ass about it.

The answer is probably no.
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Bugs in the system. Any programmer will tell you that the more lines you put in code, the more bugs are going to pop up. What you're doing is looking at one of those bugs, people bickering over a virgin birth and conflicting beliefs, and using it to conclude that there is no programmer. No, that's not good logic. All that does is disprove the existence of one certain God/Programmer. It doesn't disprove the idea of God entirely.

I believe it's Deism that holds the belief that the existence of a God is likely, but if he does, that he probably doesn't give a rats ass about us. It uses the nature of omnipotence/omniscience to come to the conclusion that a God with those traits, at worst, probably wouldn't even know he's created us. Think about it, do you care of the opinions of a prokaryote? Chances are you probably don't even know it's there until your kitchen starts to smell. It just leaves the question of whether or not this God meant to create us or not.
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I'm guessing he means every generation or so he tweeks the design a bit, whether it's physical or not mentally and see how it goes.
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If he created us in his own image does that mean god started out as an amoeba and continuously takes the form of his most evolved species?
User avatar #60 to #59 - dragontamers
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I don't know I'm just trying to make sense of the comment.
User avatar #50 to #45 - sanguinesolitude
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how about a god who designed the rules to work so well at the beginning that he doesnt need to step in and intervene, knowing before anything happened exactly how it would turn out. being a creator could mean he set it in motion, without actually having to control the details.


I dont believe any of that but it seems possible if you want to believe in a god.
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In the bible there is a genealogical account of Jesus' descent, going all the way back to Adam, the first human. It is clear that Jesus didn't believe that evolution was used as a tool to create humans. In fact, if anything the bible teaches the exact opposite!
The bible teaches that humans were perfect at one point, not able to die of old age or illness, but they became imperfect and "devolved" from that point on (to a certain limit, not like we will die at age 25 eventually). There can even be noticed a fairly gradual decrease in the age of biblical characters, starting off at like 900 years old and eventually dropping down to 70/80 years old.

Evolution simply can't mix with the bible, unless people cherry-pick what they want to believe from the bible, which is unreasonable.
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You make a fair point. Then again, it depends on what people believe. The Bible and its various interpretations have spawned over 200 different sub-groups of Christianity, a lot of which are very small, though. Human's faith is an odd thing.
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If people would devote more time and effort to finding actual truth when it comes to the bible and trying not to be directed by bias, there wouldn't be as many "Christian" denominations. I do however believe that people need a teacher to study with them instead of studying all on their own. I really like the Jehovah's Witnesses, since they go for hard facts and are not involved in any old non-Christian traditions like many holidays (Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc.). They are a good example of people doing honest and unbiased research. They also devote their lives to the bible, like the first Christians did in Jesus' time.

I do believe there is more to somebody's faith than just interpretations. It needs the studying of doctrine and thorough understanding. If people would study just 1-2 hours a week it could do wonders to their faith (with the right direction, otherwise people might get confused or everyone could draw their own personal opinions). I recommend Jehovah's Witnesses.
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This is true, but it isn't simply all due to interpretation. Many people have culture related superstitions and such. Like catholicism in Germany, for example, is very different from catholicism in Mexico.

