Effect of Feminism 6. .. Also how come when a woman wins a divorce case for a kid you pay alimony no matter your income, but when a man wins it's you your on your own now. Effect of Feminism 6 Also how come when a woman wins divorce case for kid you pay alimony no matter your income but man it's on own now
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User avatar #11 - originalanonymous
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Also how come when a woman wins a divorce case for a kid you pay alimony no matter your income, but when a man wins it's **** you your on your own now.
#13 to #11 - anon id: c9c3840a
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Women have to pay alimony, too.
#48 to #11 - anon id: 606aba3e
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there's plenty of examples where women have to pay off men, I can only really think
of famous ones but there's J-Lo, Katie Price and Madonna too.
#345 to #48 - fractalius
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My best friend as a kid has his mom pay almony cause his parents we're both firefighters, but his mom was the captain and kept the house.

Although they divorced on pretty good terms, and she was fine with paying the alimony. Once he didn't need it anymore, he told her she didn't need to keep paying it

I even think at the beginning she gave him extra to help him out
#91 to #11 - anon id: 5e1ddf4d
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Because bitches are lazy...
#149 to #11 - anon id: 5140b1a5
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Woman are usually favored in these cases due to some still getting paid less then men. So the court and most of society still see men as the bread winners. Plus it all depends on who has a better income as well, and if that person helped their spouse out of the gutter or if they were both even. If they get a divorce and she was poor beforehand and when she was married she lived a good lifestyle, then the court will take more money from him or vice versa.
#242 to #149 - anon id: 822bff95
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Haha don't you see that's the problem feminists have been fighting? They want to get paid more. If that happened, they would be less favored in court, solving your dilemmas too. But ****, they don't deserve an equal pay, they don't work because I believe women should stay in the kitchen. Wait, it goes in a circle again.
#288 to #11 - anon id: 822bff95
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Honestly, I'm surprised that this is Funnyjunk's number one and only complain against feminism really. That they get ****** over by divorce. How many of you are actually married or are going to be?
#295 to #288 - anon id: 822bff95
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Please do give me a better "argument" for why feminism and its fights don't really matter anymore other than "divorce sucks for men", "rich women are privileged", "why dont they call themselves equalists, it would completely change their views", "radical feminists exist" and "radical feminists were mean to me once."
User avatar #202 to #11 - whatsgoodyo
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I'm seriously doubting you have ever personally been in a divorce if you're on Funnyjunk, so let me explain it to you. In the event of a divorce, whoever has the higher income has to support the person who cannot support themselves. If the woman was making 6 figures and the dad didn't work, she'd have to pay for him. While I will agree that feminism is very ass-backwards at times, stop spouting out random feminist hate ******** that isn't even true.
User avatar #41 - I Am Monkey
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I literally just had to transfer out of my college over this ********. I didn't realize how "progressive" it was until I got there and after 4 semesters of mandatory "diversity" credits I had to throw in the towel. The last straw was this feminism course (mandatory) in which the teacher was a self proclaimed "radical Marxist feminist", gay, self-hating white man who spent the entire semester speaking of how the only way to right the wrongs of the dreaded "patriarchy" is to start a revolution and erase all genders; creating a socialist society in which no gender exists. I **** you not.

The apex of he faggotry was after spending the entire year talking about the evils of "the white male" in the western world. We reached the unit on the Middle East, which I assumed would be about how women are treated as property, forbidden from learning and generally treated like ****. To me amazement, their conclusion was that we, as westerners are arrogant for not understanding their "rich culture" and that we have no right to pass judgement on the stoning of rape victims. This coming from the same class that calls our own culture "male dominated".
#261 to #41 - aronorth
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you are extremely ignorant of what actually goes on in the middle east.
Protip: your media nitpicks and *********.
User avatar #262 to #261 - I Am Monkey
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Number of rape victims publicly killed in the entire western world: 0
Number of rape victims publicly killed in the Middle East this morning: More than 0
User avatar #423 to #261 - weenieandthebutt
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I'm Egyptian and as a Middle Eastern, I can confirm how ****** up their nations are so shut the **** up!
User avatar #359 to #261 - oceanfrank
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My Afghani foreign exchange friend was telling a story at a party at my Uni about how this one girl was raped at 13 which made her a non virgin. Her soon to be husband found out and they had her stoned but she didn't die surprisingly. She's supposedly still in jail but he never got to see her again.

