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#12 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/18/2013) [-]
They were actually Stalinist leaders, the focused more on Stalin's interpretation of socialism than Karl Marx's. Also communism can't exist until all the workers in the world rise up against capitalism.
#75 to #12 - captainreposty (06/18/2013) [-]
Also, Communism can't exist with a government.
User avatar #59 to #12 - galacticboner (06/18/2013) [-]
Er... no?
Stalin ruled after Lenin and Mao hated him and his social-imperialism.
User avatar #15 to #12 - Ariath Uchiha (06/18/2013) [-]
Are you retarded? Karl Marx, Lenin and Trotsky are there. Karl Marx founded the idea of Communism. Lenin led the revolution and established a socialist state in the progression towards Communism. Stalin took over after Lenin died and changed a lot of things that none of the others would have agreed with, tyranny and all that. Trotsky was loyal to the principles of the revolution and Marx's ideas so Stalin had him exiled and then killed. Learn your Communism bro.
#47 to #15 - whatacrackinjoke (06/18/2013) [-]
Trotsky may have been loyal to the principles of the revolution but that's completely different to being loyal to Marx's ideas. For example, Lenin and Trotsky were both happy to skip a step of the dialectic - the country had only emerged from its feudal system - and force a "proletarian" revolution, despite the fact that even with the great spurt of the 1890s and some advances in industry, there wasn't a large enough proletariat to lead a successful revolution. The revolution came from the Bolsheviks who claimed they were acting on behalf of the workers - this is completely against Marx's ideas. In my opinion, the Mensheviks were more true to Marxism than the Bolsheviks were, even recognising that Russia just wasn't ready to become a communist society (although that's a bit off point).

In my opinion, I don't think communism (and when I say communism I mean in the Marxist sense, not Stalinism/Leninism/whatever people usually think of when thinking of communism) can be achieved through revolution, I think it would have to be through gradual changes within society. It isn't just about changing leadership, it's changing the very essence of society and what it means to be an individual. That doesn't happen overnight. (And that last paragraph was really unrelated to your comment lol. Sorry)
User avatar #65 to #47 - Ariath Uchiha (06/18/2013) [-]
Yes, you're entirely right but the point I make is refuting the idea that the men in the picture were Stalinist when they weren't. Lennin created what he called Vanguardism where a small group of elites lead the proletariat due to the fact that the proletariat were not developing a class conciousness as Marx predicted. The principle I was referring as to Trotsky's loyalty is the idea that Communism would only work if the revolution were global, whereas Stalin sought to achieve Communism in one state and leave it at that. The point you make at the end is a little askew as revolution and gradual social change aren't mutually exclusive, Marx in fact intended for both. The revolution was intended to overthrow the bourgeois but he did not intend instant Communism, he intended a move to a socialist state and a gradual move to Communism via a proletariat ruling party.
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