Truth is, most "Christians" don't base their faith on the bible, but on what they're told and taught by their parents and their environment. This is very much unlike what the new Christians did in Jesus' time, they actually devoted their life to their faith, it was their #1 priority. Today it generally has a much lower priority or is something that lives in the background of somebody's life.
If people really truly wanted to learn what the bible actually teaches, they would set their priorities straight. They would want truth, even if it is scary (like when people find out their held believes are proven wrong).
People have maybe 7+ subjects at school, most people don't spend as much time studying the book their faith is based on as they do studying just 1 of their school subjects 1/2
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Dude... that part of the bible makes no sense. Let's be honest. It has to be taken EXTREMELY metaphorically and lots of christians just ignore it. Because...
"Let there be light!" is kinda pointless since apparently nothing else has been made.
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I'm just being philosophical here. To take my theory any further, one would have to assume that what is written in the Bible on this is correct in large lines. Also, the Bible is written by man's hand. I can't argue on the original Bible, but every Bible afterwrads has been. And it has been translated so many times, I wouldn't not be surprised if a lot of passages said something completely different a millenium back or so.
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There was no "original Bible" within the lifetime of any of the authors who wrote its composing books. The first edition was probably compiled years after they were dead and has since been added to and parts omitted.
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Well, there are people who believe the Bible was written by god. And then you have people who believe it was compiled over the ages, which is what also a bunch of people believe, and what we have evidence to back up that statement. The origins of the Bible are just vague, because a lot of the writings were written before Christianity was popular, and the origins of which we can only take on the word of the Vatican or other major religious groups.
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The bible was written by God through revelation given to man. The original hebrew (OT) and greek (NT) texts are about as accurate a version as you're gonna get. The translations were all done by scholars and people who added words and phrases, sometimes entire verses (italics in KJV), because there wasn't a perfect translation, or something didn't make sense so they made sense of it.
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I am fairly well versed when it comes to the bible. If anyone claims that the seven creation days were literal, they're simply letting me know that they don't know what they're talking about.

When Jesus was accused by the Jews of working on the sabbath for healing people: "16 So on this account the Jews went persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things during Sabbath. 17 But he answered them: “My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.”" John 5:16. 17
From this we can conclude that even in Jesus' day, Jesus claimed that God's seventh day wasn't over.

When being spoken of certain prophecies that might take longer times to be fulfilled, this is said "...that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." 2 peter 3:8
It doesn't have to be a literal 1000 years for a day, but an indication of God perceiving time differently from us.

Evolution doesn't mix with biblical teachings either.
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#253 to #20 - crazypotato
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yeah we can fantasize all we want. but where's the proof that god exists?
#268 to #253 - lolollo
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He's not claiming he exists, he's basing his comment on the assumption that he does. It's called hypothesizing. It usually requires an imagination, which I'm assuming you don't have if all you have to bring to the discussion is to be that guy who just shouts "but where's the proof!"
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what ever nerd
User avatar #276 to #274 - lolollo
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And you claim to know what you're talking about.
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lol just be quiet nerd u never get girls xD
#325 to #324 - lolollo
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You can't out troll me.
#176 to #20 - ookichinchindesu
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But He actually describes what a day is in that chapter, so you know it's an actual day.
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He describes it in a way that we can understand.

Or more accurately, the middle eastern authors wrote it in a way that they could understand, as they wouldn't have had the understanding to think that God would have his own cosmological cycle equivalent to our day/night.

Or much more accurately, the bible is full of such hyperbole, and so when you try to use what it literally says to disprove God, all you're doing is looking at the ignorance of a 5 year old to try and disprove his parents.
#428 to #272 - ookichinchindesu
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I wasn't trying to disprove anything, I am Christian. I am was just tired of hearing people mash evolution and Christianity together. I take a lot literally lol
User avatar #429 to #428 - lolollo
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Well, if you think about it though, mashing them together might be good for all the butthurt.
#431 to #429 - ookichinchindesu
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Probably not, you shouldn't change the bible to please people, it's there problem
User avatar #102 to #20 - fukkentyranitar
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I think of evolution as god giving earth patches and dlc.
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I like this . Since i do have a slight religious ( very slight religious) side to me , this makes me feel good int he fact that , hey , maybe when i die i get to go to a pretty heaven but it also makes me feel bad as im probably just a NPC in the videogame earth.
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If you're an NPC then the hero died a long ******* time ago
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Maybe we're just waiting for the sequel.
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-"In the beginning, we were all fish. Okay? Swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a retard baby, and the retard baby was different, so it got to live. So Retard Fish goes on to make more retard babies, and then one day, a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its mutant fish hands and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this retard frog-sqirrel, and then that had a retard baby which was a monkey-fish-frog, and then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey, and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey…and that made you! So there you go! You’re the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!"