Point is, we're not exaggerating. It's ****** up in the Middle East
User avatar #435 to #359 - pheonixrevolver
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what your talking about are the extremist in the middle east, i come from the middle east and i tell you that in my country no such thing as stoning a rape victim exist.

1. In the middle east if you have sex before marriage you get whipped 70 times, and thats having sex not getting raped, so i doubt that being raped will require more severe punishment.
2. Even the whipping part doesn't take place anymore (in most places).
3. If you have heard stories of such victims getting stoned i assure you they where extremists and in my country doing such a thing will probably put you in jail for life.
4. If you are non Muslim its illegal for you to be whipped. (the whipping thing is religious).
5. You are taking one of the worst cases and presenting it as a common thing in the middle east, I assure you it is not.

I am not telling you that your story is wrong, im just saying that if it is true its rare and probably exaggerated.

The middle east is not ****** up, however the stories you hear are.
User avatar #457 to #435 - oceanfrank
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yeah maybe it is a bit overexaggerated. I dont know tho, ever since reading the kite runner i've had a really weird opinion on **** in the middle east. then again the stuff in that book happened 20 years ago.
User avatar #401 to #41 - polonius
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I'd love to take this course. No genders ? Sure, we just need some straight up damn equality, none of those ******** hidden social norms. If i rape my most hated adversary, he/she gets stoned. (**** yea !)
White people ? **** that ****, its there fault capitalism and greed exists, make em all slaves.
I just don't agree with the whole male dominated BS. Men are clearly not allowed to fight women in a fair fight.
#418 to #401 - antimo
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I wish it was possible to downvote you more than once
User avatar #60 to #41 - neoexdeath
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Someone seriously needs to go all Chanology on **** like this.
User avatar #130 to #41 - spartusee
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Couldn't you tell the board of ed or some one?
#270 to #41 - anon id: 3db616a8
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That was one of my problems with my sociology class, even though it was a great class, and not TOO radical. But we spent a TON of time talking about the horrible racism and sexism in the US(which DO still exist.), but then we spent a bunch of time talking about how we can't possibly judge the people in other countries for THEIR practices, like bride kidnapping, because that is THEIR culture. Call me stupid, but I think that the "Do unto others" rule is universal human instinct. Just because some people rationalize it into being ok doesn't make it so.
User avatar #428 to #270 - finni
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The belief they follow is called cultural relativism. It's quite stupid. It is a nice thought, every culture is equal on moral grounds, but it's stupid and very naive to think so.

I go the political incorrect way. I judge ethnocentric, which means I use my own culture as moral ground to judge other cultures. "Oh you stone women to death? Well by my culture that's wrong and I don't approve. That's bad!" Yes, I'm saying that my culture taught me to act and behave differently. Right and wrong it is called, and I say that what you're doing is WRONG!

Liberals gets their butthurt? Sue me.
#315 to #41 - bariummanisback
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Damn it! I lost faith in mankind. AGAIN!
Damn it! I lost faith in mankind. AGAIN!
User avatar #479 to #315 - polonius
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Your not very intuitive are you ?
#480 to #479 - bariummanisback
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That comment is 2 and a half years old
#420 to #41 - slikmonkey
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User avatar #422 to #41 - finni
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I know that feel. That's why I myself am a National Conservative and will vote for such parties here in Europe.

