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#42 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/29/2013) [-]
>Implying one Thunderpunch is going to take out a Gyarados   
>Implying winners don't do drugs   
Gyarados is OP
>Implying one Thunderpunch is going to take out a Gyarados
>Implying winners don't do drugs

Gyarados is OP
User avatar #129 to #42 - witzelsucht (06/30/2013) [-]
Gyarados is x4 weakness to electricity if I recall correctly
User avatar #89 to #42 - jimmyprice ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
thunderpunch is 4x super effective against Gyarados with or without STAB it would wreck a Gyarados
User avatar #76 to #42 - laspussy (06/30/2013) [-]
x4 weakness to eletric attacks.... unless it has a focus sash, it's dead.
Now unless there's a big gap between the levels, that's a dead gyrados.
User avatar #80 to #76 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
It's really the advent of a thousand new moves and learnables that basically renders any pokemon super vulnerable. This was extremely apparent in Pokemon Pearl and Diamond. The Elite 4 was designed to super effective nearly everything.
#116 to #80 - anonymous (06/30/2013) [-]
What are you even talking about? More moves being created doesn't make a pokemon weaker. They have always been types that have covered a vast majority of pokemon. Ghost/fighting is not resisted by any pokemon. Ice/electric forms the infamous bolt beam combo. Ground/ice also has phenomenal coverage.

Super effective coverage means nothing. Neutral coverage is key.
User avatar #134 to #116 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
In the old games you had to have the type to have the super effective or elemental advantage, these days, many types can learn all types of non type moves.

Thats what I'm talking about.
User avatar #56 to #42 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
One Thunderpunch is going to take out Gyarados.
User avatar #58 to #56 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
Are you sure? That move is categorically weak based on my experience. It's never been enough to sacrifice a move slot for. Due to it's elemental nature and low base damage?
User avatar #60 to #58 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Base 75 ain't too shabby. It's not good, but it's not bad either.

It depends on what Pokemon who use it. Alakazam, for instance, can't use that move for **** (unless we're talking Gen 2 and Gen 3) due to his terrible attack.. Whereas a decently strong Pokemon such as Infernape would easily knock it out.
User avatar #61 to #60 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
Hmm.. I dunno, I've used that move so many times and it always falls short.
User avatar #62 to #61 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Believe me, I'm a competitive battler. I know this kinda stuff.

And Gyarados can only take Thundershock.
User avatar #64 to #62 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
I guess I don't use your type of pokemon, I do know that Gyarados is pretty speedy and has enough moves to counteract a hell of a lot.
User avatar #66 to #64 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Gyarados is one of the slower mons. His benefit is in the move Dragon Dance, which increases his Speed and Attack, and his respectable bulk. His abilities Moxie and Intimidate are also very useful.
User avatar #68 to #66 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
User avatar #70 to #68 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
The one thing Gyarados lacks is a good Flying type STAB, as Bounce (his best option) is very unreliable.
User avatar #71 to #70 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
What about Arial Ace?
User avatar #72 to #71 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Gyarados can't learn it, and it's pretty damn weak. The only Pokemon that are allowed to use Aerial Ace is Delibird and Scyther.
#78 to #72 - needmesomebacon (06/30/2013) [-]
My Butterfree uses Arial Ace... You got a problem with that?
User avatar #79 to #78 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
#81 to #79 - needmesomebacon (06/30/2013) [-]
Well she'll be feeding on your dreams then.

Also how come only those two are allowed to use Arial Ace, a lot of Pokémon can learn it? Is it a tournament thing?
User avatar #82 to #81 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
It's just that Aerial Ace is a subpar move. All Pokemon who can learn it has access to much better moves. Delibird has the ability Hustle, which increases the attack power on all physical moves in trade for accuracy, and Aerial Ace can tke advantage of the attack power without losing out on the accuracy. Delibird is still **** , and should never be used.