-Ms. Garrison, South Park
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see you on the front page
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Am i the only one who finds it quite ironic that pretty much all the comments are about 'how crazy a ********* is inc', or 'how terrible it is to discuss religion in general'?
Actually this seems to be the case for pretty much all post regarding religion. Why are people obsessing about how these "religious"- or "atheist-nutjobs" are going to make a 'fool' of themselves in the comment section. Arguing religion over the internet might be a waste of time, but arguing about how much you dislike people discussing religion on the internet is even more pathetic.

TLDR: If all you can contribute to a debate; is about how you think the debate in itself is stupid, you should shut the **** up.
#265 to #46 - thenewneone
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you're pathetic.
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You dropped your spaghetti.
#78 to #46 - thatsdrfryetoyou
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Furthermore, if we assume the internet is an evolution of communication (perhaps the offspring of ancient greek forums), what better place could we discuss philosophy and religion?
User avatar #315 to #46 - hudis
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You are great, I agree with you and I like you.
User avatar #54 to #46 - YllekNayr
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THIS IS MY FAVORITE COMMENT I'VE READ THIS YEAR.
User avatar #48 to #46 - sanguinesolitude
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your post was cogent and logical... i hate you and everything you love
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#242 to #239 - shaddz
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not really, the people pointing the guns are the Atheists and agnostics etc who understand how to argue factually and functionally.... however the religious persons face when
#257 to #242 - migzdgreat
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Hey, let's make another joke about how aethists and agnostics are a lot more logical than Chrisitans that are always stereotyped to be extremists shoving their opinions down a throat.
User avatar #261 to #257 - shaddz
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found the Christian.... fyi never said christians did I, no I said religious people because your all idiots, just by being religious you prove that you are an idiot.
User avatar #263 to #261 - migzdgreat
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Based on what facts? I though being atheist or agnostic was specifying facts, why are you being so opinionated then?
User avatar #284 to #263 - shaddz
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if your christian mate there is no point presenting facts to you, if christians listened to facts there would be no christianity.
User avatar #291 to #284 - migzdgreat
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I love the fact where logic is your defense in this argument when you can't differentiate your and you're.


Don't give me an excuse like 'English isn't my 1st language' well, it isn't mine either.


User avatar #293 to #291 - shaddz
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i love how you cant differentiate logic and the fact that I cannot be bothered to type in full structured grammar just to appease you.
User avatar #294 to #293 - migzdgreat
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Some people just can't take people who have no grammatical structure in their sentence seriously.


Specially when you're talking about superiority in terms of thinking.
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says the christian
User avatar #302 to #300 - migzdgreat
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Nice argument you got there.



Ain't got time for your **** anymore you 'logical' atheist who believes in his 'facts' and doesn't have time to create 'grammatically correct' sentences.
#304 to #302 - shaddz
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never said I was athiest, once again you jump to conclusions, so far all you have done is mock and demand but you still have yet to prove to me that you have an ounce of logic in your system if your whole argument comes to butthurt statements demanding I prove to you that there is no god and then mocking my grammar. You are pathetic
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Congrats, you finally capitalized the 1st word in a sentence.
User avatar #306 to #304 - migzdgreat
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I'm sorry, I forgot that beliefs in a God could not coincide with beliefs in the scientific field.