It's sad that the schools and education have been taken over by Socialistic Marxists who always ask "Who are we to say that's right or wrong". I know there also are right-wing people who are stupid teachers, but to be honest, I've never met a single one where I live.
User avatar #438 to #41 - garymotherfingoak
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did you at least tell him off before you left?
#124 to #41 - kirbizzle
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lol mandatory diversity classes, **** your college, we dont have anything like that at my uni
User avatar #188 to #41 - marcalo
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Well, ****.... What college was that?
User avatar #425 to #41 - weenieandthebutt
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The only thing worse than a feminist is a male feminist. God ******* dammit how I feel lucky to be a science student so I wouldn't have to put up with any of this psuedo-liberal propaganda ********!
#454 to #41 - takaneuva
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I swear i'm going to find that professor
User avatar #54 to #41 - GnRNoD
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See I'm the kind of person that in situations like this (when I know I am not going to be heard) I'd just write up a 20 page work on why this class doesn't make sense, I'd make copies for all the students and hand them out outside of the class, enter the class ask the teachers permission to explain my work (say a tl;dr version of it) and then proceed to give them three options one (and my choice) dismissing that class, two changing the class into something that makes sense or three allowing me not to attend that class as it obviously goes against my non spiritual beliefs (and start a ********* if they say something about "non spiritual beliefs")
#81 to #54 - anon id: 6f3c2032
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You must be fun at parties.
User avatar #138 to #81 - rieskimo
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He is, this one time we were at this kegger and I saw him do a front flip into a keg stand that when he dismounted he took a shot and then won a beer pong match by himself.
User avatar #123 to #81 - GnRNoD
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I am actually, been told I'm a "bad influence but a ton of fun".
#49 to #41 - fordun
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#244 to #92 - anon id: ed1a8141
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Yeah, but only against white women in America. Those black bitches getting their cunts chopped up can take the back seat, we've got America's Next Top Model to protest against.
#127 - soronbe
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I believe all feminists are so butthurt and stuck up, because they don't have a guy in their life (or he isn't there anymore) that can, wants and knows how to give her a good pounding   
or they are women, who got hurt by a guy, and couldn't accept it and couldn't move on with life, so that they went complete bananas in their mind
I believe all feminists are so butthurt and stuck up, because they don't have a guy in their life (or he isn't there anymore) that can, wants and knows how to give her a good pounding
or they are women, who got hurt by a guy, and couldn't accept it and couldn't move on with life, so that they went complete bananas in their mind
User avatar #337 to #127 - wardylocks
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I've had a boyfriend for 3 years, I'm a feminist; and I'm all for equality whether its race, sex or sexual orientation
#268 to #127 - anon id: a87e8f27
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Could I say all women-hating men are really just assholes, so butthurt over the fact that no woman will give them the time of day to have sex with them?
#277 to #268 - anon id: 54d0bfa2
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Yeah, actually.
#338 to #127 - anon id: 103f87e5
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"all feminists are so butthurt and stuck up"
you do realize the problem with making absolute generalized statements, right?
#411 to #338 - anon id: 822bff95
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I would agree with you but MRAS give **** about actual male concerns over just ******** all over feminism. Some generalized statements are more accurate than others.
#414 to #127 - anon id: 822bff95
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You totally get women dude. Feminism exists because women rely on male opinions. Yup, solved that mystery.
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At least they won't get beat by their lovers.
#12 - anon id: c9c3840a
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Dear lord I'm getting ******* sick of this feminism fad.

we get it. FJ thinks girls bad. boys good. Girls should just accept everything that happening to them and give into the almighty male race. I'm not even a person pushing for womens right, but this place is starting to make me want to join the feminazi's just to piss off the people who keep reposting this watered down ********.
User avatar #52 to #12 - sefyu
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found the feminist
#14 to #12 - teranin [OP]
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Antifeminism is not antiwomen. I am not against women, I want them to be treated equally under the law. I am against the ideology known as feminism, which promotes misandry and female superiority under the guise of equality.
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google the definition of feminism and note the word "equality". Feminism can be seen a bit like the muslim religion. A small minority misuse it's standings and beliefs which results in the stereotype for the entire religion. Feminism is the same, very small bitchy, whiney anti-men minority shaming the majority who stand for acceptable, decent concepts.
#75 to #50 - anon id: c25ad501
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The when are the majority going to give men equal rights in the divorce courts?
Because the majority hate men.
#348 to #75 - anon id: 103f87e5
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>says the majority hate men
>has no evidence to prove it
#44 to #14 - mrcinnamon
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#27 to #14 - anon id: 150ae3b8
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I don't think you've actually read about feminism if you want to label a whole branch of ideologies after what the MRA thinks feminists are.
User avatar #29 to #27 - teranin [OP]
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I took a women's studies course in college. It taught me what I needed to know about feminist theory. I took it because of an interest in the social ramifications of sexual dimorphism, my major was microbiology, and it was either a huge mistake, or a great boon because I know the true face of sexism whether I like it or not.
#20 to #14 - anon id: c9c3840a
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but it doesn't. Feminism is the movement to level the playing field. Women are paid less than men, less likely to get higher paying jobs, and are still subjected to a lot of sexism in the workplace. The same way that anti-feminism isn't anti women is feminism doesn't mean anti man. Yes, there are man haters. But there are woman haters, too.

