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#85 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
As much as I hate Feminazis and their 'all men are monsters waiting to crack' standpoint, this example is flawed.

This example only uses reported incidences of rape.
I'm a man, but if I was raped, in the penetrative sense, I wouldn't be so eager to report it.
User avatar #136 to #85 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
If people don't report it then they shouldn't be pissed off when no one takes them seriously because the numbers don't add up.
#165 to #136 - CIS White Male (06/13/2013) [-]
You don't understand how truly humiliating the whole experience is. It's sick and degrading in every sense as well as completely terrifying. I only told my doctor a few weeks later because I was scared I'd caught something and was in a lot of pain. It was the single most difficult thing I've done in my life, and the first time I really accepted that it happened. Three years later and I still can't really accept it and I haven't been able to have a relationship with anyone. Sorry for the paragraph, but it feels liberating posting as anon.
User avatar #170 to #165 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
Still, you should have reported it. Yeah, it's humiliating, I could only imagine. I was ****** with when I was like 4 but I don't remember it and the thought of it never bothered me. For that, I am thankful. But if you don't take it upon yourself to report it then what do you expect to be done about it? You think your tears are going to stop it? You think praying and begging is going to stop it? No. You know what just might? Reporting it and making sure the guy doesn't do it to someone else. This isn't a pitty party. No one cares about your suffering. You have to do it for yourself instead of rolling around like a cry baby. That goes for anything in life.
#177 to #170 - CIS White Male (06/13/2013) [-]
And you think I didn't feel guilty? I still hate myself for not reporting it, I feel guilt that it could have happened to someone else. I used to wonder why people didn't report it, but until you've been through something like that yourself you don't know how you'll act.
User avatar #179 to #177 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
And you should feel guilty for not reporting it. Now, you will never know the feeling of seeing that man/woman in court being charged and sentenced. Who knows, that could have helped your healing. Tell me this, is the guilt of knowing he's still out there and could have abused other people worse than the 'embarrassment' that you would have not sustained by reporting him? The best thing you can do now is tell others not to make the same mistake you did of not reporting it. You see? How can you defend those who can't make the decision to not report it after what you have been through and what you have felt?
#189 to #179 - CIS White Male (06/13/2013) [-]
I'm not defending my decision, it was wrong, but I'm trying to explain to you why people might act the way they do. Even if someone does manage to overcome those problems, there's still the huge culture of stupid women who falsely accuse people of it, as well as communities shunning people for reporting someone. It's not as simple as going to the police and telling someone.
User avatar #192 to #189 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
Instead of explaining why people don't report it you should be kicking them in the jaw and showing them what their fear and cowardice cause. There is a point where you have to stop hugging someone and start kicking them in the ass.
User avatar #191 to #189 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
So you're saying that your appearance to your community is more important than the fact that you just got raped? Then how big of a deal is being raped if you're still so vain to think, "Well, I really don't want Miss Whatshernamewhoidon'ttalkto to look at me wrong while I'm walking down the street"? People need to realize that by not reporting their rape is more effective at keeping it a problem than protesting is hindering it. People need to get their ******* priorities straight.
#193 to #191 - CIS White Male (06/13/2013) [-]
Or having bricks thrown through your windows? having your car damaged? people throwing dog **** over your garden fence? your younger siblings being bullied in school? This all happened to a girl a few streets over from me. You know nothing.
User avatar #194 to #193 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
Are you doing something about? Have you acted against the people harassing others? Were they really raped or was it falsely accused? What's the story? Do you even know the real story? I bet you don't. I bet you haven't done anything about it.
#328 to #194 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
You're treating a victim like a villain. Honestly, I've never seen someone so insensitive.