Scyther has the ability Technician, which boosts the power of all moves with 60 basepower or less, and after Technician as well as STAB, we have a base 135 Attack in Aerial Ace; over double the power. Scyther is a much more viable option than Delibird.
User avatar #85 to #82 - needmesomebacon (06/30/2013) [-]
Huh, that's actually pretty smart, well done.
User avatar #86 to #85 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
#114 to #86 - anonymous (06/30/2013) [-]
Scizor aerial ace is common now. I'll never, for the ******* life of me, understand why. Volcarona seems to really scare people. I can't think of a single other poke it would he useful against. Lol.
User avatar #127 to #114 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Nonononono. 5/6 out of my team is outsped by a Breloom, and I really do not enjoy leading off with my sweepers. This usually means that people find it safe to lead with Breloom, as when you look at my team it looks more or less like a Hazards+MoxieOutrage team. It is easily exploitable, especially considering how they end up rendering one part of the team useless from t1.

As for switching Mence in later, I have no problems with that. I just don't like leading off with him.

As I said, the team consists of Standard Physically Defensive Hippo, TSpikes Tentacruel, SpeDef Jellicent, Rocky Helmet Ferro, Choice Scarf Scizor and SpecialMence. The team is awfully slow by a simple look, having only one Pokemon at 100 basespeed. Breloom's 70 Basespeed is higher than the entire team, and unless someone expects a max speed Tentacruel, then they are usually safe leading with Loom.
User avatar #124 to #114 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
No, it's not. Specs and E-belt everywhere. The occasional Scarf Latios pops up, but it's nowhere as much used as the Specs and E-belt sets.
Breloom is a fine lead against a team with a Ferro, a Hippo, a Jellicent, a Scizor and a Tentacruel. A Spore can **** over that, easily.

I'm only running it because I want to. I know it's bad.

Reveals that my team doesn't have a single Pokemon faster than 370, which many players can exploit. This team isn't offensively oriented.
#125 to #124 - anonymous (06/30/2013) [-]
You are assuming far too much. You think by switching a mence in, they will somehow decide that your entire team is super slow? O.o I mean, even if Breloom out sped your mence or something, they would still never reach that conclusion. They would think "oh he has a slow mence, well, it still beats Breloom. Barring a stray stone edge, or what have you.
User avatar #119 to #114 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Breloom tends to lead for early Spore, and so it's simple to just eradicate it. And since I run a special Salamence on the team, I kinda don't want to reveal him very early.

Scarf Scizor deals with the Latis as well. The team I have it on is extremely weak to them if they have HP Fire, so I can both use it as a lure and be able to knock 'em out with the U-turn. You rarely see scarf variants of the Latis, so it's mostly a safe option.
#120 to #119 - anonymous (06/30/2013) [-]
First of all, Scarf latios is common as **** . Breloom leading early isn't a very good idea at all, unless it has Sash. Breloom is a late game sweeper, his Spore is for his sd set up. He's much to frail and slow to set up otherwise.

Second, special salamence? Can you share your pot? It must be fantastic. Special salamence has "slower and weaker latios, with a Sr weakness".

Third. Switching into a Breloom with mence and going fire Blast, is not revealing anything.
User avatar #115 to #114 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
I run Aerial Ace Scarf Scizor, now that you mention it.

Breloom is my reason.
#117 to #115 - anonymous (06/30/2013) [-]
Breloom? What the hell. Wouldn't a +2 lo mach Punch just Ohko a Scizor without bulk?

Seriously though.. All the pokemon that resist fighting and out speed Breloom... How in the hell did you end up with a Scizor..
User avatar #73 to #72 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]

whatever, maybe my memory is just fuzzy.
User avatar #63 to #62 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
As long as he has the Wacan Berry, of course.
User avatar #65 to #63 - infinitereaper ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
i haven't played in ages... if I ever do get back into though I'll have to breed a master race and transfer everything.
User avatar #67 to #65 - kyouko (06/30/2013) [-]
Just use pokemonshowdown for the competitive specter.
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