Feminazi's are to feminism as West Borough Baptist church is to christians.And it's really ******* annoying to deal with these goddamn posts about tipped scales.

Men who don't father the children don't have to pay, by the way.
#26 to #20 - uchimate
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Womens Rights Activists try to level the playing field.
Feminists try to shirt the odds in their favour.
#350 to #26 - anon id: 103f87e5
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that's what you THINK feminism is. that's what angry FunnyJunk members have told you feminism is.
that isn't what it actually is, though.
a simple google search would show you that.
#451 to #350 - uchimate
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No... Thats how I've felt about it long even discovering funnyjunk...
I honestly feel the majority of feminists are trying to punish men, rather than just try to achieve equallity
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And just like that you ruined my day.
#22 to #20 - anon id: 12614478
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The reason women is paid less is because they don't take as high education as men and therefore qualify less. Women also choose lesser paying, but safer jobs in general. Safer as in employed by the state, who pay less, but pretty much don't go bankrupt. How is laws such as "50% women in the business sector" equality? If 8 out of 10 men qualify better than women, why should the employer only employ women to fill the quota?
#351 to #22 - anon id: 103f87e5
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more women graduate from higher education than men, you idiot.
User avatar #36 - deliciousjoecocker
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It's bad parenting to not raise children, regardless of gender.
Pro-choice is choosing to abort the fetus. If they called it pro-abortion, people would flip out. Pro-choice sounds nicer. I support it
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Pro-abortion would be supporting the abortion of every fetus ever.

Pro-choice means CHOICE, as in the woman (ideally should be parents, but men are never involved in this decision) can choose to do whatever the **** she wants with the fetus.
#407 to #40 - onceapiece
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I'm pro-abortion then
User avatar #43 to #40 - highhopes
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And why shouldn't she? It's her body.
#142 to #43 - yologdog
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I have a cousin who cries himself to sleep over a child that he lost recently because of "It's her body."   
   
They were starting to split up when she got pregnent. For the first half week he was against it, they were constantly arguing and fighting about keeping the child. But then he got emotionally attached to the concept, as he was always quick to do. He started planning, buying clothes, bought a crib, within a damn week he had a fulltime job at comcast. (still won't tell me how he managed that within a week.)   
Anyway, last week came, she broke up with him for some bitch reason I can't remember and immediatly aborted the baby. And I swear to this day the whole thing was a plot from the getgo to wreck him. Because He never got a "sorry" or even an "oops, my bad" all he got was "It's my body, It's my choice"   
That's the only answer he ever got, no matter how many times he asked or begged or pleaded, all he ever got was "It's my body, It's my choice" in a mocking tone.    
   
I won't, for a second believe that it's only the womans choice. because that sets men aside as if we aren't capable of caring for a child's future. As if we don't give a **** about the child at all. "It's her body, it's her choice" Is the most selfish thing I have ever heard.   
   
If there is another parent in the picture willing to be and will be there for the child then it should be the Parents choice. It takes two to tango.
I have a cousin who cries himself to sleep over a child that he lost recently because of "It's her body."