Of course reporting is the logic thing to do. But as humans, we aren't always logical. Instead of just stamping your feet and demanding that victims report rape, you really need to think about the reasons behind their choosing not to. I really don't buy into this "rape culture" thing but you have to admit that it is still somewhat of a taboo subject. I don't mean that in the sense that it's completely hushed and no-one ever talks about it, but maybe people don't treat it as seriously as they should.
User avatar #330 to #328 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
>people don't treat it as serious as they should
Yes, exactly. Rape victims should take it serious enough to report it.
#334 to #330 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
You think they don't take it seriously? You think they're going to go through that kind of pain and humiliation and then just laugh it off? Of course reporting it is useful but you're still ignoring the core issue - WHY they don't report it. You're just looking at the surface of the problem rather than the cause of it.
User avatar #338 to #334 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
They don't due to their own selfishness. They are letting someone willingly get away with a crime due to their fear of being looked down upon. That's cowardly. The rapist could go off and harm someone else just as bad because a victim didn't report it.
#342 to #338 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
That's just victim blaming. Someone suffers an attack that could no doubt hurt them both physically and psychologically, short term AND long term, and you're sitting there saying they're selfish because they were afraid to report it? What if they're not believed? What if their attacker finds out? What if they're ridiculed by their friends/families? What if they're afraid of trial, sitting there giving testimony? It's not selfish to be scared.
User avatar #352 to #342 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
Everyone is scared! They're not selfish because you're scared, they're selfish because they're cowards. What's crying in your room and rolling around in self pitty going to do? Not a goddamn thing, so get the **** out there, show a little courage, and try to do all that you can to try and get something done. If they don't then they are doing absolutely nothing to help themselves or anyone else. They are the worst type of people. They know the trauma, they know the pain, and still they do nothing to try and save another person from it. No, instead of being strong and trying to do something they let a rapist run free to cause others hurt.
#368 to #352 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
Jesus. The worst type of people? Worse than the rapists?

Yes they know the trauma, yes they know the pain and no-one's pretending that they would want that kind of pain inflicted on someone else. The point is that there's so many reasons they wouldn't want to report it. Imagine a person DOES report it. They point out a suspect. That suspect is brought in for questioning and of course they know who's reported it. What happens if they're not convicted? That victim has reported the crime and the rapist is still out there - knowing that they've been reported. And this IS relevant - I only did a quick search so it's not as recent/representative as it could be, but here's a site showing that 56% of REPORTED rapes in California go unsolved ( You need to login to view this link ). Just let that sink into your head. 56% of the cases that were reported are still unsolved. That's absolutely ridiculous. Think about how much trauma the victim went through - so they wouldn't be "selfish" - and their attacker is still out there. Those are figures that victims have to face, and why would they want to report a crime if they're not guranteed safety for themselves (or anyone else) afterwards?
User avatar #369 to #368 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
And it's still not worse than doing absolutely nothing. And yes, someone who sits idly by and lets someone get away with a crime is just as bad as the criminal themselves.
#371 to #369 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
It's worse for them. I can't believe how much you're disregarding the victims here.

And let me just make this clear. You are saying that the victim is as bad as the rapist? Someone who is raped, humiliated, hurt both physically and mentally, is as bad as the person that did that to them because they didn't say it happened? Like I said, I understand why reporting is important but you're actually saying they're as bad as their attackers? You're disgusting.
User avatar #383 to #371 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
At least those who step up and try to get someone persecuted are trying to do the right thing regardless of if they get away or not THEY TRIED.
Your not going to have enough blood for yourself if that bleeding heart of yours keeps pouring to those who don't need nor deserve it.
#522 to #383 - thecommittee (06/14/2013) [-]
You don't need to understand why someone wouldn't report a rape, or to agree with them. You need to understand that there is something going on that you are not getting. Personally, If i where raped(I am a guy by the way), could not conceive of a reason not to report it, but I get that some people have different views and that no matter what I will not understand them, but at the very least I can accept them.
#389 to #383 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
"Bleeding heart" yeah it's called empathising. Try it sometime instead of shaming the victims for acting like victims. I'm not expecting every victim of rape to sit in the corner of the room and cry for the rest of their life, but I can definitely see why they wouldn't want to report such a traumatic event. No-one's a coward for taking their time to deal with trauma, and no-one's a coward for being ashamed/unsure/afraid of something like that. I don't think they SHOULD have to feel humiliated or anything like that - it's purely the fault of the attacker - but the fact is that it happens, and that has to be dealt with before you can sit here and make it sound like the biggest problem with rape is that it's not reported.
User avatar #376 to #371 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
They are willing to let that criminal who did all of that to them go and harm someone else the same way. Yeah, they're pretty disgusting too.
#474 to #376 - CIS White Male (06/14/2013) [-]
Wow. Could you HONESTLY say that you would report it if it happened? You could relive the worst moment of your life for everybody to hear? Seriously? I call ******** .
#379 to #376 - whatacrackinjoke (06/14/2013) [-]
They didn't perform the act. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're not going to do it to anyone else either. They don't have personal control over the criminal. How many times do I need to say that they can report a criminal and the criminal still walks free? Are they still disgusting then? Because you've made it clear that their worth is based on the results of their actions.
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User avatar #246 to #194 - TheCynic (06/13/2013) [-]
It's not that easy. A lot of women blame themselves and go through a long period of self loathing. They feel like it was their fault. And even if they did report it, the entire court would be about whether or not she was "asking for it" and calling her a whore.