I really am also sorry that the only argument you came up with was 'Hey, why are you correcting my grammar? ' and 'You're a Christian so... no to your opinions'
User avatar #312 to #306 - shaddz
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Ok listen up you insufferable moron. First off all you have as an argument is grammar, want to play it your war sure, PROVE to me with FACTS that there is a god and then PROVE to me that it is the right god of aaaaaaaalll of the religions out there.
The fact of the matter is that if you are stupid enough to believe in the ramblings of men from thousands of years ago where electricity was considered magic and the work of god and that just because you are too scared to deal with the fact that you are a decomposing biological organism then no you are not ready to understand science. Sure science cannot prove there is no god because there is no evidence to use on it the same way we cannot prove there is no ******* tooth fairy. Just because you like to jam your face up your own arse and inhale the juicy vapor of your own arrogance blasting people for little things like grammar does not mean you are in any way a logical human being. Religion and people like you are why humanity is held back because we have to pander to you ********* instead of making real goddamn progress, is that what you wanted, you wanted to sit online and waste that much time to be presented with something real there you ******* go I am now waiting on your response to prove to me once and for all there is a god, hell i got a better idea how about you push a gun to your temple and squeeze that trigger and go find him for us.
User avatar #341 to #312 - rawrimdaisy
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"humanity is held back because we have to pander to you *********"

Religion helps a lot of people think morally and without it we'd probably be doing some ****** up things like cloning people.
User avatar #360 to #341 - shaddz
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religion has nothing to do with morality, so you are saying in order to think about moral things you HAVE to be religious?
User avatar #363 to #360 - rawrimdaisy
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No, that;s why I said "helps a lot of people" ?
User avatar #367 to #363 - shaddz
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it doesn't though, morality has nothing to do with religion. In fact without religion a good person will be a good person and a bad person will be a bad person, with religion bad people remain bad but only then does a good person do bad things because he is brainwashed into believing the bad deeds are for the good of all.
User avatar #369 to #367 - rawrimdaisy
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Not really because Christians believe in the sanctity of life and all that jazz and I believe if we didn't have that, the value of life would be very much worn away by now
User avatar #370 to #369 - shaddz
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yes Christians believe in the sanctity of life, and burning witches, and killing people for not converting, and the inquisition, need I go on? Good people doing bad things for a misguided belief
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I'm just saying, from what I've learned, religion helps many people do good things because they think they have a God to impress and honour. Without religion they may see no purpose in life and find it hard to accept that we are meaningless.
User avatar #377 to #369 - shaddz
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it doesn't bother me what someone believes in their heart and in their mind as long as it is a personal thing I have a christian fgriend who is becoming a priest, I have a jehovas witness friend, one of my favourite teachers was a mormon... but the fact that humanity is held back because of the majority of these people because they BELIEVE it is right to push it out there and push it on everyone and in so doing hold back the rest of humanity, that is where I have a problem, science, culture, civilization, the advancement of the human race has been and still is being held back because of religion
User avatar #373 to #369 - shaddz
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post limit reached. how is that an argument for religion. Feeling down? We have the solution, accept this imaginary friend and do something with your life!
They have the full capability of doing better without adding a delusion to the mix that gets passed down like a virus from generation to generation.
User avatar #374 to #373 - rawrimdaisy
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But why does it bother you so much if somebody believes in a god?
User avatar #340 to #312 - migzdgreat
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If I was any more adventurous than I was I wouldn't be arguing with you on the internet. I suggest you take a chill pill and stop telling people off just because of their beliefs. What proof does scientific theories have? It's not called a theory for having enough proof just the same as Christianity is not called a religion for basing 'faith' on facts. I study in a catholic school and I apply Christian values, I don't go around knocking on peoples doors saying 'Hey, Christianity rulezzz and atheism sux fagit bawls.'


I'm very reasonable until someone suddenly bashes what I stand for. Also, here's a quote from 'Wanted' "What have you done with your life lately?"
User avatar #361 to #340 - shaddz
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nice avoiding my question there, I am still waiting, apparently it is ok for you to demand facts but you cannot provide any and not all science is theory halfwit.
User avatar #380 to #361 - migzdgreat
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I'm not saying everything is a theory I'm saying that the way creationism is a legend is the same way the Big Bang or the Nebular theory are just theories.
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I am tired of having to post this image, but here it is once again.
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I never realized Buddhists and Muslims bothered you on the internet.
User avatar #283 to #262 - shaddz
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i do not count Buddhism as a religion more as a path, self advancement is an honorable goal and they do not deny science in the name of an imaginary being
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I don't consider