They were starting to split up when she got pregnent. For the first half week he was against it, they were constantly arguing and fighting about keeping the child. But then he got emotionally attached to the concept, as he was always quick to do. He started planning, buying clothes, bought a crib, within a damn week he had a fulltime job at comcast. (still won't tell me how he managed that within a week.)
Anyway, last week came, she broke up with him for some bitch reason I can't remember and immediatly aborted the baby. And I swear to this day the whole thing was a plot from the getgo to wreck him. Because He never got a "sorry" or even an "oops, my bad" all he got was "It's my body, It's my choice"
That's the only answer he ever got, no matter how many times he asked or begged or pleaded, all he ever got was "It's my body, It's my choice" in a mocking tone.

I won't, for a second believe that it's only the womans choice. because that sets men aside as if we aren't capable of caring for a child's future. As if we don't give a **** about the child at all. "It's her body, it's her choice" Is the most selfish thing I have ever heard.

If there is another parent in the picture willing to be and will be there for the child then it should be the Parents choice. It takes two to tango.
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#427 to #142 - Bobtheblob
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I had an argument with a feminist over this. She ended up calling me a male-loving pig, that they have no choice in it, and proceeded to get a **** ton of other feminists to rage at me.
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I am truly sorry to hear that. I wish your cousin all the best, and hope he manages to find it in his heart to move on.

I'm not normally one for blind hate, but damn if this doesn't fill me with rage. I hope that woman becomes sterile. I hope that she has nightmares about the child every single day and her waking hours are filled with guilt over what she did to your cousin. I hope that she hears the soft cry of a baby at night coming from all around her. I hope that, broken and despondent, when she reaches out and cries about how bad she's feeling and how she can make it better, she is met with one reply.

'It was your body. It was your choice.'

End of rant.


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I just know that if that was me, I would have taken the abortion. But I would also have taken it straight away. I've got my career to think about.

But also, I would never have "mocked" the other person in any way, because that's just evil. Then again, it IS his side of the story?
User avatar #449 to #447 - yologdog
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Yeah, it's what he told me. Or at least what I understood, he was crying really hard when he told me (it had just happened at the time.)

But she was always a bitch so I wouldn't put it past her to **** him up as a goodbye gift.
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Aw, I feel really sorry for your friend, it sounds heart breaking.
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Technically, being another human inside of her, with the only real attachment a cord to her stomach, it's an entirely different object that could survive on its own if taken out and put into a nutrient chamber.
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That depends how old it is.
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I met my new lesbian co-workers feminist girl(i use the word girl loosely)-friend for the first time last week, and she decided to include me in what seemed to be a mandatory "I am a feminist so you are obliged to listen to my rant" conversation.   
   
The whole "we don't belong in the kitchen!", "we are not sex objects" **** she was spouting i could agree with, you shouldn't stereotype someone.   
   
But then she go's and says "and that's why i hate ALL men, you are all the same", and completely contradicts herself.   
   
MFW i pointed out that, for a bunch of people who band together to promote gender equality, equal rights, and sexism, that the majority of Feminists seem pretty sexist themselves.   
   
She got so ******* angry i swear i could hear her facial hair screaming.
I met my new lesbian co-workers feminist girl(i use the word girl loosely)-friend for the first time last week, and she decided to include me in what seemed to be a mandatory "I am a feminist so you are obliged to listen to my rant" conversation.

The whole "we don't belong in the kitchen!", "we are not sex objects" **** she was spouting i could agree with, you shouldn't stereotype someone.

But then she go's and says "and that's why i hate ALL men, you are all the same", and completely contradicts herself.

MFW i pointed out that, for a bunch of people who band together to promote gender equality, equal rights, and sexism, that the majority of Feminists seem pretty sexist themselves.

