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#1 - tomthehippie (06/30/2013) [-]
You do realize that the patriot act and NSA spying were all started under Bush, and when Republicans had a majority in both houses of Congress they threatened to shut down the federal government if those programs weren't continued, right?

Please try to know your politics before you post this ******** on the internet.
#31 to #1 - rupok ONLINE (07/01/2013) [-]
So what if they were started by bush? Obama expanded it and made it 10X worse with executive powers when he could have easily stopped them since the NSA is under his control. I can't believe some people still blame it on bush even tho he has been gone for 5 years.
#39 to #31 - tomthehippie (07/01/2013) [-]
The problem is that it was shoved down his throat by republicans who threatened to shut down the federal government if Obama didn't ratify the current version of the Patriot Act.

There for, Bush created it, House and Senate Republicans expanded it; therefore it isn't Obama's fault.

Try knowing politics before you talk about it on the internet.
User avatar #27 to #1 - useroftheLOLZ (07/01/2013) [-]
Little known fact, in spite of Obama saying he would review and remove programs like the TSA, when he was elected, he increased funding to several different programs, who's nature was akin to the TSA, this included the TSA as well.
#40 to #27 - tomthehippie (07/01/2013) [-]
Little known fact; after Republicans gained a majority in Congress they shoved the Patriot Act, in it's current incarnation, as well as funding for TSA and other groups.

In the future, do a little research before saying things on the internet; you are obviously on the internet, google isn't that hard to type.
User avatar #8 to #1 - Javapenguin ONLINE (07/01/2013) [-]
Thank you. Someone finally said it. I'm getting real sick of people thinking the government gives two ***** about what kind of **** you are doing. The only thing they look for is god damn patterns that could lead to a terrorist threat.
#38 to #8 - anonexplains (07/01/2013) [-]
Yes, that is what they're doing now but could it be possible that if we give this little bit up then as time progresses they will just want more and more until we have no privacy?
#11 to #8 - infinitereaper ONLINE (07/01/2013) [-]
You said terrorist, you are now on the watch list!
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#9 to #8 - tomthehippie (07/01/2013) [-]
It is a ****** up program, but it isn't as bad as it is made out to be.
#5 to #1 - fellatio (07/01/2013) [-]
What i found crazy was how a guest on bill maher said its no different from when reps did it and dems were pissed to now when dems did it and everyone is pissed. There is a difference, when Bush did it; democrates were pissed off. Now republicans get the treatment they dished out and they freak the **** out (same with most dems).

tl;dr republicans are getting pissed that they are exposed to the same things they expose others too and democrates dont want to be spied upon
#6 to #5 - tomthehippie (07/01/2013) [-]
Yeah, it is ****** up, but one thing that is being glossed over by (most) is that the NSA isn't recording every phone conversation or facebook message; they are recording who is calling who, or who is messaging who.

Basically they are looking for connections to "terrorist" groups, only if they find these connections do they start recording conversations.

It is still ****** up, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as blatant as most people are making it out to be.
#3 to #1 - anonexplains (07/01/2013) [-]
Did you ever think maybe that it isn't propaganda in the favour of the republican party.
And instead was made to show the currents governments tireny.
Side not please excuse my spelling.
#4 to #3 - tomthehippie (07/01/2013) [-]
Then why does it show Obama? Sense the spying going on was shoved down his throat. If it was "made to show the current government's spying" then wouldn't it show the people responsible? In other words, republicans in congress and Bush?
User avatar #7 to #4 - TheAndroid (07/01/2013) [-]
Scapegoat. A classic political move, used by Hitler regarding Jews; we all know where that ended up. Same principal here, was probably made by a republican. By shifting the blame to him, they can avoid a lot of heat.

And while a educated person can use common sense to see the truth, people in general exhibit a herd mentality, and this is often the result.
#10 to #7 - tomthehippie (07/01/2013) [-]
Yeah. Its like blaming the dept on Obama.

5.something trillion existed before Bush took office, how ever under Clinton's budget it would have been paid off by now (maybe next year, or the year after, at the latest) so I still blame that debt on him, then it became 11 trillion before Obama, how ever another 3 trillion of debt under Obama was due to rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as costs of keeping our soldiers overseas, which (as an invading force) we were forced to do under the Geneva Convention, therefore, still Bush's fault.

So that leaves less than 3 trillion of debt due to Obama, which countered a new depression and saved the auto industry.

Pisses me off when people try to say that Obama has spent more than any president before him.
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