Unless you've been raped, it isn't something you judge.
#147 to #136 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
Witnessing the effects of rape on somebody first hand (as in: I personally knew somebody who was raped), rape can be hard to come to terms with.

Think about it; if somebody raped you, penetrated you against your will, would you want to report it?
Really?
Would you even want to face it by saying it out loud to yourself, let alone to a stranger?

Reporting rape is 100% the right way about dealing with it, or at least the first step, but it is not an easy step to make.
User avatar #152 to #147 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
No choice is easy. Yeah, its hard. But if you're going to preach and cheer about how no one recognizes rape culture and you didn't report your rape then you're a hypocritical tool.
#156 to #152 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
I agree with that.
If you believe in a cause (i.e. ending rape culture) then you need to step up.

No cause was ever one by people hoping really hard.
Even if this particular cause, in my eyes, is ******** .
User avatar #332 to #156 - osimonmagus (06/14/2013) [-]
I think it's funny that the same people who thumbed you up, thumbed me down, after you said you agreed. Sheeple.
User avatar #159 to #156 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
*won, easy mistake.
The thing is people are perfectly aware of rape. They just don't care.
#162 to #159 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
I don't think it's that people don't care.
I think it's more that there's not much more that people can do.
We're educated, rightly so, through all our lives that rape is a wicked act, that it should be reported, and that the victims are not to blame.
We charge people who commit these acts as a criminal, justifiably so, and we offer counselling and aid to the victims.
I personally cannot see much more that can be done about the problem without descending dangerously into fascist control machine territory.
User avatar #167 to #162 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
I just see it as women trying to stop something that, for the majority, men don't care about. They are like spoiled children. They expect to be taken seriously, they expect to be heard, and the expect everyone to follow them into a hive minded pseudo-intellectual society. When people look past them they get pissed off and as soon as that happens they start becoming hypocrites. Rape is terrible, yes, but no one is interested in it. If you ask me, there is more injustice with women being persecuted for rape than there is a problem with women actually being raped.
#176 to #167 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
Personal apathy does not translate into it not being an issue worth pursuing anymore.
Rape culture as an idea is stupid, unrealistic and just objectively wrong, and the people who are supporting it are over-reacting. This is justifiable if the supporter does happen to be a genuine victim of rape.

Rape is still a horrible crime however, and steps must still be made to prevent it and heal those that suffer for it.
Apathy about rape, about any crime, is worst than having an unpopular opinion about rape. Taking a side, intelligently, at least forces you to consider the issues.
Persecution of rape victims is indeed an awful crime, and I would agree that it is worse than the act itself, but that does not mean that rape in and of itself is unimportant.
User avatar #180 to #176 - osimonmagus (06/13/2013) [-]
I concur.
#157 to #156 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
*won, not one.

Good job brain.
User avatar #127 to #85 - Karibookiller (06/13/2013) [-]
You realize that if it's unreported, it didn't officially happen right? so technically, if it didn't officially happen, then why would any body decide to take any action when it comes to unreported rapes? You can't get the people in charge to do anything until you have real facts. As much as I wish we could just move forward on assumptions, we can't.
#132 to #127 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
Not Officially Happening =/= Not Actually Happening

Not being reported doesn't mean anything.
If anything; lack of reporting rape enforces the idea of 'rape culture', which I think is a load of crap by the way.
It implies that reporting rape is seen as a negative thing to do, which means that the majority condones it. Which we all, as logical people, know is a load of **** .
User avatar #94 to #85 - teranin ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
Yes, but since approximately 41% of reported rapes didn't actually happen, in order for one to achieve the 1 in 4 indicated by feminist theory, in just pittsburgh college there would have had to be 3700 actual rapes out of that population, plus approximately 41% on top of that to account for false rape claims.
#101 to #94 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
Where does that statistic come from?
User avatar #105 to #101 - teranin ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
to be fair it is a subjective statistic that varies greatly between studies, realistically studies bounce (when not massively biased or funded directly by feminist organizations) between 22% (Kelly et al study) and 41% (Jordan study, 2004)
#115 to #105 - headkicker (06/13/2013) [-]
I think it would be fairer to use an average between studies.
I know that rape has become wolf calling among numerous individuals, but I would hate to think that almost half of all reported rapes are false. It's despicable, and I don't believe that humanity is quite that grim.

Anyway, back to the original post;
I don't agree with Facebook's idea to remove the post from people's pages, but I don't believe that the post should be taken as 100% accurate.
It should be taken with a pinch of salt, if anything.
User avatar #118 to #115 - teranin ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
You're right, I should be saying something like "The average between non-biased studies falls somewhere around 30%"
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