She got so ******* angry i swear i could hear her facial hair screaming.
#395 to #93 - maxsexington
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has one pissed off monkey
User avatar #94 to #93 - sausageskin
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*against sexism, not promote i mean.
#319 to #93 - potrsr
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''we dont belong in the kitchen, go make your own sandwich. '' (at least once a week i hear her yelling that)

hunny, can you change the tire on the car?

the neighbor lost his **** when his wife ask him that. Here's what followed
W-wife, H, husband
W: why are you so angry? i just asked you to do something
H:I have to put up with your **** if i ask you to make me a sandwich and you call me sexist and **** like that! I ask you becaouse you make ******* best sandwiches i had ever had and you are good at it! All you say how stereotypical i sounda about that but now you are asuming i can change a tier! no **** you! go do it yourself! And im keeping the baby and YOU WILL PAY CHILD SUPPORT! Also, the fish is mine!

After that , he went out and said: I AM FREE! FREE!!! FREE! And he called a friend for a beer!

ofc they argued about it when he came back for 2 hours but non the less, he won, he has the child, bitch is staying god knows where, kept the flat and he is happier as ever also he bough lots of new fish
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I don't believe that life begins at conception, nor do many many people (women AND men). Therefore, being pro-choice is not being a bad parent, because you are not a parent to begin with when you have an abortion. The thing you abort is not considered alive medically.
I don't believe that life begins at conception, nor do many many people (women AND men). Therefore, being pro-choice is not being a bad parent, because you are not a parent to begin with when you have an abortion. The thing you abort is not considered alive medically.
#363 to #39 - unusualrex
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>I don't believe that life begins at conception, nor do many many people (women AND men).
>I don't believe that life begins at conception
>nor do many many people (women AND men).

These people are known as idiots.

>The thing you abort is not considered alive medically.

Clearly you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking of.
User avatar #452 to #363 - awildniglet
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Please, tell me why I'm an idiot. Because just telling me so without any proof why makes you sound like the ******* moron
#463 to #452 - unusualrex
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Umm... it's rather obvious it's alive. You're an idiot if you think it's not. Even single celled organisms are alive.

www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

There's some info for you. It is alive. Many pro-choice supporters even recognize this.
User avatar #465 to #463 - awildniglet
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Way to post a week later when this picture is no longer relevant. It's not considered to be an alive human being. You know what I meant, don't twist my words around to make yourself look like any less of an ass.
#58 to #39 - anon id: 9ffcc444
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Well, yes it is i believe.
I too believe that it's really up to you wether you want an abortion or not, but i do beleive that in the US, life starts at fetus-stage? Please do educate me if i'm wrong.
#103 to #58 - anon id: ec8ece3f
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You're wrong
User avatar #165 to #58 - awildniglet
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You're wrong. It's state dependent, and most states allow abortion. So no, the US does not believe that as a whole
User avatar #191 to #165 - tealcanaan
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It is state dependent, but the supreme court is very explicit in their terms for abortions that are very much universal in the laws they overturned and let pass.
-Can't be after first trimester
-A state cane have the women get the consent of her husband if married
-State can't make all abortion illegal within the first trimester
#283 to #191 - anon id: 41199855
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Not true. You can get an abortion up to about 22 weeks which is in the SECOND trimester. And no consent is needed, though morally it should be considered. Abortions can also be performed at later dates depending on the mother's health. I am pro choice though never see myself getting an abortion (I am pregnant with my second right now) Especially because, by the time you hit about 19 weeks, the little thing kicks and I couldn't imagine getting rid of something that is so obviously full of life. It is the woman's body. Both are responsible for the unprotected sex no matter what. He knew as well as she what would happen if the little sperm reached the little egg and they both went ahead with it anyway. IF the woman was against abortions on the whole and the man wasn't, that does not mean no child support. Still his fault. As someone cleverly wrote above, "when I put my quarter in the gumball machine, is it my gumball or the machines?"
#61 to #39 - anon id: 3934c262
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No but my brother was consider to be what you call not alive nor was his twin one died the other didn't the one that didn't as e weaker twin I would argue that it not that simple or maybe he was the 0.1 the exception tbh he's lucky to be alive so was my mum but funny thing is my mum is pro coice as all of us while expat ions .ike brother does happen he was born three month early in 87 the same year I was born he was predicted to be born 8 of march I w born 13 of march he was born 22 of December so it does happen but th chance of them living is really ageist him
User avatar #163 to #61 - awildniglet
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1. Please learn to use punctuation
2. I'm talking about at the time of abortion, which is usually the first trimester. The doctor wouldn't even have been able to predict how weak your brother would or wouldn't be that that point. It's my belief about being pro-choice, there's nothing wrong with you believing otherwise
User avatar #110 to #39 - stcronin
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I mean scientifically it is alive when just a cell or sperm, it is only fully human I guess you would say when the egg is fertilized, because at that point you have a human cell with a full chromosome that starts developing.

