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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
User avatar #38 - delphine
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Or maybe men could... I don't know... pick a woman that isn't such a bitch? they might not always be smokin' hot or find "women in the kitchen jokes" as funny as you do, but they do exist and with an attitude adjustment you might be able to hold onto one.
User avatar #75 to #38 - pjawesomeness
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People could do a lot of things.
User avatar #43 to #38 - othagovna
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Part of the problem is that these man-hating ones are able to do all sorts of things to make a man's life miserable with the man having little or no ability to do anything about it.

If a woman hates a guy she could falsely accuse him of things like sexual harassment to spite him, and frequently there is little the man can do to defend against this or the ramifications is can have on his social/professional life.

Don't think it can happen?

In high school a girl who (for whatever reason didn't seem to like me, but wouldn't say why) threatened to falsely accuse me of "sexual harassment" when I was sitting nearby during lunch. After pleading to know what I was even doing to offend her she finally told me it was my pants that she was allegedly feeling were sexual harassment directed at her. (I was wearing perfectly normal jeans that fit my body and weren't baggy).

Later, when I was in college, a girl in one of my studio art courses threatened to falsely accuse me of "sexual harassment" if I ever said another word to her. (All I had done was casually say hello and ask how she was doing with her project on my way into the classroom, but I didn't want to press my luck by asking what I had done in this case, so I just ended up avoiding her). The thing is though, this girl would regularly come into class and start talking about her kinky sex life and about the markings left on her body by said kinky sex. She would even make artwork depicting herself in these sexual acts.
User avatar #46 to #43 - delphine
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yes, well that's how poorly women were treated for thousands of years up until recently. I don't deny that some terrible women will falsly accuse men of sexual harassment and believe me it pisses me off just as much, because cases like that make it even harder for women who are actually being sexually harassed to do anything about it or even be taken seriously.

I have a friend who is a female cop, and one of her coworkers would make lewd comments, send graphic text messages, and would slap her ass, and when she reported it to her superior he told her suck it up because he was just joking around. His behavior is unprofessional and was making her life miserable, and it was why she quit.

I also know that men have to be extremely careful in the work environment. I have to be careful, even as a woman. Because I am a teacher. We have to be so careful about what we say or do, because if a child accuses us of anything we can lose our jobs. My school has a "hands-off" policy where we are not allowed to physically touch our students, even a pat on the back. It's not to protect students-- it's to protect teachers from getting sued or fired. One of my coworkers was sued for simply "embarassing a child in front of his peers".
User avatar #52 to #46 - othagovna
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I'm not talking about thousands of years worth of history though.

Less masculine and weaker men have faced these types of problems for just as long as women. It's not like it has always only been women being treated like that, so it's a bit unfair to defend women who act like that by saying things like "well that's how women have been treated for thousands of years".

I get that you're saying you are against that type of behavior, but I'm just pointing out that your wording reflects a desire (be it conscious or unconscious) to also defend it. (Guess who almost minored in psychology.)
User avatar #60 to #52 - delphine
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hmmm... let me guess, you?
Well, that's part of the reason I did decide to work with kids. The system might be awful but children don't yet understand or care about things like this. They are more concerned about the fairness someone budging in front of them in line than they are about the fairness of gender politics.
#50 to #46 - ogloko
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public schools are prone to the most egregious violations of freedom, law, and logic
User avatar #44 to #43 - darkangeloffire
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Hypocrisy at its finest.
User avatar #49 to #44 - othagovna
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After being treated like that by women for so many years I read up a bit on what constitutes "sexual harassment". Based on the definitions and policies regarding it that I read, I actually started to theorize that if a guy is beta enough he might be able to turn these kinds of false accusations around on the girl by sheer virtue of being too beta to have possibly done what she is accusing him of.

Of course the problem with this is that if he is THAT beta it could be difficult for him to actually bring himself to turn the tables on a girl like that, so it may require the assistance of a friend who is more self confident. That way the friend could just help the victim explain to whichever authority figure the matter is brought up with that the girl who make the false claim was actually sexually harassing the guy.

After all, who in their right mind is going to believe that the guy, who is so beta that it's a miracle his testes haven't literally shriveled and fallen off from atrophy, could have done something like intentionally sexually harassed anyone?