'Hey, I'm a 12 year old who consider God fake because people on the internet tell me so and it's kind cool. Also, Justin Beaver is gay XDDXD'

as a path, more like a nuisance.
User avatar #298 to #292 - shaddz
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actually 26, degrees in philosophy and religion and am working toward a doctorate in biology, specific path not chosen yet, please do not jump to conclusions just because I do not pander to what you believe
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**tonyredgrave rolled a random image posted in comment #4915375 at My Little Pony fanfiction, backgrounds, songs, lyrics, and GIFs. ** And I'm the guy in the corner eating cheeze-its
#128 - millennial
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lordpsa summed up everything in one badass quote a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
#170 to #128 - xxenriquejuansonxx
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That was seriously awesome, thanks for sharing
That was seriously awesome, thanks for sharing
#171 to #170 - millennial
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Someone was polite on FJ.
I can now die a happy man.
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I'm glad I can help man haha
by the way, your profile picture/gif is completely awesome
#175 to #173 - millennial
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You're way too polite to be on FJ.
I love you
#177 to #175 - xxenriquejuansonxx
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I am? Damn, I'll try to fix it....um...you're....not straight? Ha, now I'm rude enough >
I am? Damn, I'll try to fix it....um...you're....not straight? Ha, now I'm rude enough >
#178 to #177 - millennial
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Now you're doing it right!
#193 to #128 - theshadowed
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That was one of the most single beautiful things I have ever read in my life
That was one of the most single beautiful things I have ever read in my life
#194 to #193 - millennial
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you're beautiful for using a game of thrones gif
#195 to #194 - theshadowed
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Thank you. I have many more
Thank you. I have many more
#197 to #195 - millennial
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You should dump them all
Take a wallpaper
#199 to #197 - theshadowed
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Well, I suppose I will then.
Well, I suppose I will then.
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There you go millenial
There you go millenial
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#231 to #193 - millennial
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Goddamn I love you and your game of thrones gifs.
Goddamn I love you and your game of thrones gifs.
User avatar #224 to #128 - ainoninom
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I thought all christians thought like this...

My mother always said that "God is a scientist", implying that god created science and stuff, god invented gravity, orbits etc and therefore we revolve around the sun, and we stay on the ground.
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That's either a giant chicken, or a really small T-Rex.
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User avatar #147 to #143 - ilolzville
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Well only if one wants to use the Bible as a science book. Which it isn't. Humans are capable of making mistakes, which means that if science "disproves" something which was accepted as a "fact" means that it wasn't supposed to be taken as "fact." Example: the idea that the world is flat, the world is obviously not flat. However to a person unable to see that the world ISN'T flat or never taught or shown that it isn't flat, he would assume it IS flat. The Bible is meant for a completely different purpose then to explain the manner in which God created the world. We use Science to figure that **** out.
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The Bible actually implies that the world is round, also i believe that the whole world is flat thing is a big lie, most people back then did not think it was flat. Although i can not remember which teacher had told me this
#145 to #143 - sonoriti
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''I personally don't believe in God, but we shouldn't with people who do.'' I think that's what this person was trying to say.
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You seem to forget.

about 20 years ago... all people who believed in god DIDN'T believe in evolution.

by in large those who are religious tend to fight it for a while (ie the world being round) but eventually you bowl over and just accept what was originally blasphemous.


And that is what makes it funny.

The wishy washy behavior of it all.
#141 to #118 - sonoriti
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I like this comment. I like it very much.
I like this comment. I like it very much.
User avatar #150 to #118 - rhiaanor
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Was that said? No. It said CREATIONISTS, WHICH MEAN THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION.
#136 to #118 - ranzoray
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Humans gonna human
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My face when German artillery gun.
My face when German artillery gun.