If the cells were never alive then we couldn't reproduce.
#267 to #110 - anon id: 3015ff04
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And a piece of skin on my finger has tons of living human cells. Does that mean it's morally wrong to cut off a piece of my skin?
#464 to #267 - unusualrex
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That is one of the many deluded beliefs the "pro-choicers" like to spew.

Explain to me how skin cells are related to a zygote, embryo, or fetus. A zygote is a distinct set of DNA separate from the mother or father. Skin cells contain existing DNA. A zygote also pertains to the viability of our species because it is a distinct individual. Skin cells do not.

These are the fundamental differences between "a blob of cells" and a human zygote.

If you were to seriously ask a biologist or embryologist they'd laugh in your face.
User avatar #316 to #267 - Ruspanic
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A piece of skin is not a distinct organism.
User avatar #455 to #316 - stcronin
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It isn't skin either it is stem cells mitotically dividing eventually forming tissues and the organs we have in a blastula I guess you would call it
User avatar #431 to #316 - Relinies
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The point is still valid. The cells may not be able to live disconnected from your body, but they are all living.
Just as much living as a lonely bacterium is, except the bacterium can fend for itself.
User avatar #111 to #110 - stcronin
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egg cell* chromosome set* I'm sorry for all of my typos
User avatar #158 to #111 - awildniglet
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Medically is different than scientifically. It's not medically alive because doctor's would not perform the abortion during the third trimester, where it is alive enough to be considered a baby that could be born
A lot of things are scientifically alive, but you wouldn't call them living beings necessarily
User avatar #160 to #158 - stcronin
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But that is still in debate, that is why it is such an issue. They just settled where it is now because it is most acceptable there
User avatar #166 to #160 - awildniglet
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That's true. I just happen to believe that. Maybe I should have clarified that I didn't think it was a fact per say, just what I chose to think haha
User avatar #167 to #166 - stcronin
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Ahh okay thank you. That did help clarify your point.
#236 - sinclairr
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I have pro choice for abortion, but once a child is born, no matter your gender in the family, if you leave the kid you're an asshat.
User avatar #249 to #236 - whyfalsewhy
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The argument isn't that the child is born then aborted, its the fact that the woman gets the choice before the child is born, the man should get the same choice even if the woman wants to keep the child, sort of like adoption works, the man would not get to see the child and have nothing to do with it unless the child wills it after it reaches the age of 18.


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He does have a choice in the abortion. It is called telling her to wait while he puts on a condom.
User avatar #298 to #293 - thepandaking
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and you do realize how hard it is to make intelligent decisions with a vagina in front of your throbbing erection, right? So many people have been tricked into being a father, or become a father through lack of foresight because in that moment hardly any intelligence or foresight can be had. ******* testosterone.
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unreasonable lack of self-control is now a legally binding excuse.

