Gyarados is x4 weakness to electricity if I recall correctly

thunderpunch is 4x super effective against Gyarados with or without STAB it would wreck a Gyarados

x4 weakness to eletric attacks.... unless it has a focus sash, it's dead.
Now unless there's a big gap between the levels, that's a dead gyrados.

It's really the advent of a thousand new moves and learnables that basically renders any pokemon super vulnerable. This was extremely apparent in Pokemon Pearl and Diamond. The Elite 4 was designed to super effective nearly everything.

In the old games you had to have the type to have the super effective or elemental advantage, these days, many types can learn all types of non type moves.

Thats what I'm talking about.

One Thunderpunch is going to take out Gyarados.

Are you sure? That move is categorically weak based on my experience. It's never been enough to sacrifice a move slot for. Due to it's elemental nature and low base damage?

Base 75 ain't too shabby. It's not good, but it's not bad either.

It depends on what Pokemon who use it. Alakazam, for instance, can't use that move for **** (unless we're talking Gen 2 and Gen 3) due to his terrible attack.. Whereas a decently strong Pokemon such as Infernape would easily knock it out.

Hmm.. I dunno, I've used that move so many times and it always falls short.

Believe me, I'm a competitive battler. I know this kinda stuff.

And Gyarados can only take Thundershock.

I guess I don't use your type of pokemon, I do know that Gyarados is pretty speedy and has enough moves to counteract a hell of a lot.

Gyarados is one of the slower mons. His benefit is in the move Dragon Dance, which increases his Speed and Attack, and his respectable bulk. His abilities Moxie and Intimidate are also very useful.

jeezus.

The one thing Gyarados lacks is a good Flying type STAB, as Bounce (his best option) is very unreliable.

What about Arial Ace?

Gyarados can't learn it, and it's pretty damn weak. The only Pokemon that are allowed to use Aerial Ace is Delibird and Scyther.

My Butterfree uses Arial Ace... You got a problem with that?

Yes.

Well she'll be feeding on your dreams then.

Also how come only those two are allowed to use Arial Ace, a lot of Pokémon can learn it? Is it a tournament thing?

It's just that Aerial Ace is a subpar move. All Pokemon who can learn it has access to much better moves. Delibird has the ability Hustle, which increases the attack power on all physical moves in trade for accuracy, and Aerial Ace can tke advantage of the attack power without losing out on the accuracy. Delibird is still **** , and should never be used.

Scyther has the ability Technician, which boosts the power of all moves with 60 basepower or less, and after Technician as well as STAB, we have a base 135 Attack in Aerial Ace; over double the power. Scyther is a much more viable option than Delibird.

Huh, that's actually pretty smart, well done.

Mhm.

Nonononono. 5/6 out of my team is outsped by a Breloom, and I really do not enjoy leading off with my sweepers. This usually means that people find it safe to lead with Breloom, as when you look at my team it looks more or less like a Hazards+MoxieOutrage team. It is easily exploitable, especially considering how they end up rendering one part of the team useless from t1.

As for switching Mence in later, I have no problems with that. I just don't like leading off with him.


As I said, the team consists of Standard Physically Defensive Hippo, TSpikes Tentacruel, SpeDef Jellicent, Rocky Helmet Ferro, Choice Scarf Scizor and SpecialMence. The team is awfully slow by a simple look, having only one Pokemon at 100 basespeed. Breloom's 70 Basespeed is higher than the entire team, and unless someone expects a max speed Tentacruel, then they are usually safe leading with Loom.

No, it's not. Specs and E-belt everywhere. The occasional Scarf Latios pops up, but it's nowhere as much used as the Specs and E-belt sets.
Breloom is a fine lead against a team with a Ferro, a Hippo, a Jellicent, a Scizor and a Tentacruel. A Spore can **** over that, easily.

I'm only running it because I want to. I know it's bad.

Reveals that my team doesn't have a single Pokemon faster than 370, which many players can exploit. This team isn't offensively oriented.

Breloom tends to lead for early Spore, and so it's simple to just eradicate it. And since I run a special Salamence on the team, I kinda don't want to reveal him very early.

Scarf Scizor deals with the Latis as well. The team I have it on is extremely weak to them if they have HP Fire, so I can both use it as a lure and be able to knock 'em out with the U-turn. You rarely see scarf variants of the Latis, so it's mostly a safe option.

I run Aerial Ace Scarf Scizor, now that you mention it.

Breloom is my reason.

Hm....

whatever, maybe my memory is just fuzzy.

As long as he has the Wacan Berry, of course.