k.
User avatar #347 to #340 - thepandaking
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are you a woman? or a virgin? You cannot base your argument on a moment when a man actually does have no self control. Testosterone actually does mess with your head, no man is fully his usual reasonable self when in the situation of sex. If you think that makes him a piece of ****, then I'm afraid you have much to learn.
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You do realize that the condom isnt 100% fool proof condoms can break.
#151 - oslikriko
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I am pro life. My anus is prepared for your long hard red thumbs.
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User avatar #185 to #151 - tkfourtwoone
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Just don't impose your view unto others and we're A-Okay
User avatar #196 to #185 - tealcanaan
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But if he believes that you are killing another human being, wouldn't it be morally objectionable for him to not to try to stop someone from doing it?
User avatar #212 to #196 - zanea
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That actually depends on the cultural context in which the event takes place. Infanticide is quite common around the world. If they cant take care of a child, better to end it before it suffers. Such actions are not frowned upon by their peers as it is simply a part of life. There is no sense bringing an unwanted child into an over populated world. It sounds cold but its logical.
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I know, but it just seems very wrong to me, the very idea makes me kind of sick.
User avatar #217 to #214 - zanea
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No one "likes" the idea of it, but sometimes its necessary. We manage the populations of animals all the time, even by inducing abortions. We are animals too, so the same logic applies to an extent.
User avatar #221 to #217 - tealcanaan
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Yes, but we have the capabilities for birth control options that are considerably cheaper and highly effective, with this in mind i see infanticide and abortion as barbaric solutions unless the mother is in severe risk due to the pregnancy.
User avatar #326 to #217 - Ruspanic
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Humans' capacity for higher brain function and greater awareness is what makes our right to life more important than those of animals. It's more wrong to kill a human than a dog, just as it's more wrong to kill a dog than a fly.
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Consider the following; dogs and cats have a higher brain functioning and awareness than a newborn baby, let alone a fetus.

And consider this; the only reason that we care about killing things is just because of their level of consciousness/conscientiousness/sentience/awareness. But that doesn't on itself, determine morality of the killing. I.e., just because something is more aware or more able to understand that you are killing it doesn't mean that killing it is any less wrong.
User avatar #453 to #446 - Ruspanic
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Your first point is interesting - though of course, cats and dogs do not have higher brain functioning than humans at equivalent stages of development. I think potential for further development should play a role, at least after a certain developmental milestone has been reached.

And I think I disagree with your second point, though I would think mostly in terms of species (i.e. human rights apply to all humans, regardless of mental capacity). Natural rights are really categorizations of natural autonomy, the ability to make decisions about one's own existence and condition. Dogs are less able to do this than humans; in a sense, they have less free will and are driven to act much more by instincts and animalistic drives than by conscious, rational choices. And even more basic organisms such as bacteria have no conscious thought at all, simply reacting to stimuli.

When I speak of awareness I do not mean the awareness of being killed, but rather the awareness of life itself. The ability to experience life makes it more valuable.
User avatar #322 to #212 - Ruspanic
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We don't put humans out of their misery in the way we do animals. Infanticide (forget abortion) is wrong regardless of the cultural context, because it deprives the child of the right to decide its own fate - that's what is meant by "right to life".
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That's like trying to save cum being ejaculated, silly goose.
User avatar #211 to #209 - tealcanaan
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That's like saying a normal menstruation is the equivalent of an abortion, they are completely different, they are not fertilized or viable for life...
User avatar #417 to #185 - finni
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So what you're saying is "You can believe what you want, but you're not allowed to convince others to accept his view"?

I'm pro-choice, but I'm not one of those over active mega pro-choice people. I don't like abortion and I wish that every woman would keep her child if she could support it and even if she couldn't, perhaps set it for adoption, but I won't take the other option away from her. It's her choice, all I ask is that she spends time thinking about what she choice she takes.
User avatar #458 to #417 - tkfourtwoone
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"I don't like abortion and I wish that every woman would keep her child"

Are you male, by any chance? If yes, then please shut the bloody hell up, you're only being a part of the problem.
User avatar #460 to #458 - finni
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My opinion stands where it stands.

Here is what I think simple and plain:
The woman has the final word if she wants to abort the child or not.
The woman should always be allowed to abort before the 12th week.
She should try to see if there other options than abortion.
She should always discus it with the father (if possible) before she does it.

And I would be very happy if you answered my question as it was not meant to address you aggressively by any chance, just to be sure if I understood what you said right. You said "Just don't impose your view unto others..." which is why I wonder if you think that he shouldn't be allowed to spread his opinion or is it that you don't want his opinion to go into affect through law passing?
#232 to #151 - blokrokker
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Yeah? Well I'm pro-death. What do you have to say about that?
Yeah? Well I'm pro-death. What do you have to say about that?